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SonoViva

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Stumbled upon this perfect fall scene tonight!
 

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Howyalikdemapls

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iPhone 14 Deep purple pro max with Speck presido crystal clear case and the Apple leather Ink case.
Does the leather case have a lip to protect the front display? And does the lip around the camera bump protrude further than the camera lenses?
 

Laryl

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Well Lightroom hasn’t been updated for the iPhone 14 pro just yet but it still works well. Here are some test shots of the night sky from my front yard. I must say that the images are MUCH CLEARER and cleaner compared to the 13 pro max. The larger sensor really shines and the quad pixels really impress. These are 30” shots in ProRAW with Lightroom edits. They are somewhat basic looking because of the light pollution around me. But the new sensor exposes at lower ISO than the 13 pro max did. The 13 pro would expose at 4000-6400, the 14 pro max exposes at ISO 800-1600. Much better! These are just tests…definitely not my best work…had to stop because of the darn mosquitoes!

Definitely lots of details in the trees. I caught a meteor as well in the Milky Way

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Looks great!
 
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zakarhino

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Almost everyone on Apple's list for embargo review devices needs to be removed immediately, including everyone's favorite Marques. I love the guy, I've been watching him for many years, but he and the rest fell short on demonstrating the low light improvements vs 13 Pro. It's like nobody even bothered to push the cameras. Based on everyone's reviews I thought there would be basically no improvement outside of enabling 48MP ProRAW so I was pleasantly surprised to find a bit more detail across the board.

I still have my long list of complaints about Apples post processing but I retract my hyperbolic statement regarding Photonic Engine being a marketing gimmick. I took a couple of very low light shots and there is definitely a noticeable improvement in detail retrieval and color depth VS my 13 PM at least when using Night Mode. It's subtle, you can argue the improvements should have been more dramatic, but it's still something. I guess that's why Apple didn't show close up low light comparisons vs. pre Photonic Engine devices because it would have looked a bit stupid and redundant on stage (it's not like the leap Deep Fusion took). In my opinion so far, based soley on the photos I just took, what I'm seeing in this thread, and what I saw in the reviews it's not worth upgrading from 13 Pro unless you will take full advantage of 48MP ProRAW and you take a lot of night shots.

I have yet to try daytime shots (including what I really upgraded for: ProRAW 48MP) but we’ll save that for tomorrow and I'll update my opinion.

Here are some test shots I did with night mode in pretty low light conditions. The key photo you should skip to if you want to see what Photonic Engine might be doing is the purple fountain one because it was taken with the only camera that didn't receive a hardware upgrade: the telephoto.

⚠️ OPEN SPOILER FOR NIGHT MODE TEST PHOTOS ⚠️
please forgive the poor compositions, I was in a rush and just wanted to quickly test​

For example, looking up the hill from Lawrence Hall of Science. Zoom in on the leaves above the fountain, the top left building’s window frames and the grass/foliage below it. You can actually make out an acceptable amount of detail. The colors are a little deeper too, less washed out than what I’ve come to expect from iPhone. At first glance there's slightly less yellow/grey dominance than what I'm used to on iPhone but I need to take a lot more shots to figure this out.

There’s a confidence in the way this image renders like the sensor is struggling less than the 13 Pro's did. It's not mind blowing but enough for me to consider a slight improvement. The biggest downside? I shouldn't have to tell you: those gross artifacts/flares from the lights (visible just above the buildings). Still an unresolved issue from 12 Pro and 13 Pro.

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1x Wide camera, stock Camera app, Night mode at 9 second exposure, no edits.

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Crop of the above for reference.


A closeup of the fountain. Everything looks mostly the same as 13 Pro Max to my eye except for detail. Yes I think there's a microscopic improvement in color depth but take a look at the texture of the stone and water droplets, they are a little more defined than what I would otherwise get from 13 Pro -- importantly, there's less perceivable oil painting effect.

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1x Wide camera, stock Camera app, Night mode at 3 second exposure, no edits.

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Crop of the above for reference.

Here's a telephoto shot of the same scene. The telephoto hardware didn't get upgraded this year as far as I know so this is a real test of Photonic Engine. To my eye the water droplet detail has improved significantly with a lot less oil painting effect than before. You can make out more individual droplets than what 13 Pro would capture and the result is a more satisfying fountain texture. There's a little more texture in the stone at the bottom of the frame too. This must be a result of using the raw uncompressed camera data to kick off the computational photography process because this kind of micro detail/contrast in the droplets is what I'm more used to seeing in Halide RAW photos (not entirely but you get the point).

Reminder that this is NOT a ProRAW image.

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3x Telephoto camera, stock Camera app, Night mode at 3 second exposure, no edits.
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Crop of the above for reference.


Here's an image taken in ProRAW. In my settings I have 48MP mode enabled but the final image said 12MP so Apple are clearly overriding your 48MP preference in low light scenarios. That's fine by me given the better detail I'm getting in this shot anyway vs. what the 13 Pro would capture. Look at the wall surrounding the glowing letters. Again, roughly speaking better detail from Photonic Engine + pixel binning = better image texture = more satisfying photo that looks less "smartphony."


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1x Wide camera, stock Camera app, ProRAW, "Magic Wand" one button edit in Photos app (it primarily increased contrast).

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Looking down at the lab. An overall cleaner image than what my 13 PM would give me. There are no miracles being performed in terms of bringing up the pitch black areas of the image (something Pixel would try to do) but the areas with light are a lot more detailed, as is the sky.

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1x Wide camera, stock Camera app, Night mode at 6 second exposure, no edits.


In conclusion there's nothing major going on with those very low light photos. I took a single test image of my front courtyard which is relatively well lit and that looks stellar, I'm not going to post that for obvious reasons. I think ultra low light photos gain a little in detail whereas semi low light photos (like night time in the city where we start with a decent amount of input light) gain a lot more, especially in overall clarity and color depth.

Coming back to what reviewers say their yearly cop out claim of "you gotta be pixel peeping to notice differences" is frustrating when they refuse to actually pixel peep themselves to show us what they're talking about. I agree the differences are small but those differences should actually be shown. We need Tyler Stalman to do a 13 Pro vs 14 Pro side by side comparison similar to the 14 vs 14 Pro video he just uploaded.

Bonus image: max Night Mode exposure time pointing directly up at the sky with a non-trivial amount of light pollution and subpar stargazing conditions. It's no astrophotography mode but whatever, it's certainly better than an 11 Pro for example.

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1x Wide camera, stock Camera app, Night mode at 10 second exposure, no edits.

I need to do more direct comparisons with my old 13 Pro Max because at the moment I might have rose tinted glasses from the newness of the thing.
 
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Jumpie

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Well Lightroom hasn’t been updated for the iPhone 14 pro just yet but it still works well. Here are some test shots of the night sky from my front yard. I must say that the images are MUCH CLEARER and cleaner compared to the 13 pro max. The larger sensor really shines and the quad pixels really impress. These are 30” shots in ProRAW with Lightroom edits. They are somewhat basic looking because of the light pollution around me. But the new sensor exposes at lower ISO than the 13 pro max did. The 13 pro would expose at 4000-6400, the 14 pro max exposes at ISO 800-1600. Much better! These are just tests…definitely not my best work…had to stop because of the darn mosquitoes!

Definitely lots of details in the trees. I caught a meteor as well in the Milky Way

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This. This is what I’m waiting for. The moon is still too bright. I can wait another week for a black moon.
 

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ToddH

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This. This is what I’m waiting for. The moon is still too bright. I can wait another week for a black moon.
I know… just a few more days. However the Milky Way is visible about an hour after sunset in the south-west. The moon comes up late enough for you to get a good shot of it. Use a tripod to get 30” exposure time, handheld will only get you 10”. Good luck
 

ToddH

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Something I found tonight when shooing the night sky, the new iPhone 14 pro max that I have does see and record fainter objects in the night sky over the 13 pro max. Here is a crude example. There is light pollution here. I’ll probably go to my normal dark site this evening. I took a shot of the andromeda galaxy area in ProRAW on both iPhones. The larger sensor and quad pixel binning does make a big and noticeable difference. Also the optics on the 14 pro are much sharper at f/1.78, no signs of coma like the 13 pro.

M31 and M33 galaxies: these are screenshots of the raw files cropped. The arrow points to M33, M31 is visible up to the left as the oval patch of light. But let me get to a dark site to really test this, so far the 14 pro max does a better job for sure. The larger sensor is definitely noticeable.

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Dstopsie

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LOS ANGELES BABY!!
Does the leather case have a lip to protect the front display? And does the lip around the camera bump protrude further than the camera lenses?
Does the leather case have a lip to protect the front display? And does the lip around the camera bump protrude further than the camera lenses?
Hi

Yes there is a bit of a lip around the front display. Not as pronounced as on other cases. The lip around the camera is flush it does not protrude. I always use ballistic glass screen protectors from Tech Armor. I also bought the Speck Presido clean case and there is more of a lip around the front. I found the phone feels way heavier and bulky in that case and it’s a little hard to take off. I can post some pics of that case if you want. Really shows off the purple color well.
 

Cod3rror

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I am really liking the ProRAW samples so far. They really look like they came from a mirrorless camera. Have that softness yet high details. Nice, realistic colours. Noise and grain is handled in pleasant way.

Check the samples in this video, the RAW shots look so crisp! So much better than the over-processed HDR nonsense cameras produce nowadays.


It would be great if there was an automatic mode for ProRAW > JPEG.
 
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