Planned obsolescence!

[thed0g]

iOS 9 has a lack of new features?

- Proactive Siri/Proactive apps on lock screen
- Content aware Siri ("remind me of this")
- Deep Search
- Low Power Mode
- Much improved Notes
- Improved email attachments
- Transit for Maps app
- iCloud Drive app
- Auto Discovering/Adding events from emails
- Depending on the carrier iOS 9 has brought wifi calling
- Wifi Assist
- Metal OS wide
- 3D Touch
- Live Photos
- Split Screen
- Slide Over
- PiP
- Safari Content Blockers
- News app
- App Thinning/Slicing
- Much Smaller overall iOS install/download size
- The ability to temporarily delete apps to make space for installing iOS and then re-installs the apps back
- Night Shift
- iCloud for iBooks
- Password/Touch ID protection for Notes (which can and probably will get expanded into more apps in iOS 10 and beyond)
- Multi User Education/Classroom app (which multi user can and probably will get expanded to iOS wide for iPads iOS 10 and beyond)

I'm probably even forgetting some, but that's a pretty extensive list of features iOS 9 has brought to us so far.

Those are mostly app updates then features. The other half are some things that look cool on WWDC keynote slide, but in practice rarely one notice it's even there. Siri Proactive ? I'm cracking up.

Also LOLd at "Metal OS wide" as a feature.

 

[_Refurbished_]

Steve Forstall refused to sign on to the Apple Maps apology that all the other executives signed on to. He refused to adopt the new design language that all other mobile OSes were adopting (Google, Windows adopted the same design language). He was not a team player. What would you do as a CEO if you had such an obstinate person on your team? Would you keep him and allow him to poison the team or would you get rid of him?

He was also in charge of the team that created the original iPhone software, which is the backbone of the devices you are using today. It's funny, if you change a few words from your comment.....sounds like you're talking about Steve Jobs and his stubborn personality.

Forstall was not a yes man. Difficult to work with? Most certainly. The best people in this industry have been difficult to work with. They are the ones pushing the industry forward. They should have done everything in their power to keep Forstall. Just because someone makes a few mistakes along the way, doesn't mean they aren't incredibly talented.

 

[C DM]

Another classic example of planned obsolescence is the blue light reduction and content blockers.There is no reason why 32 bit processors can't handle it as jailbroken 32 bit iPhones have performed it successfully

You not being able to think of a reason or not willing to doesn't mean there is no reason. Basic logic.

 

[I7guy]

I am telling you these devices are capable of both these features which Apple intentionally doesnt implement as they want these people to upgrade



How is this relevant to the discussion we are having in any way?

Of course Apple wants you to upgrade, why is that a secret? That is totally different than Apple sabotaging its software as has been claimed numerous times i.e. "Insert code to slow it down".

And you think the lack of these features on 32 bit devices will be an impetus to force an upgrade? My iPad 2 is going on 5 years; that's the impetus.

 

[Armen]

/beating dead horse.
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Those are mostly app updates then features. The other half are some things that look cool on WWDC keynote slide, but in practice rarely one notice it's even there. Siri Proactive ? I'm cracking up.

Also LOLd at "Metal OS wide" as a feature.

What do you think comes in an app update? new features and bug fixes.

Based on your statement my mom's iPhone 4S is the same as her 3GS because she didn't notice any new features.

Pro Active Siri is indeed a new feature by definition.

 

[Mac 128]

I am telling you these devices are capable of both these features which Apple intentionally doesnt implement as they want these people to upgrade

Sorry, I don't buy that as an argument for planned obsolescence. When a customer buys any product, they're buying what that product does at that moment, not what it may be capable of doing 4 years later. As long as that product continues to do what it always did, the customer expectation should not be greater. Expecting a customer to upgrade to get new features is not unreasonable.

Forcing an older device to run software which reduces its performance, is an actual issue, unless there's a really good reason for that upgrade, such as a security hole (which doesn't necessarily make it right either). But wanting some new feature a device wasn't originally sold with is not.

 

[Michael Goff]

Because he actually waited to make sure the releases were fully ready for public release rather then release half baked software like how 9.0,9.1 and 9.2 were .9.3 is what 9.0 should have been

And you think he would have somehow had the same team do 16 months worth of work in 12? Because he stuck to the same schedule.
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Another classic example of planned obsolescence is the blue light reduction and content blockers.There is no reason why 32 bit processors can't handle it as jailbroken 32 bit iPhones have performed it successfully

They likely coded them using Swift, which doesn't do 32 bit. It's that simple.
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Those are mostly app updates then features. The other half are some things that look cool on WWDC keynote slide, but in practice rarely one notice it's even there. Siri Proactive ? I'm cracking up.

Also LOLd at "Metal OS wide" as a feature.

Those are as much features as the normal 200 we got when SJ showed a new version of iOS or OS X.

 

[dk001]

Are we pretending iOS was perfect under SJ?

Perfect? No.
Many keep relaying to SJ and the past Apple. This is now TC's Apple and will be different.

 

[Michael Goff]

Perfect? No.
Many keep relaying to SJ and the past Apple. This is now TC's Apple and will be different.

Yeah. The difference between fewer bigger releases and many smaller ones is huge. I believe that what's happening now is better, though, for the average consumer. It isn't always perfect, but quick updates means more things for the consumer.

 

[dk001]

I'm laughing at how much complaints there are made here. On the Android side there is the complete mess with fragmentation (not even ONE percent of users is running the latest version), see it yourself at http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

The performance of iOS 9 on iPad 4 is good. All features that it contains work, and the only thing that is a bit laggy is the multitasking screen. But I don't care, as long as it doesn't crash or freeze its fine.

[RANT MODE ON]
What I do hate, is that some simple new features require iPad air or higher. Take for example the content blockers. They could have sped up web browsing on older devices but they are not supported. Another great example is the upcoming Nightshift mode. It's not supported on older devices but it can actually work on them. The solution was simple: I sideloaded f.lux today (thank you Google Drive user for hosting it after the take down and thank you OSx86 for getting an OS X VM) and that works great. That means that screen color adjustments are supported by 32-bit hardware, but official support for it is just not enabled.
[RANT MODE OFF]

It boils down that except for some weird decisions in terms of new feature support, current iOS versions perform well enough on older devices and Apple should continue to issue updates for them.

Just like Apple did with Siri and the 4 to 4S. The message at that time literally was that if you wanted to continue using it, dump your current iDevice and get a 4S. Had to jailbreak to get it back.
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Yeah. The difference between fewer bigger releases and many smaller ones is huge. I believe that what's happening now is better, though, for the average consumer. It isn't always perfect, but quick updates means more things for the consumer.

Quick is better. I just wish that the initial release was a bit more "finished".

 

[Michael Goff]

Just like Apple did with Siri and the 4 to 4S. The message at that time literally was that if you wanted to continue using it, dump your current iDevice and get a 4S. Had to jailbreak to get it back.
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Quick is better. I just wish that the initial release was a bit more "finished".

I think things are going to get better from now for a while, they seem to have started to make Metal work right.

 

[C DM]

Just like Apple did with Siri and the 4 to 4S. The message at that time literally was that if you wanted to continue using it, dump your current iDevice and get a 4S. Had to jailbreak to get it back.
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Quick is better. I just wish that the initial release was a bit more "finished".

For Siri wasn't there something about extra microphone noise reduction as well?

That said, for something like night shift or content blocking, couldn't it be simply because they are written using 64-bit libraries/frameworks and it's a simple 64-bit compatibility limitation and nothing nefarious or anything of the sort?

 

[Michael Goff]

For Siri wasn't there something about extra microphone noise reduction as well?

That said, for something like night shift or content blocking, couldn't it be simply because they are written using 64-bit libraries/frameworks and it's a simple 64-bit compatibility limitation and nothing nefarious or anything of the sort?

Like I said above, I'm guessing it was coded using Swift. There is no 32 bit Swift.

 

[dk001]

For Siri wasn't there something about extra microphone noise reduction as well?

That said, for something like night shift or content blocking, couldn't it be simply because they are written using 64-bit libraries/frameworks and it's a simple 64-bit compatibility limitation and nothing nefarious or anything of the sort?

There was that and some other incompatibility claims however for those of us who jailbroke and continued using it on the 4 it worked fine.

I can see the Swift issue however why not let an app in for legacy devices that does the same?

 

[C DM]

There was that and some other incompatibility claims however for those of us who jailbroke and continued using it on the 4 it worked fine.

I can see the Swift issue however why not let an app in for legacy devices that does the same?

Because an app would use APIs that are not available to developers and would control something that is systemwide and affects some things on the OS level. Again fairly established things when it comes to design of iOS since the beginning essentially.

As for working fine, just because it worked fine in the opinion of some doesn't mean it was up to the standards that Apple would have wanted. Perhaps it wouldn't have worked as well for many for them to complain and out Siri down because of it making the feature a failure in public perception?

The point is that there are all kinds of things that can be and often are in play. Sure implying that it's all a nefarious purposeful plan can fit the bill and seems "fun" to be an attractive idea to cling onto, but it really doesn't mean that it's the case just because of that, especially given how many other at the very least potential quite rational reasons can fit in just as well and usually better (even if people happen to not like or disagree with those reasons).

 

[George Waseem]

Perfect? No.
Many keep relaying to SJ and the past Apple. This is now TC's Apple and will be different.

Apple is a great company but I think that it started changing everything from designs to software after 2012. When Steve Jobs was there, software releases were more amazing and powerful with important features that helped us on a daily basis. Talking about design, one or two devices had a very cheap feeling design (iPad Air 1, iPad mini), anyways, designing at Apple started improving, iPad Air 2, mini 4 look and feel good and durable.

 

[teknikal90]

Those are mostly app updates then features. The other half are some things that look cool on WWDC keynote slide, but in practice rarely one notice it's even there. Siri Proactive ? I'm cracking up.

Also LOLd at "Metal OS wide" as a feature.

I'm loving proactivity on my phone....
and iOS 9 brings some welcome feature that I gladly upgraded my iphone 6 for.

 

[Michael Goff]

There was that and some other incompatibility claims however for those of us who jailbroke and continued using it on the 4 it worked fine.

I can see the Swift issue however why not let an app in for legacy devices that does the same?

I'm guessing without them controlling it, it'd be considered a security hole.

 

[teknikal90]

Another classic example of planned obsolescence is the blue light reduction and content blockers.There is no reason why 32 bit processors can't handle it as jailbroken 32 bit iPhones have performed it successfully

or apple has migrated to Swift and there is no 32 bit Swift...
why would they commit to writing apps in two different languages when every iphone from now on will only be 64bit?

 

[Radon87000]

Of course Apple wants you to upgrade, why is that a secret? That is totally different than Apple sabotaging its software as has been claimed numerous times i.e. "Insert code to slow it down".

And you think the lack of these features on 32 bit devices will be an impetus to force an upgrade? My iPad 2 is going on 5 years; that's the impetus.

Then explain one thing to me.Why is the iPhone 6 not as responsive on iOS 9 as it was on 8.4.1 .My Air 2 was monstrously fast on 8.4.1 .I would say its very fast on iOS 9.Face it.Apple knows the code which slows down the devices.They just focus on the newest devices to make sure it runs on em properly.By the time it optimises legacy devices,the customer has already been made to suffer so much that he already desires a new device by that time

And you think he would have somehow had the same team do 16 months worth of work in 12? Because he stuck to the same schedule.
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They likely coded them using Swift, which doesn't do 32 bit. It's that simple.
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Those are as much features as the normal 200 we got when SJ showed a new version of iOS or OS X.

Look its a known fact that iOS 6 and below had very few versions and none of them faced any show stopping issues.Dont forget the slide to upgrade bug which iOS 9 first faced and the countless issues iOS 8 and 7 faced.The older releases under Steve Jobs were pure bliss by comparison.The guy was doing something right.

Steve Jobs actually tolerated difficult people like Forstall which is part of the reason the iPhone sells as much as it does.This is straight from the Wiki

"Cook's aim since becoming CEO has been reported to be building a culture of harmony, which meant "weeding out people with disagreeable personalities—people Jobs tolerated and even held close, like Forstall," although others noted that "Apple's ability to innovate came from tension and disagreement." Steve Jobs was referred to as the "decider" who had the final say on products and features while he was CEO, reportedly keeping the "strong personalities at Apple in check by always casting the winning vote or by having the last word", so after Jobs' death many of these executive conflicts became public"

^The bolded above is the prime reason Apple came up with the iPhone in the first place.Otherwise like some of the members on here SJ would have told these difficult personalities to "get lost to Samsung/other OEMs if you dont agree with me"

For Siri wasn't there something about extra microphone noise reduction as well?

That said, for something like night shift or content blocking, couldn't it be simply because they are written using 64-bit libraries/frameworks and it's a simple 64-bit compatibility limitation and nothing nefarious or anything of the sort?

Its very easy to enable content blockers,3d touch context menus and even F.lux like apps with a jailbreak.If these budget developers can unlock so much functionality,its next to nothing for Apple to do the same

 

[C DM]

or apple has migrated to Swift and there is no 32 bit Swift...
why would they commit to writing apps in two different languages when every iphone from now on will only be 64bit?

That is just too much of a rational explanation that is just too bland. It doesn't make for much of a discussion at all. Something more controversial and interesting has to be behind it so that we'd have something fun to debate.

 

[Michael Goff]

Then explain one thing to me.Why is the iPhone 6 not as responsive on iOS 9 as it was on 8.4.1 .My Air 2 was monstrously fast on 8.4.1 .I would say its very fast on iOS 9.Face it.Apple knows the code which slows down the devices.They just focus on the newest devices to make sure it runs on em properly.By the time it optimises legacy devices,the customer has already been made to suffer so much that he already desires a new device by that time




Look its a known fact that iOS 6 and below had very few versions and none of them faced any show stopping issues.Dont forget the slide to upgrade bug which iOS 9 first faced and the countless issues iOS 8 and 7 faced.The older releases under Steve Jobs were pure bliss by comparison.The guy was doing something right.

And unlike certain people here who tells us "This is Tim Cook's Apple and not SJ so get lost to Android" ,Steve Jobs actually tolerated difficult people like Forstall which is part of the reason the iPhone sells as much as it does.This is straight from the Wiki

"Cook's aim since becoming CEO has been reported to be building a culture of harmony, which meant "weeding out people with disagreeable personalities—people Jobs tolerated and even held close, like Forstall," although others noted that "Apple's ability to innovate came from tension and disagreement." Steve Jobs was referred to as the "decider" who had the final say on products and features while he was CEO, reportedly keeping the "strong personalities at Apple in check by always casting the winning vote or by having the last word", so after Jobs' death many of these executive conflicts became public"

^The bolded above is the prime reason Apple came up with the iPhone in the first place.Otherwise like some of the members on here SJ would have told these difficult personalities to "get lost to Samsung/other OEMs if you dont agree with me"



Its very easy to enable content blockers,3d touch context menus and even F.lux like apps with a jailbreak.If these budget developers can unlock so much functionality,its next to nothing for Apple to do the same

Except those people work at Apple. And they don't think that Apple is actively working against them.

Edit: As for whether or not Apple could code in Objectuve C and make it 32 bit? Most likely. Also irrelevant. They're pushing to try to use their own language everywhere.

 

[C DM]

Then explain one thing to me.Why is the iPhone 6 not as responsive on iOS 9 as it was on 8.4.1 .My Air 2 was monstrously fast on 8.4.1 .I would say its very fast on iOS 9.Face it.Apple knows the code which slows down the devices.They just focus on the newest devices to make sure it runs on em properly.By the time it optimises legacy devices,the customer has already been made to suffer so much that he already desires a new device by that time




Look its a known fact that iOS 6 and below had very few versions and none of them faced any show stopping issues.Dont forget the slide to upgrade bug which iOS 9 first faced and the countless issues iOS 8 and 7 faced.The older releases under Steve Jobs were pure bliss by comparison.The guy was doing something right.

Steve Jobs actually tolerated difficult people like Forstall which is part of the reason the iPhone sells as much as it does.This is straight from the Wiki

"Cook's aim since becoming CEO has been reported to be building a culture of harmony, which meant "weeding out people with disagreeable personalities—people Jobs tolerated and even held close, like Forstall," although others noted that "Apple's ability to innovate came from tension and disagreement." Steve Jobs was referred to as the "decider" who had the final say on products and features while he was CEO, reportedly keeping the "strong personalities at Apple in check by always casting the winning vote or by having the last word", so after Jobs' death many of these executive conflicts became public"

^The bolded above is the prime reason Apple came up with the iPhone in the first place.Otherwise like some of the members on here SJ would have told these difficult personalities to "get lost to Samsung/other OEMs if you dont agree with me"



Its very easy to enable content blockers,3d touch context menus and even F.lux like apps with a jailbreak.If these budget developers can unlock so much functionality,its next to nothing for Apple to do the same

Just because something can be done doesn't mean that it's done in the best way possible, or doesn't affect anything else in some way, or does things within the realm of established guidelines and rules of the ecosystem. Seems like all of that has already been addressed.

 

[Radon87000]

That is just too much of a rational explanation that is just too bland. It doesn't make for much of a discussion at all. Something more controversial and interesting has to be behind it so that we'd have something fun to debate.

Correct me if I am wrong but Firefox is coded in Swift and is available for 32 bit devices

 

[Michael Goff]

Correct me if I am wrong but Firefox is coded in Swift and is available for 32 bit devices

http://www.imore.com/craig-federighi-discusses-open-sourcing-swift-talk-show

"And the 32-bit runtime doesn't actually support Swift right now."

So I don't know how it would.