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radiantm3 said:
Don't worry, us Americans tend to have the worst taste when it comes to cars. :p The only beautiful american cars are the Ford GT and the new Corvette.

I beg to differ. I think my 92 Buick LeSabre is one of the best looking cars of all time. As for American cars, I love most everything from about 1953-1959. I also think there are several good looking models today, especially from Chrysler.

Have a look-see at the Crossfire and tell me its ugly:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Startech-Chrysler-Crossfire-Roadster-FA-1600x1200.jpg

The 1958 Impala is pure design genius:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1950-1959/1958-Chevrolet-Impala-Convertible-Aqua-po.htm

The 1992 LeSabre:

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1992-99-Buick-LeSabre-94121281990402.JPG

Sure, the late 70s/early 80s were AWFUL for almost all car companies, but things have improved greatly.
 
spinne1 said:
I beg to differ. I think my 92 Buick LeSabre is one of the best looking cars of all time. As for American cars, I love most everything from about 1953-1959. I also think there are several good looking models today, especially from Chrysler.

Have a look-see at the Crossfire and tell me its ugly:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Startech-Chrysler-Crossfire-Roadster-FA-1600x1200.jpg

The 1958 Impala is pure design genius:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1950-1959/1958-Chevrolet-Impala-Convertible-Aqua-po.htm

The 1992 LeSabre:

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1992-99-Buick-LeSabre-94121281990402.JPG

Sure, the late 70s/early 80s were AWFUL for almost all car companies, but things have improved greatly.

I can't really tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. :D If you are serious, then you just proved my point. :p
 
spinne1 said:
I beg to differ. I think my 92 Buick LeSabre is one of the best looking cars of all time. As for American cars, I love most everything from about 1953-1959. I also think there are several good looking models today, especially from Chrysler.

Have a look-see at the Crossfire and tell me its ugly:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2005/2005-Startech-Chrysler-Crossfire-Roadster-FA-1600x1200.jpg

The 1958 Impala is pure design genius:

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1950-1959/1958-Chevrolet-Impala-Convertible-Aqua-po.htm

The 1992 LeSabre:

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/1992-99-Buick-LeSabre-94121281990402.JPG

Sure, the late 70s/early 80s were AWFUL for almost all car companies, but things have improved greatly.

hahahaha... haha... ha... hmm, you're too much...

and radiantm3, yes the Ford GT is beautiful. Definitely my favourite NA car from a major manufacturer.
 
radiantm3 said:
I was speaking more about recent cars. :cool:
Yeah.

While the new corvette looks pretty cool, I don't think it's beautiful. The Ford GT will do (the original GT40 is awesome). But I can't think of any other recent American car. Some are OK, though.

But there's a lot of classic American designs, I think look great. Mostly from the 1950's and 1960's.

I think the best recent designs are the ones from brands from Italy, Germany and England. For instance Aston Martin, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche 997, Range Rover.

BTW Bangle is an American. I like the new 5er, esp. the M5. And the Z4 is way cooler than the Z3. I don't like the 1er so much, though, and the 3er rearlights look boring.
 
radiantm3 said:
I can't really tell if you are being sarcastic or serious. :D If you are serious, then you just proved my point. :p

I am serious, and taste is entirely subjective, therefore to me I have good taste and to you I have poor taste and vice versa. European cars can often look good, but are often too much about driving and not enough about riding (I prefer to ride (and I don't mean as a passenger)). I don't care for many foreign car interiors. They are much better now than twenty years ago. They are still too much hard plastic and hard seats for my taste. I don't care at all for quick acceleration or tight pin turning (because the thrill of those things wore off years ago for me), so for me a car is much more about how comfortable I am, and how good I feel in it.

As for the lower priced European cars (at least from what I can tell from movies and TV shows), all I can say is PUKE. Basically they look like recycled Yugo, Chevette, and Toyota Tercel designs--tiny box-like cars with little protection in a wreck and little comfort and little space for people or things. Yuck.

My cousin has a decent BMW and it is fine, but I wouldn't trade him for my LeSabre. Why? It costs a fortune to fix (and he has had to make expensive repairs), is not that roomy, has leather seats (yuck), and has a manual stick shift (no thank you--that is my RADIO hand).

To each his own.

PS: leftfoot, the Altima is really a nice car. Nissan got it right. It looks good and is not too costly.

PS II: Of course an Aston Martin is going to look great, but if you pay that much for a car, it BETTER look great. I paid $1500 two years ago for my LeSabre. I will never have a car payment again the rest of my life. I will pay cash for used cars that have mostly depreciated but that have good useable life left in them.
 
spinne1 said:
As for the lower priced European cars (at least from what I can tell from movies and TV shows), all I can say is PUKE. Basically they look like recycled Yugo, Chevette, and Toyota Tercel designs--tiny box-like cars with little protection in a wreck and little comfort and little space for people or things. Yuck.

I once saw an American "comedy", where some americans went to France and drove around in a tiny rental car. I think it was a Metro. I'm not sure, but I think those are more popular in the US. I think it was supposed to give the impression of "oh look in Europe people drive around in small crappy cars." Well, some do, but not those cars. There are the Smart cars, which are very small, but those aren't that cheap.

Here's an example of a small "cheap" European car. A Renault. French, so it would never sell in the US ;)
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It got a top rating on crash tests, and has crumple zones, so the passenger cabin will be intact, but other parts will crumple and absorb energy. And then active security like ESP, ABS, and airbags. ESP, ABS etc. and a car, that can handle also makes it easier to avoid a crash in the first place.

As for comfort, don't you think for instance Mercedes Benz cars are just as comfortable? They have had quality problems in recent years, and they are quite expensive, but are still comfortable.

I can totally understand why you like your LeSabre. When I lived in the US for a short while, I considered buying a late 80's or early 90's Lincoln Towncar. Handles like a boat, but looks pretty cool. Cheap, comfortable, and a big engine with lots of torque.
 
Dr_Maybe said:
...Here's an example of a small "cheap" European car. A Renault. French, so it would never sell in the US ;)
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It got a top rating on crash tests, and has crumple zones, so the passenger cabin will be intact, but other parts will crumple and absorb energy. And then active security like ESP, ABS, and airbags. ESP, ABS etc. and a car, that can handle also makes it easier to avoid a crash in the first place....
Or how about this
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also from Renault but smaller and cheaper with the same amount of interior space and better ride.

European small cars can be very comfortable and have very good handling/ride their interior space is OK for most journeys too, but if I was in the US where both corners and fuel cost are practically non-exsistant I'd probably buy a much larger car too. You can never have too much space.
 
mpw said:
Or how about this
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also from Renault but smaller and cheaper with the same amount of interior space and better ride.

European small cars can be very comfortable and have very good handling/ride their interior space is OK for most journeys too, but if I was in the US where both corners and fuel cost are practically non-exsistant I'd probably buy a much larger car too. You can never have too much space.

I understand gas prices are brutal overseas. Right now the US is in an uproar because our gas prices are around $2.85 for the cheapest gas (87 octane). It wasn't long ago when we paid just over $1 a gallon (and in March of 1992 when I left Atlanta, Georgia, gas was 83 cents a gallon). For our system, it is hurting people. Many, many people live 20 minutes to an hour away from work and commute. The long drives are adding up on people's budgets. Also, there is not good mass transit except for large cities (of which Nashville does not qualify). People live too far for a bicycle, not to mention the roads are not safe for bicycles generally.

The Renault is a nice looking design but still very small. I could not go down to Home Depot (a home improvement store) and grab some 8 foot lumber like I can in my LeSabre (stick the front ends on the passenger side dash, hang the rears out the left rear window a few feet and off you go). Nor could I pull anything with it, like the U-Haul enclosed utility trailer we rent every year to go camping.

But I see your point. The car is advanced and nice.
 
Nikore said:
This is my "new" babby just bought.

Its a 1997 BMW M3.


That car is my dream car... before th redesign either last year or the year before, when it got all curvy and 7 series like...
 
spinne1 said:
Many, many people live 20 minutes to an hour away from work and commute. The long drives are adding up on people's budgets.

20 minutes to 1 hour is a long drive? It takes me over half an hour to get to work and I consider that a short drive..and thats by UK standards!

I keep considering a diesel Fiat Grande Punto - up to 70mpg, but everything else - dealer service, reliability etc tells me to keep clear! Would be tempted by the Clio above or a nice Mini Cooper though when they update them for 2007 - if their mpg is better anyway.
 
Nikore said:
This is my "new" babby just bought.

Its a 1997 BMW M3.

great car man, little small for my taste but hey M5 is much more expensive :D

if you don't mine me asking how many miles were on the car 9 year old right? and how much damage it cost you?

TIA
 
I swear this isn't the first picture if you google for crappy cars.
 

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leftfoot said:
Here's my car...

It's a 2005 Altima SE-R.

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Now, if you want to be economical it gets 25-30 on the highway.
Or, if you want to take the trip to 60mph in 5.5 seconds from light to light, it gets around 18mpg.
http://www.modernracer.com/nissanaltimaser.html

Although this car looks really pimp I think you should consider your callsign when you start to believe in the 0-60MPH time of 5.5 est. Leftfoot = breaks in N.A.:D .
Do you really think that with the 350Z's engine with more weight, and higher Co-Efficient of drag and $12'000 cheaper sticker price that Nissan would have this ride faster than the Z? I'd understand the Infiniti G35 Coupe because gearing is better with roughly the same weight & 2 more adult seats is better value; but not the Altima.

Still Big pimping though really nice ride, and the perfect color; care to post interior photos too please?!

I'd like a 1280x1024 Drivers point of view for my desktop photo, please;)
 
Prom1 said:
Although this car looks really pimp I think you should consider your callsign when you start to believe in the 0-60MPH time of 5.5 est. Leftfoot = breaks in N.A.:D .
Do you really think that with the 350Z's engine with more weight, and higher Co-Efficient of drag and $12'000 cheaper sticker price that Nissan would have this ride faster than the Z? I'd understand the Infiniti G35 Coupe because gearing is better with roughly the same weight & 2 more adult seats is better value; but not the Altima.
You forgot to mention the fact that the altima is a FWD car. With all that torque and hp, the front end will be jumping before it gets any traction.
 
Here's a picture of my car...or atleast inside of the car. I took the pic on the way to work...was a little bored and had my camera.

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chriswan said:
Here's a picture of my car...or atleast inside of the car. I took the pic on the way to work...was a little bored and had my camera.

139476737_cef5b83713_b.jpg
Wow, you have an invisible girlfriend! At least you get to use the car-pool lane.
 
cheekyspanky said:
20 minutes to 1 hour is a long drive? It takes me over half an hour to get to work and I consider that a short drive..and thats by UK standards!
Amen to that! Here in Berlin it takes me 45 minutes to get to the office, which is a good average... I know people having a 1.5 hours drive to work...

cheekyspanky said:
I keep considering a diesel Fiat Grande Punto - up to 70mpg, but everything else - dealer service, reliability etc tells me to keep clear! Would be tempted by the Clio above or a nice Mini Cooper though when they update them for 2007 - if their mpg is better anyway.
Don't worry about the quality of FIAT. They got significantly better during the last few years. We have a FIAT stilo 1.9 Turbo Diesel since 2 years and we never had any problem with it (at least none worth to be mentined).

groovebuster
 
boneca said:
great car man, little small for my taste but hey M5 is much more expensive :D

if you don't mine me asking how many miles were on the car 9 year old right? and how much damage it cost you?

TIA

It's really not all that small when you get in too it but yeah the M5 is bigger but WAY more expensive lol.

It has 62,322 miles on it and I bought it for 10500 but he let the registration laps on it so gave me 300 bucks off (the cost of the smog check + registration penalties) so I got it for 10200. It was an awesome deal I got it off ebay. And yeah its 9 years old but its practically bran new the previous owner took really really good care of it. Almost on the verge of obsessive compulsive care lol.
 
chriswan said:
Here's a picture of my car...or atleast inside of the car. I took the pic on the way to work...was a little bored and had my camera.

snip...

I really like your car! Is it the 250 or 350? I'm in the market, I was thinking this, or a Mercedes... obviously you like the lexus better, what made you like it over anything else? driving thoughts? THANKS

edit... you clearly have the GS, not the IS as I was thinking... still nice tho
 
For the euopean / US car debate, well I used to think US car look ugly, but now, after living in the US for years, and then moving back to euope, Germany, for 3 years, the Euopean cars look thin, week, age really quick. In the Mags, on the TV, they look great, but in real life look week, and basic, with thin bodies.

I going to stick with a US looking vehicle seems alot strong, also still is bigger. I now gas is high at $3 a gallon, BTW that the price I pay in Germany from US bases, it still better than $6 dollars a gallon the euopeans are paying, and those poor brits, they paying even more. For every 4 cents or pence in the UK, add 3 on top for tax, 76% tax.
 
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