Planned obsolescence!

[C DM]

Or it could be because Metal wasn't ready for prime time and it's being used to push the UI. The lesser stutter is a sign that the 6S is muscling its way through something that isn't coded as well as it should be. The fact that the 6S has stutter at all proves it isn't some big conspiracy. Why would they obsolete a product that's their newest product?

Well, conspiracy theories hold up when all the "little" things that just get in the way are ignored.

 

[Act3]

You are just wasting your time and pissing the rest of us off with your constant whining.

If it is that bad, why are you clicking on a forum thread called "planned obsolescence"... What kind of discussion did you expect in this thread?

If it is pissing you off ( not sure who the "rest of us" is) Don't click or tap the link, Done. Full control of it.

 

[stulaw11]

Please read what I said. And then read it again and again. I will type it one more time so it can sink in: Apple creates one new iPhone model per year, a large one and a small one. Apple optimizes the new iOS to that new hardware. You cannot expect them to sell new hardware using software optimized to old hardware. Apple is in the business of making money. They do not have enough engineers or time to optimize the new iOS to ALL the hardware (5, 5s, 5c, 6, 6 plus, all the other iPads). So Apple optimizes to the newest hardware. Then Apple works backwards to optimize the iOS to older hardware. They introduce updates either every months or every two months. By the time the iOS is on its fourth major update, it has become fully optimized to almost all the legacy hardware.

That is the way it works in Tim Cook's Apple. If you do not like that then you have the following options:

1. Send letters directly to Apple complaining about it and get the board of directors to fire Tim. Complaining to us on this forum gets you nowhere. You are just wasting your time and pissing the rest of us off with your constant whining.

2. Sell all your Apple devices and go buy something else. There are a lot of good smartphones and laptops out there. Samsung Galaxy series has matured and is really good. Dell introduced a fantastic new laptop that rivals the MacBook. Vote with your wallet. If a lot of people do the same, then Apple would listen.

best post of the tread, drop mic and /thread.

 

[dk001]

Or it could be because Metal wasn't ready for prime time and it's being used to push the UI. The lesser stutter is a sign that the 6S is muscling its way through something that isn't coded as well as it should be. The fact that the 6S has stutter at all proves it isn't some big conspiracy. Why would they obsolete a product that's their newest product?

I wouldn't (personally) include Metal in the PO. That to me is more of (you called it) rolling it out too soon.

 

[Michael Goff]

I wouldn't (personally) include Metal in the PO. That to me is more of (you called it) rolling it out too soon.

Yeah, they should have let it bake for a good 3 more years. Also, had a brain fart of a second with PO.

 

[dk001]

Yeah, they should have let it bake for a good 3 more years. Also, had a brain fart of a second with PO.

Chuckle - When I see that I think of (in order):

• Production Order
• Purchase Order
• Pi$$ed Off

Had to roll it out for this - I got tired of spelling it out

 

[Michael Goff]

I'm

Chuckle - When I see that I think of (in order):

• Production Order
• Purchase Order
• Pi$$ed Off

Had to roll it out for this - I got tired of spelling it out

I'm in this thread so much, might as well make it a keyboard shortcut.

 

[sanke1]

best post of the tread, drop mic and /thread.

I think that post reeks of irony.

If after 4 point updates, iOS is considered to be stable/mature whatever, how many months we get before next buggy version is forced on us? 2-3 months tops. Then the cycle continues.

Especially with iOS 9, Apple promised better performance. They were not specific whether they were targetting core system or UI or both. What we got was completely opposite and hence this thread. No one likes being lied to.

It is easy to say "fu** off to Android" but no one cares about the money required to buy all those apps again amassed over last 5 years. One gets sucked deep into the ecosystem so demanding better quality software remains the only option.

To be honest, none of the Android manufacturers match Apple's hardware and after sales service quality. Even Galaxy S6's hardware is a lottery pick. "Switch to Android" suggestion is mere trolling or rather an insult. I am guilty of it in the past.

Some Apple fanboys and fangirls blindly give a like to whatever is said in defense of Apple. But that would make Apple further complacent if people's expectations are lowered.

 

[I7guy]

I think that post reeks of irony.

If after 4 point updates, iOS is considered to be stable/mature whatever, how many months we get before next buggy version is forced on us? 2-3 months tops. Then the cycle continues.

Especially with iOS 9, Apple promised better performance. They were not specific whether they were targetting core system or UI or both. What we got was completely opposite and hence this thread. No one likes being lied to.

It is easy to say "fu** off to Android" but no one cares about the money required to buy all those apps again amassed over last 5 years. One gets sucked deep into the ecosystem so demanding better quality software remains the only option.

To be honest, none of the Android manufacturers match Apple's hardware and after sales service quality. Even Galaxy S6's hardware is a lottery pick. "Switch to Android" suggestion is mere trolling or rather an insult. I am guilty of it in the past.

Some Apple fanboys and fangirls blindly give a like to whatever is said in defense of Apple. But that would make Apple further complacent if people's expectations are lowered.

Interesting to see the likers given to posts reeking of opinions stated as absolute facts.

This has been the cycle for years, nobody should be surprised. And no one was lied to. iOS 9.0 was shown by benchmarks to be faster than iOS 8 and in one critical area, a massive improvement was noticed. Apple didn't spell out exactly where there would be performance improvements for a good reason.

And when you start the name calling with "fanboy" you are either a "fanboy" or ?. Hint, it's the opposite of a rational and logical poster.

 

[Radon87000]

Personally I find the Nexus model much better than the iOS one.I am switching OS versions on the fly with no hassle and no data loss.The Nexus Root Toolkit is so simple with a big button for amateurs.Which is why Planned obsolescence has no scope to exist as I have the ability to downgrade for that model to work successfully and I get Android updates on Day 1

 

[Act3]

Interesting to see the likers given to posts reeking of opinions stated as absolute facts.

This has been the cycle for years, nobody should be surprised. And no one was lied to. iOS 9.0 was shown by benchmarks to be faster than iOS 8 and in one critical area, a massive improvement was noticed. Apple didn't spell out exactly where there would be performance improvements for a good reason.

And when you start the name calling with "fanboy" you are either a "fanboy" or ?. Hint, it's the opposite of a rational and logical poster.

They didn't?

"Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life, and tighter security. So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."

http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/?cid=wwa-us-kwg-features

 

[nj1266]

I think that post reeks of irony.

If after 4 point updates, iOS is considered to be stable/mature whatever, how many months we get before next buggy version is forced on us? 2-3 months tops. Then the cycle continues.

Especially with iOS 9, Apple promised better performance. They were not specific whether they were targetting core system or UI or both. What we got was completely opposite and hence this thread. No one likes being lied to.

It is easy to say "fu** off to Android" but no one cares about the money required to buy all those apps again amassed over last 5 years. One gets sucked deep into the ecosystem so demanding better quality software remains the only option.

To be honest, none of the Android manufacturers match Apple's hardware and after sales service quality. Even Galaxy S6's hardware is a lottery pick. "Switch to Android" suggestion is mere trolling or rather an insult. I am guilty of it in the past.

Some Apple fanboys and fangirls blindly give a like to whatever is said in defense of Apple. But that would make Apple further complacent if people's expectations are lowered.

You have options:

1. Do not update to the latest iOS. Apple does not force an update on you. You have to press the update icon on you iPhone. Don't do it. Stay on the old iOS. With Android the carrier forces the update on. You have no choice. You can reject it a couple of times, but then like it or not the update is forced on you.

2. When the new iOS is introduced, do not install it. You should know from iOS 7, 8, and 9 that it will be buggy. Wait until at least two 0.x updates and then install it. For example, wait for 8.4 before you install it and then wait 9.2 before you install it. That gives you almost a year to enjoy the new OS. This way you cannot whine about enjoying a bug free OS for 2-3 months only.

 

[I7guy]

They didn't?

"Under-the-hood refinements bring you more responsive performance, easier updates, better battery life, and tighter security. So your device works that much better — for everything you do with it."

http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/?cid=wwa-us-kwg-features

Sounds like general improvements to me. As soon as I loaded iOS 9 onto my iPad 2 I thought it was better than 8.4.1. So as far as I go they got a thumbs up.

Is that to say with 50 million eligible devices 100% of the people will be happy? History shows us the answer is a rounding no, but that doesn't mean that Apple didn't meet its goals. If you want to be picky, they didn't say what release.

 

[sanke1]

You have options:

1. Do not update to the latest iOS. Apple does not force an update on you. You have to press the update icon on you iPhone. Don't do it. Stay on the old iOS. With Android the carrier forces the update on. You have no choice. You can reject it a couple of times, but then like it or not the update is forced on you.

2. When the new iOS is introduced, do not install it. You should know from iOS 7, 8, and 9 that it will be buggy. Wait until at least two 0.x updates and then install it. For example, wait for 8.4 before you install it and then wait 9.2 before you install it. That gives you almost a year to enjoy the new OS. This way you cannot whine about enjoying a bug free OS for 2-3 months only.

I did exactly that with my iPad Air 1. The moment iOS 8 came out, it was totally obsolete. It even used to reboot everyday. Apple fixed reboot problem good 4 months later. I trialed 8.0 for a week and downgraded immediately. I sold it still on iOS 7 and the dude over OLX thanked me as I had kept it on iOS 7.1.2.

I learnt a big lesson when it comes to iDevices. Never purchase crippled gen 1 devices when new design is introduced.

1. iPhone 1
2. iPhone 6/6 Plus
3. iPad 3
4. iPad Air 1
5. Apple Watch 1

All these above products had an extremely poor usable life and came out with crippled hardware.

Now I decide which Apple product to buy based on iAnandtech's comparison charts. Obvious Apple favoritism aside, they provide pure numbers for us to base our decision. Naturally 6S was a must buy coming from 5c and 5s.

Planned Obsolescence exists. But we need to do more research and our buying must be carefully timed. That is the only way we can workaround this issue. Whether Apple cripples the mighty 6S with iOS 10 is an issue for next year.

Bye bye impulse buying.

 

[Radon87000]

I didn't know that Apple was synonymous with planned sabotage on google searches. That's as much of a fact as one could ever hope to post. /s Learn something new everyday. Reminds me of Paul McCartney proof positive rumors in the abbey road days that he was dead because he walked across the road in bare feet.

Connecting the circumstantial dots does not create a fact.

The Google searches break down how Apple makes planned obsolescence work.Its actually an interesting read and many even explain how Apple is the only manufacturer capable of implementing this strategy successfully.For example,the link I posted above.I am telling you facts when I say iOS 9.2 is NOT faster than 8.4.1 on iPhone 6.It was marketed to be faster and in practice,performs worse and the stutters seem to be intentional code coded in so that the 6S won't have trouble executing the same day.

Also circumstantial evidence does decide cases in court so you are wrong on that one

Please read what I said. And then read it again and again. I will type it one more time so it can sink in: Apple creates one new iPhone model per year, a large one and a small one. Apple optimizes the new iOS to that new hardware. You cannot expect them to sell new hardware using software optimized to old hardware. Apple is in the business of making money. They do not have enough engineers or time to optimize the new iOS to ALL the hardware (5, 5s, 5c, 6, 6 plus, all the other iPads). So Apple optimizes to the newest hardware. Then Apple works backwards to optimize the iOS to older hardware. They introduce updates either every months or every two months. By the time the iOS is on its fourth major update, it has become fully optimized to almost all the legacy hardware.

That is the way it works in Tim Cook's Apple. If you do not like that then you have the following options:

1. Send letters directly to Apple complaining about it and get the board of directors to fire Tim. Complaining to us on this forum gets you nowhere. You are just wasting your time and pissing the rest of us off with your constant whining.

2. Sell all your Apple devices and go buy something else. There are a lot of good smartphones and laptops out there. Samsung Galaxy series has matured and is really good. Dell introduced a fantastic new laptop that rivals the MacBook. Vote with your wallet. If a lot of people do the same, then Apple would listen.

It's easy to say Vote with your Wallet but do you realise the difficulties in practice?

First if all I have a **** ton of paid apps which I would have to buy again when I move to Android.My game progress will be reset.Macs do not play nice with Android devices.I will have a harrowing experience trying to even get contacts to work.Let me tell you my experience I faced many years back when we were switching to Android

Contacts... them bloody Apple contacts! When I switched my dad over, he had a Google account with gmail and everything, I could not understand why hundreds of his contacts did not get uploaded to google. I mostly ended up ignoring the problem, and my dad would voice his frustration every now and then over it, but I assumed I needed to use his old apple phone, connect to itunes, and bla bla bla. We never got around to doing that due to time and having the hardware needed at the time. Not to go into too much detail, but my dad only has the phone as his internet access gadget.

When my mom was starting to have issues with her phone, I decided to give her my old N5 and switch her over to Android as well to better help support her. We ran into the EXACT same issue. Apple refused to give up all of her contacts. At this point, I refused to give up or let her leave till we solved this issue.
Doing some rapid research into the Apple ecosystem, I discovered Apple Cloud stored contacts, photos, etc. Praise the Lord, I could just go on there and export the contacts, then import them into Google. But Apple had one more shaft ready for me hidden up its sleeve. The contacts wouldn't export!
another 20-30 minutes later, I discovered the only way to export this common CSV, was through Safari..... "you're f**king kidding me!"

And I haven't even gotten started on how much of a bitch migrating iMessage

Or it could be because Metal wasn't ready for prime time and it's being used to push the UI. The lesser stutter is a sign that the 6S is muscling its way through something that isn't coded as well as it should be. The fact that the 6S has stutter at all proves it isn't some big conspiracy. Why would they obsolete a product that's their newest product?

Because the 6S stutters do NOT break the experience.I have used it and the lags are very infrequent in nature

Interesting to see the likers given to posts reeking of opinions stated as absolute facts.

This has been the cycle for years, nobody should be surprised. And no one was lied to. iOS 9.0 was shown by benchmarks to be faster than iOS 8 and in one critical area, a massive improvement was noticed. Apple didn't spell out exactly where there would be performance improvements for a good reason.

And when you start the name calling with "fanboy" you are either a "fanboy" or ?. Hint, it's the opposite of a rational and logical poster.

Your benchmarks are Sunspider lab tests which do NOT showcase tangible performance improvements.My benchmarks are frames shown by Xcode and startup times where 8.4.1 absolutely demolishes iOS 9

You have options:

1. Do not update to the latest iOS. Apple does not force an update on you. You have to press the update icon on you iPhone. Don't do it. Stay on the old iOS. With Android the carrier forces the update on. You have no choice. You can reject it a couple of times, but then like it or not the update is forced on you.

You are terribly misinformed there.On Android I can permanently remove even the update indicator unlike on iOS where you have to stare at that sore red "1" all day.And even if I do upgrade Android makes it very easy to restore it to the old version countless times.My Nexus 7 2013 was downgraded to Lollipop just yesterday because of cellular issues while my N5 is still on Marshmallow.Apple needs to realise fragmentation can be useful in many ways

2. When the new iOS is introduced, do not install it. You should know from iOS 7, 8, and 9 that it will be buggy. Wait until at least two 0.x updates and then install it. For example, wait for 8.4 before you install it and then wait 9.2 before you install it. That gives you almost a year to enjoy the new OS. This way you cannot whine about enjoying a bug free OS for 2-3 months only.

Even the final version of iOS 9 still won't be as fast as 8.4.1 unless Apple gets serious about real using that customers who own one year old flagships exist

Sounds like general improvements to me. As soon as I loaded iOS 9 onto my iPad 2 I thought it was better than 8.4.1. So as far as I go they got a thumbs up.

Is that to say with 50 million eligible devices 100% of the people will be happy? History shows us the answer is a rounding no, but that doesn't mean that Apple didn't meet its goals. If you want to be picky, they didn't say what release.

They specifically stated "smoother scrolling and faster performance" both of which are incorrect

 

[C DM]

I think that post reeks of irony.

If after 4 point updates, iOS is considered to be stable/mature whatever, how many months we get before next buggy version is forced on us? 2-3 months tops. Then the cycle continues.

Especially with iOS 9, Apple promised better performance. They were not specific whether they were targetting core system or UI or both. What we got was completely opposite and hence this thread. No one likes being lied to.

It is easy to say "fu** off to Android" but no one cares about the money required to buy all those apps again amassed over last 5 years. One gets sucked deep into the ecosystem so demanding better quality software remains the only option.

To be honest, none of the Android manufacturers match Apple's hardware and after sales service quality. Even Galaxy S6's hardware is a lottery pick. "Switch to Android" suggestion is mere trolling or rather an insult. I am guilty of it in the past.

Some Apple fanboys and fangirls blindly give a like to whatever is said in defense of Apple. But that would make Apple further complacent if people's expectations are lowered.

2-3 months meaning almost three times as much, given that the next major iOS version is closer to about 9 months away?
[doublepost=1452785635][/doublepost]

The Google searches break down how Apple makes planned obsolescence work.Its actually an interesting read and many even explain how Apple is the only manufacturer capable of implementing this strategy successfully.For example,the link I posted above.I am telling you facts when I say iOS 9.2 is NOT faster than 8.4.1 on iPhone 6.It was marketed to be faster and in practice,performs worse and the stutters seem to be intentional code coded in so that the 6S won't have trouble executing the same day.

Also circumstantial evidence does decide cases in court so you are wrong on that one


It's easy to say Vote with your Wallet but do you realise the difficulties in practice?

First if all I have a **** ton of paid apps which I would have to buy again when I move to Android.My game progress will be reset.Macs do not play nice with Android devices.I will have a harrowing experience trying to even get contacts to work.Let me tell you my experience I faced many years back when we were switching to Android

Contacts... them bloody Apple contacts! When I switched my dad over, he had a Google account with gmail and everything, I could not understand why hundreds of his contacts did not get uploaded to google. I mostly ended up ignoring the problem, and my dad would voice his frustration every now and then over it, but I assumed I needed to use his old apple phone, connect to itunes, and bla bla bla. We never got around to doing that due to time and having the hardware needed at the time. Not to go into too much detail, but my dad only has the phone as his internet access gadget.

When my mom was starting to have issues with her phone, I decided to give her my old N5 and switch her over to Android as well to better help support her. We ran into the EXACT same issue. Apple refused to give up all of her contacts. At this point, I refused to give up or let her leave till we solved this issue.
Doing some rapid research into the Apple ecosystem, I discovered Apple Cloud stored contacts, photos, etc. Praise the Lord, I could just go on there and export the contacts, then import them into Google. But Apple had one more shaft ready for me hidden up its sleeve. The contacts wouldn't export!
another 20-30 minutes later, I discovered the only way to export this common CSV, was through Safari..... "you're f**king kidding me!"

And I haven't even gotten started on how much of a bitch migrating iMessage


Because the 6S stutters do NOT break the experience.I have used it and the lags are very infrequent in nature


Your benchmarks are Sunspider lab tests which do NOT showcase tangible performance improvements.My benchmarks are frames shown by Xcode and startup times where 8.4.1 absolutely demolishes iOS 9


You are terribly misinformed there.On Android I can permanently remove even the update indicator unlike on iOS where you have to stare at that sore red "1" all day.And even if I do upgrade Android makes it terribly easy to restore it to the old version countless times.My Nexus 7 2013 was downgraded to Lollipop just yesterday because of cellular issues while my N5 is still on Marshmallow.Apple needs to realise fragmentation can be useful in many ways

Even the final version of iOS 9 still won't be as fast as 8.4.1 unless Apple gets serious about real using that customers who own one year old flagships exist

They specifically stated "smoother scrolling and faster performance" both of which are incorrect

It's funny how facts kept on being met mentioned when an earlier discussion about that very thing--about factual things--has conclusively demonstrated that plenty of things that were pretty much the oppsite of facts were being lumped and used in all of that. The continued refrences to facts just further keeps on undermining anything that might be said after all that.

 

[I7guy]

Sounds like general improvements to me. As soon as I loaded iOS 9 onto my iPad 2 I thought it was better than 8.4.1. So as far as I go they got a thumbs up.

The Google searches break down how Apple makes planned obsolescence work.Its actually an interesting read and many even explain how Apple is the only manufacturer capable of implementing this strategy successfully.For example,the link I posted above.I am telling you facts when I say iOS 9.2 is NOT faster than 8.4.1 on iPhone 6.It was marketed to be faster and in practice,performs worse and the stutters seem to be intentional code coded in so that the 6S won't have trouble executing the same day.

Also circumstantial evidence does decide cases in court so you are wrong on that one


It's easy to say Vote with your Wallet but do you realise the difficulties in practice?

First if all I have a **** ton of paid apps which I would have to buy again when I move to Android.My game progress will be reset.Macs do not play nice with Android devices.I will have a harrowing experience trying to even get contacts to work.Let me tell you my experience I faced many years back when we were switching to Android

Contacts... them bloody Apple contacts! When I switched my dad over, he had a Google account with gmail and everything, I could not understand why hundreds of his contacts did not get uploaded to google. I mostly ended up ignoring the problem, and my dad would voice his frustration every now and then over it, but I assumed I needed to use his old apple phone, connect to itunes, and bla bla bla. We never got around to doing that due to time and having the hardware needed at the time. Not to go into too much detail, but my dad only has the phone as his internet access gadget.

When my mom was starting to have issues with her phone, I decided to give her my old N5 and switch her over to Android as well to better help support her. We ran into the EXACT same issue. Apple refused to give up all of her contacts. At this point, I refused to give up or let her leave till we solved this issue.
Doing some rapid research into the Apple ecosystem, I discovered Apple Cloud stored contacts, photos, etc. Praise the Lord, I could just go on there and export the contacts, then import them into Google. But Apple had one more shaft ready for me hidden up its sleeve. The contacts wouldn't export!
another 20-30 minutes later, I discovered the only way to export this common CSV, was through Safari..... "you're f**king kidding me!"

And I haven't even gotten started on how much of a bitch migrating iMessage


Because the 6S stutters do NOT break the experience.I have used it and the lags are very infrequent in nature


Your benchmarks are Sunspider lab tests which do NOT showcase tangible performance improvements.My benchmarks are frames shown by Xcode and startup times where 8.4.1 absolutely demolishes iOS 9


You are terribly misinformed there.On Android I can permanently remove even the update indicator unlike on iOS where you have to stare at that sore red "1" all day.And even if I do upgrade Android makes it very easy to restore it to the old version countless times.My Nexus 7 2013 was downgraded to Lollipop just yesterday because of cellular issues while my N5 is still on Marshmallow.Apple needs to realise fragmentation can be useful in many ways

Even the final version of iOS 9 still won't be as fast as 8.4.1 unless Apple gets serious about real using that customers who own one year old flagships exist

They specifically stated "smoother scrolling and faster performance" both of which are incorrect

two points: until somebody proves Apple guilty of sabotaging their own devices in a court of law either criminally or civil court, they are innocent. No amount of google searches is going to change a lack of information from Apple.

Secondly: Apple didn't lay out a timeline for what model, when and what performance improvement. With people making up facts out of thin air, ignoring the truth and picking on apples wording its unfortunate these posts are down to this.

 

[Act3]

Secondly: Apple didn't lay out a timeline for what model, when and what performance improvement. With people making up facts out of thin air, ignoring the truth and picking on apples wording its unfortunate these posts are down to this.

"Faster and more responsive.
The apps in iOS 9 now take advantage of Metal, making more efficient use of the CPU and GPU to deliver faster scrolling, smoother animation, and better overall performance. Email, messages, web pages, and PDFs render faster. And multitasking features on iPad feel fluid and natural."

Speaking of making things up out of thin air and just quoting what Apple claims, why would there be a timeline if they claim "now" in their product description?

 

[Michael Goff]

The Google searches break down how Apple makes planned obsolescence work.Its actually an interesting read and many even explain how Apple is the only manufacturer capable of implementing this strategy successfully.For example,the link I posted above.I am telling you facts when I say iOS 9.2 is NOT faster than 8.4.1 on iPhone 6.It was marketed to be faster and in practice,performs worse and the stutters seem to be intentional code coded in so that the 6S won't have trouble executing the same day.

Also circumstantial evidence does decide cases in court so you are wrong on that one


It's easy to say Vote with your Wallet but do you realise the difficulties in practice?

First if all I have a **** ton of paid apps which I would have to buy again when I move to Android.My game progress will be reset.Macs do not play nice with Android devices.I will have a harrowing experience trying to even get contacts to work.Let me tell you my experience I faced many years back when we were switching to Android

Contacts... them bloody Apple contacts! When I switched my dad over, he had a Google account with gmail and everything, I could not understand why hundreds of his contacts did not get uploaded to google. I mostly ended up ignoring the problem, and my dad would voice his frustration every now and then over it, but I assumed I needed to use his old apple phone, connect to itunes, and bla bla bla. We never got around to doing that due to time and having the hardware needed at the time. Not to go into too much detail, but my dad only has the phone as his internet access gadget.

When my mom was starting to have issues with her phone, I decided to give her my old N5 and switch her over to Android as well to better help support her. We ran into the EXACT same issue. Apple refused to give up all of her contacts. At this point, I refused to give up or let her leave till we solved this issue.
Doing some rapid research into the Apple ecosystem, I discovered Apple Cloud stored contacts, photos, etc. Praise the Lord, I could just go on there and export the contacts, then import them into Google. But Apple had one more shaft ready for me hidden up its sleeve. The contacts wouldn't export!
another 20-30 minutes later, I discovered the only way to export this common CSV, was through Safari..... "you're f**king kidding me!"

And I haven't even gotten started on how much of a bitch migrating iMessage


Because the 6S stutters do NOT break the experience.I have used it and the lags are very infrequent in nature


Your benchmarks are Sunspider lab tests which do NOT showcase tangible performance improvements.My benchmarks are frames shown by Xcode and startup times where 8.4.1 absolutely demolishes iOS 9


You are terribly misinformed there.On Android I can permanently remove even the update indicator unlike on iOS where you have to stare at that sore red "1" all day.And even if I do upgrade Android makes it very easy to restore it to the old version countless times.My Nexus 7 2013 was downgraded to Lollipop just yesterday because of cellular issues while my N5 is still on Marshmallow.Apple needs to realise fragmentation can be useful in many ways

Even the final version of iOS 9 still won't be as fast as 8.4.1 unless Apple gets serious about real using that customers who own one year old flagships exist

They specifically stated "smoother scrolling and faster performance" both of which are incorrect

The fact that the lags and stutters are infrequent support the idea that the 6S is mostly able to muscle through poor coding. Also, the fact that there were a few posts here saying that the 5 doesn't stutter in places the 5S does implies it's something only the 5S and above have. What would it be that 5S and above have that changed in 9.0? That's right, Metal rendering the UI.

 

[dk001]

You have options:

1. Do not update to the latest iOS. Apple does not force an update on you. You have to press the update icon on you iPhone. Don't do it. Stay on the old iOS. With Android the carrier forces the update on. You have no choice. You can reject it a couple of times, but then like it or not the update is forced on you.

2. When the new iOS is introduced, do not install it. You should know from iOS 7, 8, and 9 that it will be buggy. Wait until at least two 0.x updates and then install it. For example, wait for 8.4 before you install it and then wait 9.2 before you install it. That gives you almost a year to enjoy the new OS. This way you cannot whine about enjoying a bug free OS for 2-3 months only.

Old rhetoric.
If I am a security conscious person I will upgrade shortly after launch unless a major problem pops up.
If I have updated apps that require the newer OS to allow access to current features functions I'll upgrade.

You can always say don't, however there are some that should or need to.
Saying "don't upgrade" is a cop out. By X.1 at the latest it should be a stable major bug free version.

 

[C DM]

Old rhetoric.
If I am a security conscious person I will upgrade shortly after launch unless a major problem pops up.
If I have updated apps that require the newer OS to allow access to current features functions I'll upgrade.

You can always say don't, however there are some that should or need to.
Saying "don't upgrade" is a cop out. By X.1 at the latest it should be a stable major bug free version.

Seems like most people have had a diary stable and major bug free experince with iOS 9 by around 9.1 or so (despite this X.1 being a rather arbitrary measuring point given that 9.1 came fairly quickly after 9.0).

 

[dk001]

The fact that the lags and stutters are infrequent support the idea that the 6S is mostly able to muscle through poor coding. Also, the fact that there were a few posts here saying that the 5 doesn't stutter in places the 5S does implies it's something only the 5S and above have. What would it be that 5S and above have that changed in 9.0? That's right, Metal rendering the UI.

I wonder what is so "broken" in Metal that requires the level of hardware in the 6S/6S+ to have to muscle through it? Almost seems oxymoronic in a way.

Seems like most people have had a diary stable and major bug free experince with iOS 9 by around 9.1 or so (despite this X.1 being a rather arbitrary measuring point given that 9.1 came fairly quickly after 9.0).

For me stability on my 6S+ (mostly) by 9.2. There are still some WTH?!? kinds of things.
On older models (6+, Mini3, iPad4) overall stability is still elusive.

 

[Michael Goff]

I wonder what is so "broken" in Metal that requires the level of hardware in the 6S/6S+ to have to muscle through it? Almost seems oxymoronic in a way.




For me stability on my 6S+ (mostly) by 9.2. There are still some WTH?!? kinds of things.
On older models (6+, Mini3, iPad4) overall stability is still elusive.

Same here. But given that some people are saying the latest bets is making their 5S run better, I'd say they started fixing it. Maybe the graphics API is just buggy?

 

[dk001]

Same here. But given that some people are saying the latest bets is making their 5S run better, I'd say they started fixing it. Maybe the graphics API is just buggy?

At this point - might be.
I'll be updating a 5S this weekend (extra device going to my daughter - she broke her 5) and will be interested in the outcome.
Now if they can fix the mail and other issues

 

[Michael Goff]

At this point - might be.
I'll be updating a 5S this weekend (extra device going to my daughter - she broke her 5) and will be interested in the outcome.
Now if they can fix the mail and other issues

I've given up on Apple fixing mail and moved to another app.