Planned obsolescence!

[dk001]

You may want them both, but whatever you have on your idevice is your reality and use case and on your note and surface.

Sadly true. Fast/Fast - Note 5. Slow/fast - 6S+
Still, I can "hope" for the 6S+

 

[JM]

and Metal is Apples own "pride and joy" API , yet the non metal supported devices are showing that OpenGL runs smoother... I wonder how the UI would be on a 6s that used OpenGL for its graphics interface.

I second that 5 stutters less than 5s. They really turned the 5s into a sub-standard product with iOS 9.

Oh well, there's possibly a new 4" coming out, and "newer apples are always better". Spend your money on a new Apple so the stutters go away. Why should Apple care about old devices? They only make money on new device purchases. Pay the Apple and worship: the religion has you. Apple will set you free and make you feel good. It makes me feel good to use a cool cellphone, that's why we're angry at our Apple god: it has failed us.

Here's a chuckle for your buckle:

 

[I7guy]

Its up to Apple to do so.The reason they keep the 16GB around when companies like Samsung already base their model on 32GB is because they know the sales of the 64GB variant would substantially decrease.The switch to 32GB would have a decimal point effect on Apple's margins as its VERY VERY cheap nowadays.Who was the moron at Apple who decided that 4K Video,a 12MP camera (which increases the size of photos from the original iPhone 6 which barely managed a few libraries to begin with),Live Photos would mix with 10GB of usable space which after installing the bare essentials like WhatsApp,Instagram and Google Maps decreases to 9.2GB.Hilariously,you can only capture like 10-15 minutes of 4K video on it before it fills up which makes it useless.Another example of Tim Cook placing profits before customer satisfaction.I can almost guarantee that if Steve Jobs were alive he would NEVER allow 4K and 16GB on a phone.


You do realise that "trivial"/insignificant drop over each iOS itineration significantly slows it down later right?A 0.8 second increase may not seem like much but over 2 iterations of iOS it becomes downright awful
As I said earlier,Windows Phone is the only OS I have seen which did not slow over time.My Lumia 920 actually scrolls AS smoothly as my iPhone 6 in webpages although loading of apps is slower.And that device is from 2012 which runs circles around the iPhone 4S in its current state.Too bad the apps are crap,otherwise MS deserves kudos for maintaning original device performance over 3 Windows releases unlike Apple



To be perfectly honest,a the composition of Apple customers are just plain cult fanboys who refuse to believe anything against Apple and the casual users who cant spot a difference between the iPhone 5C and iPhone 6 in speed.


The betas dont even have anything new for us to suggest the beta tag is responsible for the issues.I can almost guarantee next week this 9.2.1 "beta" would be a public release with the same build.iOS 9 is already done for.Most engineers are already probably focused on iOS 10 at the next WWWDC.iOS 8.4.1>iOS 9 in optimisation.My point still stands

Actually SJ would have sold an 8 gig model. Do you really think your "story" is everybody's use case; or did you just make something up in order to prove a point that's already moot.

 

[dk001]

Okay.

Seriously, you've basically just told me nothing. You have come up with nothing to prove that Apple is doing anything specific to make older phones run ****** beyond not coding well. I've shiwn evidence that it isn't even working as well as it should on things released recently. That kind of shows it isn't some planned Obselence but bad coding.

And that's not even taking into account the quick ramp up from crap SoC that the 4S had. It was good for its time, I guess, but ARM has evolved quickly over the past four years. So we have a crappy SoC from the 4S that can't handle the features being hurled at a modern OS with the fact that they haven't really been focusing on how hurling those features affects the performance of any of their systems.

It isn't a plan, it's a lack of good planning that's gotten us here.

MG - have you ever taken a decent BM course? To say Apple has a lack of good planning ... I would hope not. I have worked for a few big companies and planning was never in short supply. They almost without exception over-planned (or should I say over-scenario'd).

Design iPhone X. Use iOS v.X Planned iOS iteration cycle at X+z. (z <> Infinite)
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Now there they make a general marketing statement that they haven't lived up to in all respects for everyone.

Marketing statement or Marketing claim?

 

[Radon87000]

Actually SJ would have sold an 8 gig model. Do you really think your "story" is everybody's use case; or did you just make something up in order to prove a point that's already moot.

What I said regarding storage except for the SJ one are all facts.My point regarding planned obsolescence is not moot as I posted a video effectively showing it in action

 

[C DM]

MG - have you ever taken a decent BM course? To say Apple has a lack of good planning ... I would hope not. I have worked for a few big companies and planning was never in short supply. They almost without exception over-planned (or should I say over-scenario'd).

Design iPhone X. Use iOS v.X Planned iOS iteration cycle at X+z. (z <> Infinite)
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Marketing statement or Marketing claim?

Either way, the keyword there is "marketing".

 

[Michael Goff]

MG - have you ever taken a decent BM course? To say Apple has a lack of good planning ... I would hope not. I have worked for a few big companies and planning was never in short supply. They almost without exception over-planned (or should I say over-scenario'd).

Design iPhone X. Use iOS v.X Planned iOS iteration cycle at X+z. (z <> Infinite)
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Marketing statement or Marketing claim?

I didn't say they didn't have a business plan, just not a good one concerning how they're making iOS.
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What I said regarding storage except for the SJ one are all facts.My point regarding planned obsolescence is not moot as I posted a video effectively showing it in action

Where?

 

[C DM]

Its up to Apple to do so.The reason they keep the 16GB around when companies like Samsung already base their model on 32GB is because they know the sales of the 64GB variant would substantially decrease.The switch to 32GB would have a decimal point effect on Apple's margins as its VERY VERY cheap nowadays.Who was the moron at Apple who decided that 4K Video,a 12MP camera (which increases the size of photos from the original iPhone 6 which barely managed a few libraries to begin with),Live Photos would mix with 10GB of usable space which after installing the bare essentials like WhatsApp,Instagram and Google Maps decreases to 9.2GB.Hilariously,you can only capture like 10-15 minutes of 4K video on it before it fills up which makes it useless.Another example of Tim Cook placing profits before customer satisfaction.I can almost guarantee that if Steve Jobs were alive he would NEVER allow 4K and 16GB on a phone.


You do realise that "trivial"/insignificant drop over each iOS itineration significantly slows it down later right?A 0.8 second increase may not seem like much but over 2 iterations of iOS it becomes downright awful
As I said earlier,Windows Phone is the only OS I have seen which did not slow over time.My Lumia 920 actually scrolls AS smoothly as my iPhone 6 in webpages although loading of apps is slower.And that device is from 2012 which runs circles around the iPhone 4S in its current state.Too bad the apps are crap,otherwise MS deserves kudos for maintaning original device performance over 3 Windows releases unlike Apple



To be perfectly honest,a the composition of Apple customers are just plain cult fanboys who refuse to believe anything against Apple and the casual users who cant spot a difference between the iPhone 5C and iPhone 6 in speed.


The betas dont even have anything new for us to suggest the beta tag is responsible for the issues.I can almost guarantee next week this 9.2.1 "beta" would be a public release with the same build.iOS 9 is already done for.Most engineers are already probably focused on iOS 10 at the next WWWDC.iOS 8.4.1>iOS 9 in optimisation.My point still stands

Those things you mention are not cumulative as we've clearly seen with all kinds of issues being present in x.0 releases and mostly dealt with and improved on by the final x.y.z release of that major version. So what you are mentioning in relation to that doesn't really exist in that form.

As for Apple customers, it seems like you are missing the point there as well by quite a bit as most Apple customers are just typical people who are mostly not very technical and certainly don't have any care about being "fanboys" (there goes that pointless term again) or anything of the sort. They are people with normal lives that use their Apple products as they fit in their lives and mostly couldn't care less about something inconsecuquential like some frame drops in some menus that they likely don't even notice and often enough don't even know those menus even exist let alone use them. Just like they couldn't care less about standing up for iOS design or Apple or anything like that.

Most of the typical customers don't care about all this minutiae one way or another and would likely find it a waste of time if someone was even to try to talk to them about it because their devices work for them just fine and they don't care to think or spend any more time on them beyond that.

 

[dk001]

I agree. Don't upgrade beyond two OSes after the original that the iPhone came with. That is what I do by default since I upgrade every two years. This year was different since I moved to the S cycle and intend to stay on it.

The iPhone 4 that I had, I did not sell till way after its usefulness date. I sold it for $80.

That can become difficult especially when the older device versions are still offered as primary device sales via carriers. I can walk into my carrier and still get a 5S. So do I stop updating once I activate it considering 9.x is in play and the 5S originally launched with 7.x?
We need a better solution ....

 

[I7guy]

What I said regarding storage except for the SJ one are all facts.My point regarding planned obsolescence is not moot as I posted a video effectively showing it in action

Pretty much a moot point. 16 gig I'm guessing is the biggest seller. not everybody uses the phone the way you think they should or do.
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That can become difficult especially when the older device versions are still offered as primary device sales via carriers. I can walk into my carrier and still get a 5S. So do I stop updating once I activate it considering 9.x is in play and the 5S originally launched with 7.x?
We need a better solution ....

I have two 5s on 9.2 and am not sure why you think there is an issue.

 

[nj1266]

Sadly true. Fast/Fast - Note 5. Slow/fast - 6S+
Still, I can "hope" for the 6S+

My 6s+ is fast and works almost perfectly. Is there the occasional Facebook app freeze. Yes there is. But that is the Facebook app. It has always been miserable.

 

[nj1266]

For those who want to know how iOS 8.4.1 DEFINED fluidity for me watch this video and skip to 3:37 and watch the CC

That is your complaint!!!! A minor imperceptible stutter that you need to truly look for to find!!! I watched the video in total at first and then had to come back and read what the issue was about in order to locate the time spot on the video. You have a lot of time on your hands to worry about minor things like this.

 

[dk001]

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I have two 5s on 9.2 and am not sure why you think there is an issue.

This was in reference to limiting a users upgrade (OS) of an iDevice to 2.
You gotta keep up with the threads dude!

 

[nj1266]

That can become difficult especially when the older device versions are still offered as primary device sales via carriers. I can walk into my carrier and still get a 5S. So do I stop updating once I activate it considering 9.x is in play and the 5S originally launched with 7.x?
We need a better solution ....

How about you do not buy an older device? Why would you buy a 5s produced more than two years ago and expect to get flawless performance? The problem is your expectations and not the device. Spend a bit more and get the iPhone 6 instead. Or if you are cost conscious get an Android phone.

 

[dk001]

How about you do not buy an older device? Why would you buy a 5s produced more than two years ago and expect to get flawless performance? The problem is your expectations and not the device. Spend a bit more and get the iPhone 6 instead. Or if you are cost conscious get an Android phone.

Huh? Dude chill. Get with the conversation.
I never said "me". This was a situational. There is obviously a market for older "lower cost" iPhones as Apple keeps making/selling and the carriers keep funneling. Generally it is the cash restricted individuals (or they just like that specific model) who buy these via a carrier for $0 down plus tax (as applicable). Let's not forget the developing market areas too.
Anyway, this was in reference to the "only upgrade the OS 2x" comment(s).

 

[I7guy]

This was in reference to limiting a users upgrade (OS) of an iDevice to 2.
You gotta keep up with the threads dude!

Right. Why would think there would be an issue; freedom and all that.

 

[mauwrr]

IOS 9 is the best release in years; better than IOS 8 and ios 7. After IOS 8 I gave up on my ipad 2; under 9.2 it's now usable again.

I swapped my iPad 2 to iPad mini 2 because it became laggy with ios 9. It has been very unbearable. Too many issues.

 

[dk001]

Right. Why would think there would be an issue; freedom and all that.

Using the premise that to have the best use of my iPhone, I should only apply 2 OS upgrades.

• Buy the 5S back in 2013 on iOS7 - upgrade no farther than 9.x
• Buy the 5S from a reseller or carrier today (it could come with 7 or 8 or 9?) - upgrade to farther than 9, 10, or 11 if I follow the 2x premise.

Issue: the 2x application is more complex than it originally appears.

 

[I7guy]

Using the premise that to have the best use of my iPhone, I should only apply 2 OS upgrades.

• Buy the 5S back in 2013 on iOS7 - upgrade no farther than 9.x
• Buy the 5S from a reseller or carrier today (it could come with 7 or 8 or 9?) - upgrade to farther than 9, 10, or 11 if I follow the 2x premise.

Issue: the 2x application is more complex than it originally appears.

Okay, now it's clear...you want to use the "2x" upgrades and are not forcing it down anybody's throat. I guess there no time like the present.

 

[Armen]

Still waiting for the thread lock. This thread is 2 pages from name calling.

 

[danleon950410]

"We" would be the group of users who understand that the beta versions of iOS is not for "user review and feedback" but more for developers to get a head start to make their apps compatible. this is way before the public beta.

But public beta and dev beta having the exact same build number kind of drops your theory. Besides, i'm really sure Apple wants user feedback from EVERY beta, no matter if dev or public.
Of course, neither of them are daily drivers,i'll give you that. But still, there are lots of things Apple could look into between betas.

 

[Armen]

But public beta and dev beta having the exact same build number kind of drops your theory. Besides, i'm really sure Apple wants user feedback from EVERY beta, no matter if dev or public.
Of course, neither of them are daily drivers,i'll give you that. But still, there are lots of things Apple could look into between betas.

The public beta program is a more recent development. A few years ago people were paying money to get their UDID registered just to install the iOS betas and then come here to complain about it.

 

[danleon950410]

That's dependent on when performance is tested on a product internally. Often, functionality and regression take priority over performance before the beta, because more than anything, you want a beta to work.

If you're trying to argue it's okay to complain about a beta, you don't understand the way large companies test and release software. You don't complain about a beta, you report bugs. Apple doesn't read blogs regarding betas. In fact, most of the blogs don't spend too much time talking about betas.

When performance gets even worse, i'm having a hard time believing that. According to Gurman's early reports of iOS 9, those decisions are taken by execs (what to focus the team on, fixing things or new features)
Then the next updates are based supposedly on fixing things.

Yes, i'm aware of intenal testing and those things. But bug reports aside and the fact that lots of them aren't even given attention, people is gonna start to complain.
And you can perfectly complain if you've tried to reach them the good way (bug report) and the issue not only exists still but your inquire is literally never answered.

You know, this is bigger than you or me, this has lots of history behind. LOTS!
But don't trus me, trust legacy users and their posts. Not fanboys of course.

 

[nj1266]

Using the premise that to have the best use of my iPhone, I should only apply 2 OS upgrades.

• Buy the 5S back in 2013 on iOS7 - upgrade no farther than 9.x
• Buy the 5S from a reseller or carrier today (it could come with 7 or 8 or 9?) - upgrade to farther than 9, 10, or 11 if I follow the 2x premise.

Issue: the 2x application is more complex than it originally appears.

My advice is to not buy 2 year old mobile tech even if the manufacturer makes them available for sale. I know that Apple is greedy, but the consumer must accept some responsibility.

 

[Elisha]

Hardware companies need to sell hardware to make money. Not like they are making any money on software!