My Non Retina Macbook is improved with Metal and it wasn't even that bad before! I updated my Mum's rMBP the other day and there is a definite difference. The Retina MacBooks always drove me crazy with animations, but under El Cap, that seems to have improved. Sadly I can't say the same about the A7 Airs and Minis I've used under iOS 9.
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My Non Retina Macbook is improved with Metal and it wasn't even that bad before! I updated my Mum's rMBP the other day and there is a definite difference. The Retina MacBooks always drove me crazy with animations, but under El Cap, that seems to have improved. Sadly I can't say the same about the A7 Airs and Minis I've used under iOS 9.
Might be, although if the stuttering occurred in the low power mode, that would be expected.
4:44 min, no difference, while it's stutter fest on 5S
Definitely. And then selling them into 2015 (the Touch 5 and Mini 1). The iPad Mini 1 outsold the Mini 2 and 3 for the first part of 2015, so they were still selling well up until their discontinuation. As I've said before around 40 percent of the iPad installed base is A5 iPad Mini/iPad 2s. Thats what happens when Apple is greedy and milks hardware.
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Maybe 9.2.1 has improvements as I just checked my 5 - on the first go it lagged to the extent that the control centre appeared without the animation, and it is not nearly as smooth as it is on the video if I drag it up quickly or even sometimes when I drag slowly or normally.
and Metal is Apples own "pride and joy" API , yet the non metal supported devices are showing that OpenGL runs smoother... I wonder how the UI would be on a 6s that used OpenGL for its graphics interface.
I don't deny that. But as i said, in a complex system like an OS some other variable like e.g. overly aggressive RAM management could influence or even cause this effect. I thinks it is just weird that this metal api seems to function so bad for system animations while it works very well in other areas and products.
The rMini 2 is definitely my last iPad. I should have sold it last year after the hardware exchange. Even the genius admitted that the system performance was not great, but he promised me that Apple working on it. And at least for 8.2-8.4.1 he was right. But now it is worse again. I really wonder why they are still selling it.
I don't know how Apple is going to deal with this situation in the future. Imo this is already holding back desktop class iPad applications. The A5 market is way to big to be left out. And the same crap will happen with the 1GB RAM A7/A8 devices. They knew from the beginning that the 64 architecture will consume more RAM than predecessors and yet they decided keep it at 1GB. This was a shortsighted profit driven decision that will cause severe problems in the future.
Dude, are you serious? Nobody is forcing anyone into buying a base model iPhone. It's pure marketing. Everybody knows 8GB or 16GB is too little for everyday use. The thought behind it is that the gap between 16GB and 100$ more for 64GB is pretty small, considering the phone already costs at least $600. Apple makes more profit on a 64GB phone, that's just sales.
That is true, while devs can choose not to support 32bit devices, they then loose out on a huge chunk of iPad users. Truth be told, personally its been great, its extended the life of my iPad, but it is an issue.
all (64bit) iOS devices should have had 2GB of ram from 2013 onwards.
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I bought my Mini 2 in early 2015 with 8.1 on it, and I was shocked how bad it was - As I've said before, my iPad 2 was pretty fluid up until iOS 7 (3rd update) yet my brand new iPad Mini (which was the same as the at the time top of the line Mini 3) was annoying, and yes things got better by 8.4, and I expected metal was going to bring that long awaited smooth performance.
That video must be watched in youtube app with minimum resolution of 720p 60 fps setting to make sense. That section from 3.37 to 3:53 is the ultimate summation of all our stutter and PO arguments. Once you see that stutter, you cannot unsee it and it kinda haunts you everytime as a gentle reminder that it's there. I don't think it would be so hard to fix whatever bug is causing that stutter if Apple tries. We have been shouting from rooftops to get it fixed since iOS 9 first beta. Less capable devices like 5 & 5c are butter smooth in that area.
But instead we get brickbats and dismissals on these forums. Few people cannot even handle it that such lapse by Apple exists in iOS 9 which they consider golden standard for mobile operating system. It does affect us. Throwing overpowered hardware to fix software inefficiency is never the right way forward. How long can they counter stutter and lag with better hardware? Somethings got to give! Apple seems to be taking all kinds of shortcuts lately.
I don't agree. You get brickbats and dismisalls because not everybody places the same importance on some areas. I could care less about cc stutter. Safari stutter, however, I would be shouting from the rooftops.
So PO basically consists of trivial framedrops in a few places that the vast majority of users don't even notice and many of those that do don't really care about? That's surely some "planned" genius and diabolical scheme on Apple's past that truly makes devices "obsolete".
Not for everybody. Not all people care about some of the things discussed in this thread.
Considering that these trivial stutters in a few places aren't something that the vast majority of typical Apple customers even notice (let alone care about), seems like they are not a factor when it comes to the whole OP aspect of it all (unless OP is aimed at the minuscule user population of rally picky users, which would be a rather silly scheme on Apple's part).
The cycle resets if you jump on the beta for the next version. If you do not you have a good 5-6 month
Exactly
and when we say "It's a Beta" they get all upset that the world Beta shouldn't be a free pass for all problems.
Seriously, I want to start every beta post with "It's not about you."Exactly
The cycle resets if you jump on the beta for the next version. If you do not you have a good 5-6 month
Exactly
1. When you said "...and when WE say 'It's a Beta'...", who exactly is/are we?
2. It might be a novice fashion to think that way, but it's even more of a fanboy fashion to think that the last Betas are gonna be very very different from the final public release, as if it's going to be a magical release with no stutters or bugs at all. Yeah right, because all the problems from 9.0 are solved at this point.
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It might be a novice fashion to think that way, but it's even more of a fanboy fashion to think that the last Betas are gonna be very very different from the final public release (and in this x.x.1 release, more betas are highly unlikely), as if it's going to be a magical release with no stutters or bugs at all. Yeah right, because all the problems from 9.0 are solved at this point.
Let's face something once and for all:Betas are the direction and shape that the final release is gonna take, so up to this point, is acceptable for people to have their faith up or down.
"We" would be the group of users who understand that the beta versions of iOS is not for "user review and feedback" but more for developers to get a head start to make their apps compatible. this is way before the public beta.
It might be nice for 32 bit device owners, but imagine how much better iOS and a lot of apps would be with a minimum requirement of 64bit, 2GB RAM and 32G storage. Those underpowered devices could have been easily dropped now, if Apple didn't decide to go for penny pinching. By the way, the 5C should have had also some kind of underclocked A7. It is a tweener, that has been sold way beyond a healthy product lifetime cycle. They already excluded it from content blockers by not offering a 32 bit framework (which actually worked quiet well during the beta). But now they can't easily drop it without taking a PR hit and cutting of a lot of other devices from the app store market. I really don't see an easy way out for Apple.
I'm sorry to hear that. I bought mine with 7.1 and it was overall a good experience and it certainly improved with 7.1.2. After that the UI performance never come close again (and even back there have been a few unresolved quirks). Right now I'm really disappointed with iOS 9 on this device. If i take the costs of both of my iPads into account, i could have bought another macbook instead, which would still be running great. A family member is still using my 13'' 2009 cMBP and it's still going strong for light task/office. In contrast to my iPads, the performance even improved with El Cap. And if i didn't like it, i could still downgrade it to Snow Leopard with the CD in the box. So yeah lesson learned, no more iPads for me.
Maybe you could pony up the difference since the difference is so small.
Its up to Apple to do so.The reason they keep the 16GB around when companies like Samsung already base their model on 32GB is because they know the sales of the 64GB variant would substantially decrease.The switch to 32GB would have a decimal point effect on Apple's margins as its VERY VERY cheap nowadays.Who was the moron at Apple who decided that 4K Video,a 12MP camera (which increases the size of photos from the original iPhone 6 which barely managed a few libraries to begin with),Live Photos would mix with 10GB of usable space which after installing the bare essentials like WhatsApp,Instagram and Google Maps decreases to 9.2GB.Hilariously,you can only capture like 10-15 minutes of 4K video on it before it fills up which makes it useless.Another example of Tim Cook placing profits before customer satisfaction.I can almost guarantee that if Steve Jobs were alive he would NEVER allow 4K and 16GB on a phone.
You do realise that "trivial"/insignificant drop over each iOS itineration significantly slows it down later right?A 0.8 second increase may not seem like much but over 2 iterations of iOS it becomes downright awful
As I said earlier,Windows Phone is the only OS I have seen which did not slow over time.My Lumia 920 actually scrolls AS smoothly as my iPhone 6 in webpages although loading of apps is slower.And that device is from 2012 which runs circles around the iPhone 4S in its current state.Too bad the apps are crap,otherwise MS deserves kudos for maintaning original device performance over 3 Windows releases unlike Apple
To be perfectly honest,a the composition of Apple customers are just plain cult fanboys who refuse to believe anything against Apple and the casual users who cant spot a difference between the iPhone 5C and iPhone 6 in speed.
The betas dont even have anything new for us to suggest the beta tag is responsible for the issues.I can almost guarantee next week this 9.2.1 "beta" would be a public release with the same build.iOS 9 is already done for.Most engineers are already probably focused on iOS 10 at the next WWWDC.iOS 8.4.1>iOS 9 in optimisation.My point still standsThe cycle resets if you jump on the beta for the next version. If you do not you have a good 5-6 month
Exactly
I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. People complain about iOS performance and bugs and what not. By the time Apple fixes bugs and polishes that version of iOS the same people already jump on to the next major iOS Beta.
example: People will complain how iOS 9 is buggy, slow, sluggish. By the time Apple fixes all the problems (iOS 9.x.x) instead of enjoying a polished iOS people will jump onto iOS 10 Beta 1 and the process will start over again.
It's like a never ending Beta experience for users here. I am saying "here" because I do not participate on other iOS forums and people in the real world around me stay away from betas.
That's dependent on when performance is tested on a product internally. Often, functionality and regression take priority over performance before the beta, because more than anything, you want a beta to work.
If you're trying to argue it's okay to complain about a beta, you don't understand the way large companies test and release software. You don't complain about a beta, you report bugs. Apple doesn't read blogs regarding betas. In fact, most of the blogs don't spend too much time talking about betas.
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