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Radon87000

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Apple in general does optimize it's code toward the end of a release cycle. These stutters are silly programming(errors) in random places, why would the cellular screen stutter in settings?

Plenty of people go back and forth. It's different with desktop class hardware where top end video cards expensive, buying a $600 amd card after nvidia is not easy.
They aren't optimising anything.8.4.1 WAS PERECT on my 6 because it was optimised for 1GB devices.Hence the Air 2 handled the OS like a boss back then.With iOS 9 these stutters rear their ugly head every now and then

Lol.Its a universal fact that the walled garden approach of Apple makes it terribly difficult to migrate to any other OS.iMessage is a nightmare to migrate.I can't even wirelessly send photos from my iPhone to android like I can with another iPhone without resorting to the cloud.For those who got the Watch they are stuck in iOS like in a quicksand as you can't upgrade both at the same time unless you spend $1000+ at the same time so you will need to do without a watch for the interval
 

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They aren't optimising anything.8.4.1 WAS PERECT on my 6 because it was optimised for 1GB devices.Hence the Air 2 handled the OS like a boss back then.With iOS 9 these stutters rear their ugly head every now and then

Lol.Its a universal fact that the walled garden approach of Apple makes it terribly difficult to migrate to any other OS.iMessage is a nightmare to migrate.I can't even wirelessly send photos from my iPhone to android like I can with another iPhone without resorting to the cloud.For those who got the Watch they are stuck in iOS like in a quicksand as you can't upgrade both at the same time unless you spend $1000+ at the same time so you will need to do without a watch for the interval
8.4.1 was perfect for YOU, however iOS 8.0 was pretty much a mess.

I have no idea why for you migrating to another platform is difficult. My son did it; iOS to android and back. As far as your example of sending photos wirelessly between iOS and android; you can't put an nvidia gpu in an amd board, seems like walled gardens abound in technology.
 
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My iPhone 6 still runs well, but thats only because I've stuck with 8.4.1 all this time. Apple should allow downgrades regardless of what app developers do. I would rather have a fast 3 year old vanilla device that is still good for basic task than having my phone slow down to a crawl. After two iPhones and two iPads, I've learned my lesson when it comes to Apples up/downgrades.
 

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My iPhone 6 still runs well, but thats only because I've stuck with 8.4.1 all this time. Apple should allow downgrades regardless of what app developers do. I would rather have a fast 3 year old vanilla device that is still good for basic task than having my phone slow down to a crawl. After two iPhones and two iPads, I've learned my lesson when it comes to Apples up/downgrades.
My sons iPhone 6 on 9.2 is good enough for him and he is very picky. 9.2 on an iPhone 6 is a far cry from slowing the device to a crawl.
 

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Apple should allow downgrades regardless of what app developers do.

No, they shouldn't. Users are the absolute last people on earth that should be deciding what OS is on their device and what out-of-date version of software to run....as evidenced by your comment.
 
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I'm not here to argue, think what you want. My device is staying on 8.4.1 until I say otherwise. Sorry!
 

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Sure what's your take on ot
It seems that's the only solution at this point.Never update an Apple device beyond the version it hipped with

The iOS forced updates is a part of the reason.The updates are optimised for modern hardware and they force old users to use the same build and trap them in it.The 1GB ram in iPhone 6 was a purposeful tactic to later slow it down in iOS 9 which is optimised for 2GB RAM


I don't think everything can fit under one umbrella of an idea. Let's start with the big problem and go down.

A) Performance. We all know it's an issue, even if it isn't an issue for us. Some people say that it's all down to an attempt to slow down our devices and make us buy new ones. I think it comes down to two very sad things that can be said about Apple right now.
1) Poor Planning. That's where they start hurling feature after feature, changing big under the hood things without trying to clean up after themselves. You get a giant ball of code that doesn't work that well. That's why we don't need a fluid 60fps everywhere on a lot of the devices we don't see it on. I speak not of the 4S, which should have not been updated beyond iOS 7 in my opinion.
2) Stupidity/Ignorance (choose which you think applies). Apple should have known better than to release Metal on the UI. This is a graphics API. If you release Maps as a beta, Music as an unofficial beta, Siri as a beta, that's fine. Release an unfinished language, even. But releasing an unfinished graphics API is, in my opinion, stupid. This is what makes the 5S perform worse than the 5 for a lot of people.

B) Features. We all want all of them.
1) Touch ID 2 on the iPad Pro: Simply put, the iPad Pro still isn't a sure thing and they'd rather have as many as they could make for their sacred cash cow. Apple wants the iPad Pro to succeed, sure, but not at the cost of them having not enough iPhones. Heck, taking a look at the fact that they didn't ship enough Cellular iPad Pro to the carriers kind of shows that they might not have made that many.
2) 3D Touch on an iPad Pro. Well, what can I say about it? I have an iPad Pro with me right now, typing up this very response on it. I thought this was the case, and now I'm sure of it. As 3D Touch works right now, it should never be on the iPad Pro. It just doesn't work from a usability standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if it never shipped on it, and if it did if it took a different form.
 
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kazmac

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Let's be honest and say you should wait until 2017 to update to iOS 10 unless reviews say Apple did a phenomenal job. Same with OS X 10.12.

After the last two years of utter hell with my Mac and annoyances with iDevices, yeah I think so. I'm over hype and reviews anyway. Besides, university software is often a version or two behind the most current updates. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot as far as school compatibility just have the latest OS; especially as the last 3 including El Captain and iOS 9 have not been kind to my 2010 iMac and iPhone 6 (retired or sold at this point.)
 

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After the last two years of utter hell with my Mac and annoyances with iDevices, yeah I think so. I'm over hype and reviews anyway. Besides, university software is often a version or two behind the most current updates. I don't want to shoot myself in the foot as far as school compatibility just have the latest OS; especially as the last 3 including El Captain and iOS 9 have not been kind to my 2010 iMac and iPhone 6 (retired or sold at this point.)

I'd say go with Anand when it comes to reviews. They generally tend to use numbers. Don't take any single review as gospel, though. Use them as a basis of deciding for yourself.
 

Radon87000

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I don't think everything can fit under one umbrella of an idea. Let's start with the big problem and go down.

A) Performance. We all know it's an issue, even if it isn't an issue for us. Some people say that it's all down to an attempt to slow down our devices and make us buy new ones. I think it comes down to two very sad things that can be said about Apple right now.
1) Poor Planning. That's where they start hurling feature after feature, changing big under the hood things without trying to clean up after themselves. You get a giant ball of code that doesn't work that well. That's why we don't need a fluid 60fps everywhere on a lot of the devices we don't see it on. I speak not of the 4S, which should have not been updated beyond iOS 7 in my opinion.
2) Stupidity/Ignorance (choose which you think applies). Apple should have known better than to release Metal on the UI. This is a graphics API. If you release Maps as a beta, Music as an unofficial beta, Siri as a beta, that's fine. Release an unfinished language, even. But releasing an unfinished graphics API is, in my opinion, stupid. This is what makes the 5S perform worse than the 5 for a lot of people.

B) Features. We all want all of them.
1) Touch ID 2 on the iPad Pro: Simply put, the iPad Pro still isn't a sure thing and they'd rather have as many as they could make for their sacred cash cow. Apple wants the iPad Pro to succeed, sure, but not at the cost of them having not enough iPhones. Heck, taking a look at the fact that they didn't ship enough Cellular iPad Pro to the carriers kind of shows that they might not have made that many.
2) 3D Touch on an iPad Pro. Well, what can I say about it? I have an iPad Pro with me right now, typing up this very response on it. I thought this was the case, and now I'm sure of it. As 3D Touch works right now, it should never be on the iPad Pro. It just doesn't work from a usability standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if it never shipped on it, and if it did if it took a different form.
Now here is where the problem arises.What features did Apple add over 8.4.1 in iOS 9.The only thing that was updated was the Notes App (Evernote already did everything the new Notes app can for years),the News App (decidedly still no alternative for Flipboard and Play Newstand for me),the new Maps App which still cant compete with the accuracy of Google Maps.The only useful thing it upgraded was the new Proactive Siri but that cant be a reason for the performance loss.Metal is the issue to blame here but was it done intentionally or not?Because having used the 6s the Control Center and spotlight performs much much better than it does on my 6.Same thing with the iPad Pro.These things are bruteforcing their way through the code and providing a smooth experience.Apple purposefully decides NOT to optimise for 1GB devices so that people can upgrade to the latest to enjoy the real iOS experience.

The iPad Pro is in my opinion just a desperate stop gap measure to reduce the nosediving iPad sales.The second version will get 3D Touch and the faster touch ID as people start to buy them more and more.BUT the genius of Apple is that they calculated as to what features should be missing from the device so that these very same customers will want to get the latest iPad Pro 2 soon as it is out.By not giving it any specialised hardware feature its going to be obsolete very fast.Same applies for the Apple Watch.I am waiting for the second generation myself knowing that this first one is a deliberate trap by Apple to get people to upgrade
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8.4.1 was perfect for YOU, however iOS 8.0 was pretty much a mess.

I have no idea why for you migrating to another platform is difficult. My son did it; iOS to android and back. As far as your example of sending photos wirelessly between iOS and android; you can't put an nvidia gpu in an amd board, seems like walled gardens abound in technology.
It was perfect for a LOT of people.Try making a poll for iphone 6 owners on 8.4.1 vs 9.0 .Nearly every one of em will say 8.4.1 was better.

Its a big hassle as I am observing right now trying to get my Nexus 5 and iPhone 6 to work together.Apple doesnt play nice with anything Android.

PS- You can use a NVIDIA GPU on an AMD Board.I am using a gaming desktop with 2 GTX 970 in SLI on a AMD AM3+ Board.Apple is the only platform which has troubles with other platforms.Heck,Windows Phone,Android,and BB OS all are easier to switch amongst themselves then from Apple


My sons iPhone 6 on 9.2 is good enough for him and he is very picky. 9.2 on an iPhone 6 is a far cry from slowing the device to a crawl.
Does it perform like a year old flagship does?A resounding NO. Even a Moto G does not slow to a crawl so thats not good enough
I'm not here to argue, think what you want. My device is staying on 8.4.1 until I say otherwise. Sorry!

A very wise decision.Its going to be rough for the 6 from hereon in as iOS 10 will be optimised for 3GB RAM devices so it will run HORRIBLE with a capital H on it
 

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Now here is where the problem arises.What features did Apple add over 8.4.1 in iOS 9.The only thing that was updated was the Notes App (Evernote already did everything the new Notes app can for years),the News App (decidedly still no alternative for Flipboard and Play Newstand for me),the new Maps App which still cant compete with the accuracy of Google Maps.The only useful thing it upgraded was the new Proactive Siri but that cant be a reason for the performance loss.Metal is the issue to blame here but was it done intentionally or not?Because having used the 6s the Control Center and spotlight performs much much better than it does on my 6.Same thing with the iPad Pro.These things are bruteforcing their way through the code and providing a smooth experience.Apple purposefully decides NOT to optimise for 1GB devices so that people can upgrade to the latest to enjoy the real iOS experience.

The iPad Pro is in my opinion just a desperate stop gap measure to reduce the nosediving iPad sales.The second version will get 3D Touch and the faster touch ID as people start to buy them more and more.BUT the genius of Apple is that they calculated as to what features should be missing from the device so that these very same customers will want to get the latest iPad Pro 2 soon as it is out.By not giving it any specialised hardware feature its going to be obsolete very fast.Same applies for the Apple Watch.I am waiting for the second generation myself knowing that this first one is a deliberate trap by Apple to get people to upgrade
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It was perfect for a LOT of people.Try making a poll for iphone 6 owners on 8.4.1 vs 9.0 .Nearly every one of em will say 8.4.1 was better.

Its a big hassle as I am observing right now trying to get my Nexus 5 and iPhone 6 to work together.Apple doesnt play nice with anything Android.

PS- You can use a NVIDIA GPU on an AMD Board.I am using a gaming desktop with 2 GTX 970 in SLI on a AMD AM3+ Board.Apple is the only platform which has troubles with other platforms.Heck,Windows Phone,Android,and BB OS all are easier to switch amongst themselves then from Apple



Does it perform like a year old flagship does?A resounding NO. Even a Moto G does not slow to a crawl so thats not good enough


A very wise decision.Its going to be rough for the 6 from hereon in as iOS 10 will be optimised for 3GB RAM devices so it will run HORRIBLE with a capital H on it

Except there is stutter on devices with 2gb of RAM. It wasn't intentional, Metal just wasn't ready for prime time. And with the current idea of ship fast and often, it was pushed out anyway. The features of iOS 9 are mostly not user facing ones. We have some iPad things that the user sees, but a lot of under the hood changes were made between iOS 8 and 9.
 
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I7guy

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Now here is where the problem arises.What features did Apple add over 8.4.1 in iOS 9.The only thing that was updated was the Notes App (Evernote already did everything the new Notes app can for years),the News App (decidedly still no alternative for Flipboard and Play Newstand for me),the new Maps App which still cant compete with the accuracy of Google Maps.The only useful thing it upgraded was the new Proactive Siri but that cant be a reason for the performance loss.Metal is the issue to blame here but was it done intentionally or not?Because having used the 6s the Control Center and spotlight performs much much better than it does on my 6.Same thing with the iPad Pro.These things are bruteforcing their way through the code and providing a smooth experience.Apple purposefully decides NOT to optimise for 1GB devices so that people can upgrade to the latest to enjoy the real iOS experience.

The iPad Pro is in my opinion just a desperate stop gap measure to reduce the nosediving iPad sales.The second version will get 3D Touch and the faster touch ID as people start to buy them more and more.BUT the genius of Apple is that they calculated as to what features should be missing from the device so that these very same customers will want to get the latest iPad Pro 2 soon as it is out.By not giving it any specialised hardware feature its going to be obsolete very fast.Same applies for the Apple Watch.I am waiting for the second generation myself knowing that this first one is a deliberate trap by Apple to get people to upgrade
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It was perfect for a LOT of people.Try making a poll for iphone 6 owners on 8.4.1 vs 9.0 .Nearly every one of em will say 8.4.1 was better.

Its a big hassle as I am observing right now trying to get my Nexus 5 and iPhone 6 to work together.Apple doesnt play nice with anything Android.

PS- You can use a NVIDIA GPU on an AMD Board.I am using a gaming desktop with 2 GTX 970 in SLI on a AMD AM3+ Board.Apple is the only platform which has troubles with other platforms.Heck,Windows Phone,Android,and BB OS all are easier to switch amongst themselves then from Apple



Does it perform like a year old flagship does?A resounding NO. Even a Moto G does not slow to a crawl so thats not good enough


A very wise decision.Its going to be rough for the 6 from hereon in as iOS 10 will be optimised for 3GB RAM devices so it will run HORRIBLE with a capital H on it
So if I buy any old amd and any old nvidia board, I'm guaranteed interoperability for the gpus'? Not! Can I take an amd processor and insert it into an item based board?

As far as my sons iPhone 6, since I had it for a while before I gave it to him, there is no "real" difference to iOS 8.

I think your view is skewed, but you have every right to believe whatever you want, the universe isn't changing because if it.
 

mrochester

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No it's because Apple ships latest devices with already obsolete specs.

Some examples are:
16gb base storage vs 32 for competitors
2gb ram when competitors ship with 4gb
Etc etc.

They have capability to ship iPhone with 4gb ram TODAY but they choose not to, so that they can obsolete current devices faster. There's a big difference between going with normal pace and intentionally withholding tech to make you upgrade sooner

This doesn't make any sense because you could simply argue that other manufacturers are only shipping phones with 4GB of RAM instead of 8GB. Why are they releasing devices with obsolete specs? Why are they only providing 32GB of base storage when they could be providing 64GB or 128GB? Why are they deliberately holding devices back?
 

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This doesn't make any sense because you could simply argue that other manufacturers are only shipping phones with 4GB of RAM instead of 8GB. Why are they releasing devices with obsolete specs? Why are they only providing 32GB of base storage when they could be providing 64GB or 128GB? Why are they deliberately holding devices back?
Come on, if they aren't releasing phones with at least 128 GB of RAM and 1 TB of space that's clearly planned obsolescence.
 

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My sons iPhone 6 on 9.2 is good enough for him and he is very picky. 9.2 on an iPhone 6 is a far cry from slowing the device to a crawl.

My niece's iPhone 6 is also good on 9.2. I gave it to her and she loves it. I wish these Apple haters would just stick with Android and leave us alone. Go to Android Central if you really believe that Android is so superior. Why are you here?
 
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My niece's iPhone 6 is also good on 9.2. I gave it to her and she loves it. I wish these Apple haters would just stick with Android and leave us alone. Go to Android Central if you really believe that Android is so superior. Why are you here?

16 pages of all the same BS.

It's always the same ones saying the same thing, multiple people coming here with your opinion (which is like mine), yet, you don't have the right to voice your opinion.

Mods do nothing.

Lol.Its a universal fact that the walled garden approach of Apple makes it terribly difficult to migrate to any other OS.iMessage is a nightmare to migrate.I can't even wirelessly send photos from my iPhone to android like I can with another iPhone without resorting to the cloud.For those who got the Watch they are stuck in iOS like in a quicksand as you can't upgrade both at the same time unless you spend $1000+ at the same time so you will need to do without a watch for the interval

Anyone can clearly see that you are just to troll Apple users.

What you want? Sell Android phones? Get a job at Verizon.
 

sanke1

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My niece's iPhone 6 is also good on 9.2. I gave it to her and she loves it. I wish these Apple haters would just stick with Android and leave us alone. Go to Android Central if you really believe that Android is so superior. Why are you here?
Haha no. It is not a question of Android being superior. Goodle's premium devicees Nexus 5/6/6p all provide premium experiences. But one year old Apple devices like 6/6 plus start to show their age with next iOS iteration. We do pay almost double compared to Android device. So it is reasonable to expect flawless performance from our device for 2-3 years.

It has come down to these few points

1. Control Center stutters on iPhones 5S, 6, 6 Plus.
2. Control Center stutters even crazily when pulled up during Siri.
3. Scrolling stutters in "Cellular" settings page.
4. Touch lag or input delay at random places. You have to wait 1-2 seconds for the animation to complete before touchscreen is usuable again. (On all devices except 2015 models)
5. iPhone 5/5c, though immune to Control Center stutter, cannot do simple smooth scrolling in many apps like WhatsApp. It was smooth in iOS 8. Why?

We complained about all the issues since iOS 9 Beta 1. Are they that difficult to fix?

Since Apple is blatantly ignoring feedback and not acting on those issues makes it clear that Planned Obsolescence exists. Apple has internal performance level targets for each device to make sure it looks worse compared to it's successor.

This strategy makes excellent business sense but only for short term. It has never worked for anyone. We have seen how RIM got complacent with their Blackberry devices which initially offered premium experience. Then they started artificially gimping their own devices. Then something better (iPhone) came along and then people thought "What the **** have I been tolerating for so long?"

You see a pattern here? When a company starts to churn out products just to appease their shareholders, the initial joy and passion is never seen. Perfection is sacrificed for faster turnout.

Apple's PO is glaringly obvious.
 
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I7guy

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Haha no. It is not a question of Android being superior. Goodle's premium devicees Nexus 5/6/6p all provide premium experiences. But one year old Apple devices like 6/6 plus start to show their age with next iOS iteration. We do pay almost double compared to Android device. So it is reasonable to expect flawless performance from our device for 2-3 years.

It has come down to these few points

1. Control Center stutters on iPhones 5S, 6, 6 Plus.
2. Control Center stutters even crazily when pulled up during Siri.
3. Scrolling stutters in "Cellular" settings page.
4. Touch lag or input delay at random places. You have to wait 1-2 seconds for the animation to complete before touchscreen is usuable again. (On all devices except 2015 models)
5. iPhone 5/5c, though immune to Control Center stutter, cannot do simple smooth scrolling in many apps like WhatsApp. It was smooth in iOS 8. Why?
If mail and safari stutterers there would be bigger issues and I would agree. Cc and cellular I don't care about no matter how much I paid for my device. 5s I don't see the random lag you refer to, maybe I'm not using it right.
 

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No, they shouldn't. Users are the absolute last people on earth that should be deciding what OS is on their device and what out-of-date version of software to run....as evidenced by your comment.
There's absolutely no truth in that. Biggest risk is about security flaws, but if the user is willing to take those risks then let them be.
Users can't be the last people on earth about anything, they're basically the whole structure of the OS!
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My niece's iPhone 6 is also good on 9.2. I gave it to her and she loves it. I wish these Apple haters would just stick with Android and leave us alone. Go to Android Central if you really believe that Android is so superior. Why are you here?
Oh wow, talk about useless comments and lack of information.
Let's see...The iPhone 6 is just the past model and has only received his first major update.
By Apple standards/history it isn't even allowed to show any kind of issues. But god, you seem to know so much about Apple and devices! If you do, then i really don't know where the heck are you looking at.
If you don't, Why are you here?
 
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nj1266

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Haha no. It is not a question of Android being superior. Goodle's premium devicees Nexus 5/6/6p all provide premium experiences. But one year old Apple devices like 6/6 plus start to show their age with next iOS iteration. We do pay almost double compared to Android device. So it is reasonable to expect flawless performance from our device for 2-3 years.

It has come down to these few points

1. Control Center stutters on iPhones 5S, 6, 6 Plus.
2. Control Center stutters even crazily when pulled up during Siri.
3. Scrolling stutters in "Cellular" settings page.
4. Touch lag or input delay at random places. You have to wait 1-2 seconds for the animation to complete before touchscreen is usuable again. (On all devices except 2015 models)
5. iPhone 5/5c, though immune to Control Center stutter, cannot do simple smooth scrolling in many apps like WhatsApp. It was smooth in iOS 8. Why?

We complained about all the issues since iOS 9 Beta 1. Are they that difficult to fix?

Since Apple is blatantly ignoring feedback and not acting on those issues makes it clear that Planned Obsolescence exists. Apple has internal performance level targets for each device to make sure it looks worse compared to it's successor.

This strategy makes excellent business sense but only for short term. It has never worked for anyone. We have seen how RIM got complacent with their Blackberry devices which initially offered premium experience. Then they started artificially gimping their own devices. Then something better (iPhone) came along and then people thought "What the **** have I been tolerating for so long?"

You see a pattern here? When a company starts to churn out products just to appease their shareholders, the initial joy and passion is never seen. Perfection is sacrificed for faster turnout.

Apple's PO is glaringly obvious.

You have the option to vote with your wallet. Do not buy iPhones anymore. Now that you are convinced that this is Apple's strategy, stop buying their products. You are convinced that they are slowing down your devices on purpose. Great. Stop playing into their hand by buying iPhones.

You are convinced that Apple does this on purpose. Ok. The best approach is to sell all your Apple products and buy something else. Repeating the same stuff over and over on this forum gets you nowhere. Apple will not listen to you as long as you buy their products. Teach them a lesson and stop buying their products.

Since iOS 7 Apple has optimized to the newest iPhone and worked backwards to the old ones. Their priority is the newest device. You want 100% optimized iOS, buy the new device. Otherwise, wait for the iOS updates to optimize your old hardware. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS.

You have two options: 1. Live with this new reality. 2. Sell your Apple devices and get something else.
 

danleon950410

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Haha no. It is not a question of Android being superior. Goodle's premium devicees Nexus 5/6/6p all provide premium experiences. But one year old Apple devices like 6/6 plus start to show their age with next iOS iteration. We do pay almost double compared to Android device. So it is reasonable to expect flawless performance from our device for 2-3 years.

It has come down to these few points

1. Control Center stutters on iPhones 5S, 6, 6 Plus.
2. Control Center stutters even crazily when pulled up during Siri.
3. Scrolling stutters in "Cellular" settings page.
4. Touch lag or input delay at random places. You have to wait 1-2 seconds for the animation to complete before touchscreen is usuable again. (On all devices except 2015 models)
5. iPhone 5/5c, though immune to Control Center stutter, cannot do simple smooth scrolling in many apps like WhatsApp. It was smooth in iOS 8. Why?

We complained about all the issues since iOS 9 Beta 1. Are they that difficult to fix?

Since Apple is blatantly ignoring feedback and not acting on those issues makes it clear that Planned Obsolescence exists. Apple has internal performance level targets for each device to make sure it looks worse compared to it's successor.

This strategy makes excellent business sense but only for short term. It has never worked for anyone. We have seen how RIM got complacent with their Blackberry devices which initially offered premium experience. Then they started artificially gimping their own devices. Then something better (iPhone) came along and then people thought "What the **** have I been tolerating for so long?"

You see a pattern here? When a company starts to churn out products just to appease their shareholders, the initial joy and passion is never seen. Perfection is sacrificed for faster turnout.

Apple's PO is glaringly obvious.

I absolutely agree with everything you say, but you have to realize something:The strategy is working for Apple.
Planned Obsolescence do exists, there's much evidence to support it. But who are the ones that are always denying that? Who are the ones that are always bashing those who complain about the problem?
I'll tell you exactly who:
iPhone 6S Plus 128GB <Bought on launch day> = Most people with the latest devices.]
Those who practically bash the previous iPhone model the day the newest goes on sale. Those who are CAMPING outside Apple Stores before the new iphone is EVEN ANNOUNCED!

People whose preference is so obsessive over Apple that their sympathy regarding other users is limited to this:if you don't buy the latest model then go suffer in silence.
Yet most of them dare to comment on the matter with no info or facts but sarcasm or name-calling.

That's the proof that it's working perfectly as intended.
Needless to say, not every Apple user is like that. There are those who love to get the newest devcies as soon as possible but are perfectly aware of problems with the older ones.
Then there's the "Switch to Android" kind.
 

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There's absolutely no truth in that. Biggest risk is about security flaws, but if the user is willing to take those risks then let them be.
Users can't be the last people on earth about anything, they're basically the whole structure of the OS!
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Oh wow, talk about useless comments and lack of information.
Let's see...The iPhone 6 is just the past model and has only received his first major update.
By Apple standards/history it isn't even allowed to show any kind of issues. But god, you seem to know so much about Apple and devices! If you do, then i really don't know where the heck are you looking at.
If you don't, Why are you here?

Yes, I know a whole lot more about Apple devices than a 20 year old student who joined the forums on June of 2015. I have owned almost every iPhone since the 4. I currently own a 4, 5s, 5c, and 6s plus, an iPad mini 2 and a MacBook Pro. I have jail broken and tweaked almost all of them.

I like Apple devices and I do not complain about the minor things that I do not like. I do not pollute these forums with Apple hate like most do. They are the same people over and over again. You hate Apple so much. Great. Sell your device and go buy something else. Show Apple that you will not accept their BS anymore. Polluting this forum with the same talk gets you nowhere.
 

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My niece's iPhone 6 is also good on 9.2. I gave it to her and she loves it. I wish these Apple haters would just stick with Android and leave us alone. Go to Android Central if you really believe that Android is so superior. Why are you here?
Android Central?
XDA is the site to visit for Android. The rest are just pure junk unless you want to read reviews!
 
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There's absolutely no truth in that. Biggest risk is about security flaws, but if the user is willing to take those risks then let them be.
Users can't be the last people on earth about anything, they're basically the whole structure of the OS!
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There is nothing but truth in it. You don't make the hardware, the OS, or any of the software on it. You have absolutely no idea what is front of you. Leave it to the people that create it and maintain to know what is best. Thinking otherwise is either insanely arrogant, or just ignorant.

Next you'll probably tell me that you think you own it, so you should be able to choose. What a laugh.
 
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