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Planned obsolescence!
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No but it does create the argument that Android releases speed up older phones but not iOS updates. On Android, you can easily spot crap that causes issue if you know Linux and the places to look.
Can't do that on iOS now can you?
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First off, average Android users don't know Linux so the "fix your own car" approach of yours is pointless. I get so many blank stares when I tell a few people to root their phones and load custom roms.
Secondly, how are new releases of Android OS speeding up older phones when the brand new phones like the Galaxy S6 aren't even on the latest Android OS yet?
CD M is hardly an apologist if you ever bother to read his threads.
No, I don't have proof nor have I ever pretended I did. You completely missed the point. It all started with a comment along the lines of "Planned obsolescence is real. There's plenty of evidence to support that". And I asked for that evidence in the form of facts, since the statement was presented as a fact.
I'm saying I think it's a load of hogwash. I don't believe it. It doesn't make sense to me. Those are all opinions. My opinions in fact. I'm not claiming it's not true, but stating that in my opinion, I don't believe it to be true. As I mentioned previously, I don't work for Apple, so I really couldn't have anything other than an opinion. Plus whatever anecdotal evidence I've picked up on my own and in these forums. I can certainly make an educated guess. But I'm smart enough to know that I don't know the whole story and that it would be silly of me to invent what I don't know (I've been seeing a LOT of that happening). Thus I try to remember that while it might seem obvious to me, I could be wrong since I'm not in possession of all the facts of the case.
Providing facts to support my opinion is completely nonsensical and a task I have no intention of taking on. I don't need to provide evidence that my opinions are my opinions. If I made the claim that you're all idiots and clearly planned obsolescence is fake, then you could call me on my claims. I'd expect to be called out for those claims. But I didn't. I just provided my opinion. See the difference?
I didn't miss the point. The "planned obsolescence" has been around a long time. Last time I played with it was the original Siri debacle. Proving it, positively or negatively is currently not in our data set.
My mom was using a iPhone 3GS up until the end of last year. That's a 7 year old iPhone that was still fully functional. Where is the obsolescence there?
Two points, i did not claim sabotage, I am only offering a different word, i.e. synonym, for what was already said.Know a lot about .... snicker
No, seriously... Your stated opinion is "acceptance". There are a number of folks that fall into this bucket. Then there is the other bucket. Or two.
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I think your diatribe has one wrong word in it used multiple times and in multiple forms: Sabotage.
Planned obsolescence is not sabotage, it's a feature.
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You missed the third option: It runs. Be happy.
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Let's flip this... Do you have any proof it (planned obsolescence) doesn't exist? If so, then please trot out those facts.
Unless Apple is willing to come clean (one way or the other) and allow us access so we can verify it (one way or the other) this is a circumstantial vs. circumstantial case.
Point 2, there is no proof either way to support the notion of sabotage, there is a notion to support planned obsolescence, which is different than sabotage. There is no proof on sabotage either way except common sense dictates that is a very bad business practice for a lot of reasons.
Without planned obsolescence you wouldn't be able to buy manufactured goods at any affordable price.
Exactly! So don't act like you're reporting facts when you say that it's a real thing (or when you say it's not a real thing). "You" being the people in this thread. It would be a lot easier to have a calm and rational discussion if people would accept that you can neither prove, not disprove things and just discuss. There's no reason for outlandish claims.
Do you think complaining on this forum gets you anywhere? Do you think Apple even cares what you or I say? Apple is selling devices hand over fist. The company keeps breaking sales records yoy. Why would they listen to the very few complainers and whiners on this forum? If Apple was a struggling company, then they might listen and even that is not certain.
You can buy whatever you want. I just want you to understand how Apple operates. Apple cares way more about the new hardware and optimizes iOS to that. Then Apple works backwards on optimization for the old devices. If you want immediate iOS optimization, then get the newest iPhone. If you cannot afford it, then stick with the old device and wait until Apple optimizes IOS to it.
I really don't see this as an issue, iOS 9.x is coming to a close with 9.3 I think because I've seen the performance increase here on the 6s Plus and I'm assuming other iOS devices. The bigger Plus model of this years iPhone actually performed better in some of the benchmarks than the regular model, and with 9.3 you can see that the app switcher and 3D Touch menus etc all perform on par with the regular 6s (I've compared them side by side). We also see that the lag on iPad Pro (which has monster specs) has also been solved. I think it all comes back down to optimization and Apple obviously sees that it can do better and 9.3 shows this. After this release I don't expect any new features, just bug fixes before iOS 10 with an event coming in March.
Or you know, you can call them out on this BS. But I guess you rather be bent over and screwed over for money by a brand/company you don't even own. We have a word for that, but it's censored around here, so I'll note it as "masochism" but without the sex part.
No clue. Have a white one - battery lasts about 45 minutes when fully charged
.The first time I really looked at planned obsolescence from Apple was with the 4. I was upset at the "crap" Apple pulled with existing Siri users requiring an upgrade to the 4S if they still wanted the functionality.
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The only way to "call" out Apple is to vote with your wallet if you really dislike their business practices. With record breaking sales recently it seems not to many people are really unhappy with Apple.
So they are behaving exactly like Blackberry and Nokia used to in the pre smartphone era
Circumstantial "facts" like all here that are used to form an opinion on one side or the other. Based on my professional expertise, having been involved with designing a substantial number of products, the behavior of Apple to me "appears" to support "forced" upgrading, aka planned obsolescence.
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Will we see further optimization for legacy devices or will 9.3 be the finale?
I hope there will be for the current legacy device users.
Almost all analysts are predicting a drop in iPhone sales and even then that doesnt matter when someone like Justin Bieber shatters records
Call them out on what. That is Apple's business model as of iOS 7. Optimize the iOS to the newest hardware first, then work back to the older hardware. I am not the one complaining about it. I am perfectly satisfied by my iOS devices. Every iOS device that I had works really well. Is it perfect? No, but there is no perfection in this world. To expect perfection will leave you disappointed.
If you do not like the way Apple operates, then do not buy their products. It is that simple. Vote with your wallet. Buy something else that will cause you less angst and frustration. Constant complaints on this forum gets you nowhere.
Send a letter to Tim Cook calling him out. Write the board of directors of Apple and tell them to fire Tim Cook. Send bug reports to Apple. All of these are far more productive than complaining and whining on this forum.
It's more that I admire and respect Apple for having the temerity to do the things they do, and not only get away with it, but also prosper for it.
How can you not, when Apple has done the exact opposite of what "experts" claimed they ought to do, and history has shown that they were right all along? That's precisely what makes Apple so awesome in my book.
And it helps that their products do work very well for me, despite whatever flaws and shortcomings they may have.
Exactly right. Unless one wants to "gloat" on an online forum because Apple is such a "hated" company.
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Of course it exists. If planned obsolescence didn't exist manufactured products would be out of reach of most people. What doesn't exist is "planned sabotage" as you have directly stated in other posts. You should really look up the definition of planned obsolescence; it's a manufacturing concept that balances cost with product longevity. It is NOT a concept that manufacturers purposefully sabotage their product to force new sales. Apple doesn't have to force new sales if you haven't noticed.
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You should read this article.
http://blackbag.gawker.com/does-apple-ruin-your-iphone-on-purpose-the-conspiracy-1690649898
The company Apple is synonymous with planned obsolescence on Google searches for pages and pages.Spotlight Search lags on iPad Air 2.It didnt lag on 8.4.1 .It doesnt lag on iPad Pro.The iPhone 6S CC sttutter is nowhere near as horrible as the iPhone 6.The animation stutters are notably absent from the 6S.The evidence is all there in front of you
I didn't know that Apple was synonymous with planned sabotage on google searches.
That's as much of a fact as one could ever hope to post. /s Learn something new everyday. Reminds me of Paul McCartney proof positive rumors in the abbey road days that he was dead because he walked across the road in bare feet.Connecting the circumstantial dots does not create a fact.
Please read what I said. And then read it again and again. I will type it one more time so it can sink in: Apple creates one new iPhone model per year, a large one and a small one. Apple optimizes the new iOS to that new hardware. You cannot expect them to sell new hardware using software optimized to old hardware. Apple is in the business of making money. They do not have enough engineers or time to optimize the new iOS to ALL the hardware (5, 5s, 5c, 6, 6 plus, all the other iPads). So Apple optimizes to the newest hardware. Then Apple works backwards to optimize the iOS to older hardware. They introduce updates either every months or every two months. By the time the iOS is on its fourth major update, it has become fully optimized to almost all the legacy hardware.
That is the way it works in Tim Cook's Apple. If you do not like that then you have the following options:
1. Send letters directly to Apple complaining about it and get the board of directors to fire Tim. Complaining to us on this forum gets you nowhere. You are just wasting your time and pissing the rest of us off with your constant whining.
2. Sell all your Apple devices and go buy something else. There are a lot of good smartphones and laptops out there. Samsung Galaxy series has matured and is really good. Dell introduced a fantastic new laptop that rivals the MacBook. Vote with your wallet. If a lot of people do the same, then Apple would listen.
Or it could be because Metal wasn't ready for prime time and it's being used to push the UI. The lesser stutter is a sign that the 6S is muscling its way through something that isn't coded as well as it should be. The fact that the 6S has stutter at all proves it isn't some big conspiracy. Why would they obsolete a product that's their newest product?
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