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mg51015bb

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You guys keep latching on to certain things I’m saying out of context of the original argument.

First, you guys all have a short memory when it comes to Google. They’ve cut corners on hardware literally since they started making phones. Pixel 7 was the best offering to date by far when it comes to hardware. But let’s not forget about every other Pixel device.

Second, my original comment about not delivering flagship hardware was if they decided to follow the lineup and price structure of Apple (which is what the original article was about). That would mean increasing the price of Pro level devices and make argument was if they go that route they can’t cut corners on hardware. They need to have top of the line everything like Samsung and Apple put in their phones. Not 3 year old modems, outdated biometrics, or the same camera sensors they had been using for 5 years.


So you think Googles hardware is on par with Apple and Samsung when it comes to build quality and specs? Seriously? Put aside software, I’ve said a million times I think Pixel software is by far the best on the market. Put cost aside, because in the context of the conversation, it was about if Google raised prices to match Apples lineup and pricing. Build quality, specs, materials, tech is all newer in Samsung and Apple devices. Google tends to use older tech (modem, FP sensor, display, camera sensor). You think they’re flagship because Google software bridges the gap so well.

We’re all talking ourselves in circles at this point so no need to continue. I think Google are behind the curve when it comes to hardware. You guys don’t. Fair enough. I’m rooting for you guys to be right and for hardware to get better. If I had google software on a Samsung built device I would never pick up an iPhone again.
I generally agree with Awesomesince86. I’ve owned every Pixel and each one has had issues.
  • Pixel: Bluetooth was bad. Frequently had issues with dropped connections on my headphones whereas iPhone worked fine.
  • Pixel 2XL: screen wasn’t great
  • Pixel 3XL: Terrible RAM management. Had constant redraws and apps closing. Google cut corners by only going with 4GB RAM, although I think there might have been a kernel issue since the 3a I got a few months later was fine.
  • 4 series: Questionable battery life decisions…less than 3000mah on the smaller 4 + adding all the Soli stuff??? Why?? My 4XL had decent battery life and I enjoyed the face unlock, but it didn’t compare to my 11 Pro (IMO the best battery life in a phone I’ve owned).
  • 5 series: this was fine, but definitely a mid-ranger device.
  • 6 series: FP sensor isn’t great, lot of complaints about network and dropped calls. Battery life is okay.
  • 7 series: not much to complain about, but the FP sensor still isn’t great. I had times where it worked 20% of the time and other times where it was fine. For a premium phone, this should be working without the user having to think about the moisture level of their fingertip.
In general, I think Google has made 1 or 2 head-scratching decisions with each iteration of the phone. They are starting to change that with the 6 or especially the 7-series, and you can’t beat the value for the price. But in terms of overall package, iPhone hardware is still superior IMO and iOS vs Android is largely preference.

If Google wants to compete at the $1k price point, they need to clean up a few things (better biometric functionality, add LIDAR for better autofocus in low light, better video, improved performance). I think they are better off competing at a lower price point than Apple and relying on their software prowess to cover any minor hardware shortcomings.
 
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Got my update too today in UK

I’ve had 2 updates for the camera as well since I got it. Very impressed and camera has improved. My favourite for photos overall
 

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I generally agree with Awesomesince86. I’ve owned every Pixel and each one has had issues.
  • Pixel: Bluetooth was bad. Frequently had issues with dropped connections on my headphones whereas iPhone worked fine.
  • Pixel 2XL: screen wasn’t great
  • Pixel 3XL: Terrible RAM management. Had constant redraws and apps closing. Google cut corners by only going with 4GB RAM, although I think there might have been a kernel issue since the 3a I got a few months later was fine.
  • 4 series: Questionable battery life decisions…less than 3000mah on the smaller 4 + adding all the Soli stuff??? Why?? My 4XL had decent battery life and I enjoyed the face unlock, but it didn’t compare to my 11 Pro (IMO the best battery life in a phone I’ve owned).
  • 5 series: this was fine, but definitely a mid-ranger device.
  • 6 series: FP sensor isn’t great, lot of complaints about network and dropped calls. Battery life is okay.
  • 7 series: not much to complain about, but the FP sensor still isn’t great. I had times where it worked 20% of the time and other times where it was fine. For a premium phone, this should be working without the user having to think about the moisture level of their fingertip.
In general, I think Google has made 1 or 2 head-scratching decisions with each iteration of the phone. They are starting to change that with the 6 or especially the 7-series, and you can’t beat the value for the price. But in terms of overall package, iPhone hardware is still superior IMO and iOS vs Android is largely preference.

If Google wants to compete at the $1k price point, they need to clean up a few things (better biometric functionality, add LIDAR for better autofocus in low light, better video, improved performance). I think they are better off competing at a lower price point than Apple and relying on their software prowess to cover any minor hardware shortcomings.
I generally agree with everything that you have said.

Although my fingerprint scanner works about 90% of the time. I rarely have any problems with it. I also have a Samsung Galaxy s22 plus and it has a supposedly superior ultrasonic fingerprint scanner but it is nowhere near as reliable as the P7P. The s22 is maybe 60% reliable or accurate.
 
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I generally agree with everything that you have said.

Although my fingerprint scanner works about 90% of the time. I rarely have any problems with it. I also have a Samsung Galaxy s22 plus and it has a supposedly superior ultrasonic fingerprint scanner but it is nowhere near as reliable as the P7P. The s22 is maybe 60% reliable or accurate.
Right. I just don't understand the complaints about the FPS. Mine is as solid as any under display FPS I've used on any device. Maybe I'm just lucky.
 

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I’m a huge Pixel-Stan. I’ve owned each version. I’ve also owned a few Galaxy devices and every iPhone. The FP sensor on the 6 and 7-series is the worst biometric unlock I’ve used since…well I can’t remember. Touch ID on the iPhone was much better. The rear FP reader on the Pixel 1-3 and 5 was much better. Soli unlock on the 4 was great, FaceID is great. The rear and side FP reader on my S8 or S10e were great.

The FP reader on the P6 and P7 is serviceable but it’s a step down IMO. Sometimes it worked perfectly, other times it failed repeatedly. Removing and re-adding fingers didn’t help a ton for me. Fortunately I used smart lock with my Pixel Watch and that helped a ton…but I swear, logging into any banking app I had to enter my passcode 50% of the time because the FP didn’t work.
 

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I guess I have good hands lol FPS works pretty much 99% of the time and in all my apps ..I hear y'all on having it better for ALL though ..I'm improving on it ...
 
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The fingerprint sensor works really well for me. Maybe I am in the minority but I don't know?

I would have preferred an ultrasonic sensor but as I have said repeatedly on my s22 plus it is less reliable than the Pixel 7 Pro?

After using this device for my primary phone for a few weeks now and having experience with an iPhone Pro Max 13 and Samsung Galaxy s22 plus I am really impressed. The Pixel 7 Pro cost less than either device yet IMHO works better than either of them.

Sure I wish they would bring back Soli or some other type of infrared Face scanner because it was the only Android phone that ever had such a feature similar to Apple's FaceID. But I like using a fingerprint scanner.

The problem as I see it is under display fingerprint scanner just don't work as well as a button type. I think the back fingerprint scanner was the best and would actually like something like that implemented again. I would also like to see ceramic instead of glass but maybe the Victus is a more durable material.

The Pixel 7 Pro is one of the best phones Google has ever made. Considering the price I paid I am happy with it and find it hard to complain about anything other than nitpicking that I do on any phone because none of them are perfect.

iPhones are great and I love them but Apple seriously missed the mark this year unless you bought the 14 Pro Max and it is not perfect either. Battery life is a step backwards from the 13 Pro Max which was the best phone I ever had in terms of battery life. The cameras are better but I would like to see better or higher optical zoom. If you got a regular iPhone 14 then you got screwed and same with the Max which are basically rebranded iPhone 13. So many improvements could have been made to the regular line up. They could have had the notchless design, better cameras and why in 2023 does a regular iPhone still have a 60hz display specially on the Max. 90hz would have been enough to make a huge improvement but still differentiate the Pro models.

If we compare the iPhone 14 Max to the Pixel 7 Pro which both cost the same then the Pixel is a better device in almost every metric other than a15. Pixel has a better display, better cameras, same aluminum frame, better AI integration and features all for the same price and actually if you got it on sale cost less than the regular iPhone 14.

If you compare it to the iPhone 14 Pro Max it is not as good but it is still close.

Everyone wants to focus on the fingerprint scanner and trash the Pixel not because it doesn't work but because it is not the latest generation sensor. If I have water on my finger the ultra sonic sensor will not read either. If you don't use any type of screen protector on either device then the ultrasonic is a little faster. We are not talking a huge difference though. So if Google can use a sensor that costs less yet performs just as well and doesn't charge as much for the phone why does it matter.

If Google charged $1100 I am sure it would be very close to a Samsung Galaxy s22 ultra in terms of hardware but they charged a lot less while still giving a very similar device. Personally as long as I get the latest Tensor, 12gb ddr5 ram, great cameras with a great telephoto zoom lens, beautiful screen, big battery, great software experience and features not available on any other phone then I don't see what the problem is?

People complain about the Tensor, the fingerprint sensor, the modem yet all of these things work just as well as other flagship devices.

Again maybe I am the odd one out who got a good device or maybe Google made a great phone. It is not perfect and there is room for improvement but the more I use this phone the more I understand the choices Google made and at a time when everything is costing way more or is already very expensive it is nice to have a great premium device for less than the other major flagship companies.
 

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I guess I have good hands lol FPS works pretty much 99% of the time and in all my apps ..I hear y'all on having it better for ALL though ..I'm improving on it ...
You just have good fingerprints! The FPS on the Pixel 7 works just fine for me. I just add the sames prints a couple times just to make sure
 

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FPS on pixel 7 pro is flawless to me. No better and no worse than what is on the S22 ultra for example. I'm sure the vivo with the extra space is better but i can't understand why people would moan about 7 pro. 6 pro? yes i get that as it wasn't great but the 7 for me is a big improvement.
 

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FPS on pixel 7 pro is flawless to me. No better and no worse than what is on the S22 ultra for example. I'm sure the vivo with the extra space is better but i can't understand why people would moan about 7 pro. 6 pro? yes i get that as it wasn't great but the 7 for me is a big improvement.
It’s the web.. if there was nothing to complain about, what else would they do? Lol Once those who complain come to realization that every flagship isn’t prefect and the OEM strives to address their devices shortcomings annually… they will be better off.
 
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I finally got to see a Pixel 7 Pro in person! It was gorgeous. Unfortunately the display is not friendly to me at all. I couldn’t focus properly on it. I’m not sure exactly what the issue is but it’s the same as with my Pixel 6 Pro. I suppose it’s due to pwm.

I tried a Z Flip 4 and an S22 Ultra and was fine. I had a bit of trouble with the S22 display though. I really do have to be careful when I buy new phones.

However, all that being said, it was a nice size and looked and felt premium to me. I have a serious case of envy. It was a really gorgeous phone. It was the black one.
 

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I finally got to see a Pixel 7 Pro in person! It was gorgeous. Unfortunately the display is not friendly to me at all. I couldn’t focus properly on it. I’m not sure exactly what the issue is but it’s the same as with my Pixel 6 Pro. I suppose it’s due to pwm.

I tried a Z Flip 4 and an S22 Ultra and was fine. I had a bit of trouble with the S22 display though. I really do have to be careful when I buy new phones.

However, all that being said, it was a nice size and looked and felt premium to me. I have a serious case of envy. It was a really gorgeous phone. It was the black one.
I have obsidian or black.

That really sucks about the display. This was from Android Authority,

"For those who are sensitive to pulse-width modulation (PWM), the Pixel 7 Pro stepped down its PWM frequency from 360 Hz to 240 Hz"

I wonder if the default settings would make a difference with adaptive brightness enabled by default vs just a static setting? Also the default resolution is 1080p and you have to change it to 1440p?

It is a great phone but considering how you use the spen a lot on the s22 ultra I think it is a better phone for your needs.

I love my Pixel a lot and the display scored #3 of current flagship devices.


I particularly like the color temperature.

However when the s23 ultra comes out it might best them all. Hopefully they will not have changed the PWM or anything else in that regard. I heard rumors that Samsung is going to charge 20-30% more for the s23 series. I don't believe it but that is one of the rumors.

I have gotten to the point where it is either, Pixel, Samsung s series or iPhone. We all know Samsung and Apple make some of the best hardware.

What made me get the Pixel beyond the hardware is the Tensor G2 and the software. Tensor IMHO is the future for SOC as AI integration plays a bigger and bigger role moving forward. Also the chip design is not just designed with Benchmarks in mind but real world use. I want to see continued innovation like better GPU and newer cores but I like the dual x cores moderately clocked with dual high performance cores and 4 low power cores. This keeps throttling to a minimum and still provides stellar performance. The AI features are really cool like call screening, voice to text, the on screen menus while on a call, etc. If Google puts arm 9 x2/3 on 3nm next year and a better GPU then Tensor will be impressive. People complain about the performance but in real world it is fast and benchmarks the same as 8 gen 1 in multi core and not too far away in single core but in Vulcan gou tests about 30% lower than adreno.

The Samsung s23 series with 8 gen 2 should be pretty significant upgrade in just one generation like 60% better depending on the metric from 8 gen 1. Samsung will overclock it and add cooling to the s23 series. So it should be much faster and not throttle. I am pretty excited but Samsung needs to keep the price the same.
 

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I have obsidian or black.

That really sucks about the display. This was from Android Authority,

"For those who are sensitive to pulse-width modulation (PWM), the Pixel 7 Pro stepped down its PWM frequency from 360 Hz to 240 Hz"

I wonder if the default settings would make a difference with adaptive brightness enabled by default vs just a static setting? Also the default resolution is 1080p and you have to change it to 1440p?

It is a great phone but considering how you use the spen a lot on the s22 ultra I think it is a better phone for your needs.

I love my Pixel a lot and the display scored #3 of current flagship devices.


I particularly like the color temperature.

However when the s23 ultra comes out it might best them all. Hopefully they will not have changed the PWM or anything else in that regard. I heard rumors that Samsung is going to charge 20-30% more for the s23 series. I don't believe it but that is one of the rumors.

I have gotten to the point where it is either, Pixel, Samsung s series or iPhone. We all know Samsung and Apple make some of the best hardware.

What made me get the Pixel beyond the hardware is the Tensor G2 and the software. Tensor IMHO is the future for SOC as AI integration plays a bigger and bigger role moving forward. Also the chip design is not just designed with Benchmarks in mind but real world use. I want to see continued innovation like better GPU and newer cores but I like the dual x cores moderately clocked with dual high performance cores and 4 low power cores. This keeps throttling to a minimum and still provides stellar performance. The AI features are really cool like call screening, voice to text, the on screen menus while on a call, etc. If Google puts arm 9 x2/3 on 3nm next year and a better GPU then Tensor will be impressive. People complain about the performance but in real world it is fast and benchmarks the same as 8 gen 1 in multi core and not too far away in single core but in Vulcan gou tests about 30% lower than adreno.

The Samsung s23 series with 8 gen 2 should be pretty significant upgrade in just one generation like 60% better depending on the metric from 8 gen 1. Samsung will overclock it and add cooling to the s23 series. So it should be much faster and not throttle. I am pretty excited but Samsung needs to keep the price the same.
Supposedly the pwm on S22 Ultra is also poor 240hz, but consistent. That may be why I'm ok on it. If it jumps around too much on a Pixel, that may be what causes me problems. I'm not sure what is causing my issues with OLED AND LCD displays on iPhones.

I'm definitely "normal" on my S22 Ultra. Some people have tremendous difficulty on Samsung phones but fortunately at least I can use this one.

There's a lot I like about Pixels so I wish I could put my 6 Pro back in my rotation again. I had every intention at one point of trading the 6 Pro for the 7 Pro. I'm very much an enthusiast of the "Pixel experience". I'll continue to follow what is going on with Pixels. You never know when I'll be able to use one again someday. I had so much fun with my 6 Pro last autumn.

So far, the iphone 13 Pro rendered me unable to use a iphone 12 mini I enjoyed. Then iphone 14 Pro Max has sensitized me so I can't use any Pixels now.

I'm seriously considering quitting iphones. iMessages isn't worth this crap anymore.
 
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I like iPhones in general but I don't being locked into any ecosystem because the company purposely makes it difficult for people to transition. If your product is superior then you should make some of your features like iMessage available to all platforms and same with Facetime. If Apple made iMessage and Facetime available on Android it would help people use whatever they want and if people like the software it would probably get them to try an iPhone but when you lock people into a situation where they can only use one or the other it prevents people from trying both sides of the equation.

When Apple first made iTunes available on a Windows PC it made a lot of Windows users curious about Mac's as it gave them a glimpse of the software experience.

Instead you have Mr. Cook telling people to just get an iPhone if they want iMessage interoperability. Shameful in my opinion. Apple has been pretty blatantly taking features long on Android and incorporating then into iOS and calling them new iPhone features. I don't care about a company seeing a good idea and using it as Android has done so too but they don't act like it was their original idea like Apple does now.

Apple needs to open up and embrace the competition not dig in and make things harder for interoperability for multiple platforms. It is only going to hurt them in the end.

I really enjoyed using an iPhone until iOS 16. I don't know what it is because there are some features that are better but it is like two steps forward and 3 steps back. I like widgets but not how they work. I like Always On Display but unless you have the newest Pro you don't get it and the 14 series of iPhones is fine if you get a Pro but just a rebranded iPhone 13 if you don't. I don't like esim only as it seems like another way to lock you in. I could have spent the money and bought myself a purple Pro Max because I do love the color but decided to go Android even though there are multiple obstacles that basically Apple is forcing on me.

I like freedom to choose not based on some allegiance to a company but based on what I enjoy using. I will never just use Android or iOS and I desperately want a third choice. It is fun to use different OS and see how they work. It is fun to try different hardware and designs. It gets really boring using the same thing all the time and even new version is still mostly the same. I think the reason why people like Android and put up with Windows is the vast choice in hardware.

The problem you are experiencing is the fact that if you want to use iOS you are locked into the device Apple makes and don't have any choice in the hardware. That can be a good thing for optimization but a bad one when you have a medical issue using that specific hardware. You gave a great illustration of my point. You can't use the Pixel 7 Pro but you can use the Samsung Galaxy s22 ultra. If Google locked everything down you would have the same problem as you do with the iPhone.

I had to make the switch from my iPhone 13 Pro Max and ultimately right now Android is the better choice for me. In a year or two that might change but then again the Pixel 8 Pro and Samsung Galaxy s23 ultra/Plus might be a better choice for me. In the end I don't like feeling locked into a choice and making choices based on fear of losing. I like being able to choose the best software and best hardware for my money. For some people it is based on other factors like design, aesthetics or just wanting to have the best of the best or long term update support. Apple does a pretty good job with updates and Android still isn't as good.

I am sorry for the long rant but I know there are a lot of people who consider switching honestly from one ecosystem to the other. People should be able to do so because they like the device better and the software better not because one company decides to make it harder for their customers to have a choice and does everything possible to keep them locked in. Apple could make it easy to switch to Android and keep basic functionality working on both sides like iMessages. It is not going to make a bunch of people leave iPhone simply because Android users can use an app like iMessage on any phone and it might even draw Android users to iPhones.

As a suggestion I would try using your ultra exclusively for a month or a little longer. Make all the sacrifices and let friends and family know that you are doing a test for medical reasons. Then after a month you can see if you are ready to make a complete switch. In my experience there are adjustments and there are pros and cons to iOS and Android. But in the end I have a feeling you won't miss that much and will feel better because you are free to do whatever you want. You will have opened the door for you to use whatever works best for you and always have the choice to use an iPhone again.

I have been thinking about getting an iPhone SE or 13 mini just to have access to iOS on a phone but besides iMessage I can use my iPad for that lost functionality. I can check my messages on my Mac on the web and I can sync my phone to Google messages on the web. I can use link to Windows when I use windows. I can make calls on my Windows PC and tab s8. I plan to sell my tab s8 and getting a Pixel tablet which should integrate nicely with my pixel 7 Pro.

If I were you I would sell my Pro Max on Swappa and keep your 12 mini. Get the s23 ultra and hopefully the screen won't be a problem. In time your eyes might get used to the mini again and you will be able to use both platforms. Then when the 15 comes out maybe that display will not cause the problems you are experiencing now.

Either way you have a choice and you should always prioritize your health over anything else. Getting eye strain or migraines just to use a particular device is simply not worth the physical suffering. I would also contact Apple support and let them know that you are experiencing this issue and what you might have to do because of it. The more people who let Apple know that their screens on various devices are causing problems for people the more they might start to design better hardware and software implementation to address a very real issue for an increasing number of people.

It would be nice if you could use your Pro Max again.
 

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So I have two little things which bothered me a bit.

The first one - my Pixel froze entirely twice this week and I had to reboot it as it was not responding to any commands. Once it even rebooted itself, but still was not responsive. While bothering, this has only happened using one particular dating app, so maybe it is just a sign from above I should leave it and be forever alone 😂 anyways, this has never happened on the N20U over the two years I had it, so Pixel is losing in the ranking of my favorite phones so far. I actually thought I would possibly go back to iPhone when the time comes to replace my phone and then ultimately decide, what I like best and just stick to it - so an iPhone, a Samsung or a Pixel.

The second one - what th is going on with the camera glass issue? Has anyone done more reading on this? Are only people in very cold environments affected or is it just some typical '-gate' that just comes up for a moment and then disappears because in the end there were just a few, negligible complaints? Pretty interesting, as Google is not accepting warranty claims for that.
 

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So I have two little things which bothered me a bit.

The first one - my Pixel froze entirely twice this week and I had to reboot it as it was not responding to any commands. Once it even rebooted itself, but still was not responsive. While bothering, this has only happened using one particular dating app, so maybe it is just a sign from above I should leave it and be forever alone 😂 anyways, this has never happened on the N20U over the two years I had it, so Pixel is losing in the ranking of my favorite phones so far. I actually thought I would possibly go back to iPhone when the time comes to replace my phone and then ultimately decide, what I like best and just stick to it - so an iPhone, a Samsung or a Pixel.

The second one - what th is going on with the camera glass issue? Has anyone done more reading on this? Are only people in very cold environments affected or is it just some typical '-gate' that just comes up for a moment and then disappears because in the end there were just a few, negligible complaints? Pretty interesting, as Google is not accepting warranty claims for that.
The only thing I'll say, every phone has their issues. I have the iPhone 14 Pro Max and this has been by far the buggiest iPhone I've ever owned. Random freeze ups, apps crashing, etc. It's not so frequent that I can't function, but not used to this kind of behavior on an iPhone.
 
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The only thing I'll say, every phone has their issues. I have the iPhone 14 Pro Max and this has been by far the buggiest iPhone I've ever owned. Random freeze ups, apps crashing, etc. It's not so frequent that I can't function, but not used to this kind of behavior on an iPhone.
My daughter has had her iphone 14 Pro brick hard. She awoke to a completely dead phone and we don't know how or why. I don't really know what my husband did exactly to get it working again. She's had some trouble with it, especially Bluetooth. My 14 Pro Max so far has been pretty good. It was my 13 Pro that was buggy. So I'm not sure if there's a hardware or software issue at play with the problems some of us are seeing.
 

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The only thing I'll say, every phone has their issues. I have the iPhone 14 Pro Max and this has been by far the buggiest iPhone I've ever owned. Random freeze ups, apps crashing, etc. It's not so frequent that I can't function, but not used to this kind of behavior on an iPhone.
Agree 100% on the 14PM being the buggiest iPhone. Its actually the buggiest phone I have at the moment. Thinking about finding me a 13PM as the esim crap also annoys the hell out of me.
 

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So I have two little things which bothered me a bit.

The first one - my Pixel froze entirely twice this week and I had to reboot it as it was not responding to any commands. Once it even rebooted itself, but still was not responsive. While bothering, this has only happened using one particular dating app, so maybe it is just a sign from above I should leave it and be forever alone 😂 anyways, this has never happened on the N20U over the two years I had it, so Pixel is losing in the ranking of my favorite phones so far. I actually thought I would possibly go back to iPhone when the time comes to replace my phone and then ultimately decide, what I like best and just stick to it - so an iPhone, a Samsung or a Pixel.

The second one - what th is going on with the camera glass issue? Has anyone done more reading on this? Are only people in very cold environments affected or is it just some typical '-gate' that just comes up for a moment and then disappears because in the end there were just a few, negligible complaints? Pretty interesting, as Google is not accepting warranty claims for that.
I've seen the camera glass issue reports on reddit. I just don't see how it can be a widespread issue. Also seen the cold environment theory. Most of the time that wouldn't affect me being in the Dallas area but it got pretty cold here around Christmas (in the single digits) and I was in Park City, UT for 10 days skiing with temps also reaching single digits. Dropped it in the snow a couple times. No issue.

I've had a couple of freezes here and there. Mostly when switching apps, I'll get a freeze on the app that I'm switching to but have never had the phone completely freeze on me. It has been rock solid for the most part.
 

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So I have two little things which bothered me a bit.

The first one - my Pixel froze entirely twice this week and I had to reboot it as it was not responding to any commands. Once it even rebooted itself, but still was not responsive. While bothering, this has only happened using one particular dating app, so maybe it is just a sign from above I should leave it and be forever alone 😂 anyways, this has never happened on the N20U over the two years I had it, so Pixel is losing in the ranking of my favorite phones so far. I actually thought I would possibly go back to iPhone when the time comes to replace my phone and then ultimately decide, what I like best and just stick to it - so an iPhone, a Samsung or a Pixel.

The second one - what th is going on with the camera glass issue? Has anyone done more reading on this? Are only people in very cold environments affected or is it just some typical '-gate' that just comes up for a moment and then disappears because in the end there were just a few, negligible complaints? Pretty interesting, as Google is not accepting warranty claims for that.
I have read that some people surmise the camera shatter problems are due to the metal around the glass expanding and contracting in response to temperature shifts to a degree that stresses the glass enclosed within.

My Samsung S21 Ultra had a strange internal stress crack appear in one of the lenses and I know I didn't do anything to put it there. This was after the prior year S20's had a reported spontaneous camera glass shatter problem similar to what's reported with the Pixel 7 Pro. Fortunately Samsung gave me full credit value on my trade in.
 

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My daughter has had her iphone 14 Pro brick hard. She awoke to a completely dead phone and we don't know how or why. I don't really know what my husband did exactly to get it working again. She's had some trouble with it, especially Bluetooth. My 14 Pro Max so far has been pretty good. It was my 13 Pro that was buggy. So I'm not sure if there's a hardware or software issue at play with the problems some of us are seeing.
Mine has done the same thing as your daughter's several times. Did it once while I was driving and using navigation through Carplay. Talk about a PITA. Had to pull over and do a hard reset. Had to do some combination of pressing the volume buttons and the power buttons but it finally came back to life.

I really want to love the 14PM. Was hoping for more from the dynamic island but its kind of a gimmick right now. I'm sure as apps are updated it will be more useful. As it stands I kinda prefer the notch on the 13PM right now.
 
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