Planned obsolescence!

[Radon87000]

Wow its like you people dont realise how a corporate giant like Apple works.The 3D Touch feature is left out SOLELY to keep that single one gamechanging feature for the "S" cycle or the "numbered" version in the new Pro series so that the old device can be made obsolete faster.Its ridiculously obvious.The iPhone 6 was not given 2GB of RAM so that it could be made to stutter/make it obsolete faster with iOS 9.Same thing happened with the iPad Air where they hamstrung it with less RAM.The rumored iPhone 6c is also not being given 3d touch so that the next itineration can have it so that it can be phased out faster.The iPhone 7 wont be given 3GB of RAM but the 7 Plus will so that the 7 model can be made to stutter more with iOS 10 so people would buy the 7 Plus more.The iPad Air 2 was the one tablet where they made it ridiculously powerful for its time so they couldnt make it stutter as much as the 6 and also because the iPad sales were just nosediving too fast for planned obsolescence to work properly without people ditching the iPad as a risk

This is why Apple making both hardware and software is both a boon and a curse.Samsung couldnt make the above work even if they tried as the software aspect is out of their control

 

[Zwhaler]

Thats a part of their planned obsolescence strategy where a calculated decision on when a product is to be made obsolete is done.No 3D Touch on the iPad Pro is a classic example

Yes but for that particular tech my understanding is that it hasn't been properly scaled to screens that large so it's a bit of both.

 

[Michael Goff]

Wow its like you people dont realise how a corporate giant like Apple works.The 3D Touch feature is left out SOLELY to keep that single one gamechanging feature for the "S" cycle or the "numbered" version in the new Pro series so that the old device can be made obsolete faster.Its ridiculously obvious.The iPhone 6 was not given 2GB of RAM so that it could be made to stutter/make it obsolete faster with iOS 9.Same thing happened with the iPad Air where they hamstrung it with less RAM.The rumored iPhone 6c is also not being given 3d touch so that the next itineration can have it so that it can be phased out faster.The iPhone 7 wont be given 3GB of RAM but the 7 Plus will so that the 7 model can be made to stutter more with iOS 10 so people would buy the 7 Plus more.The iPad Air 2 was the one tablet where they made it ridiculously powerful for its time so they couldnt make it stutter as much as the 6 and also because the iPad sales were just nosediving too fast for planned obsolescence to work properly without people ditching the iPad as a risk

This is why Apple making both hardware and software is both a boon and a curse.Samsung couldnt make the above work even if they tried as the software aspect is out of their control

Is this post serious? Or have we all been suckered into responding to parody?

 

[Radon87000]

Is this post serious? Or have we all been suckered into responding to parody?

I am just gonna say "I told you so" when the iPhone 7 comes out later this year with 3 gigs of RAM and iOS 10 starts stuttering on iPhone 6s reason being the OS will primarily be designed with 3GB in mind.Then you will understand what I am saying

On a sidenote,I am keeping my iPhone 6 around for iOS 10 just to see just how badly Apple can hamstring it

 

[I7guy]

I am just gonna say "I told you so" when the iPhone 7 comes out later this year with 3 gigs of RAM and iOS 10 starts stuttering on iPhone 6s reason being the OS will primarily be designed with 3GB in mind.Then you will understand what I am saying

On a sidenote,I am keeping my iPhone 6 around for iOS 10 just to see just how badly Apple can hamstring it

I understand now, any hardware improvement to future hardware is to support "planned obsolescence " and not because technological advances make better hardware possible?

 

[dark_knight177]

I understand now, any hardware improvement to future hardware is to support "planned obsolescence " and not because technological advances make better hardware possible?

No it's because Apple ships latest devices with already obsolete specs.

Some examples are:
16gb base storage vs 32 for competitors
2gb ram when competitors ship with 4gb
Etc etc.

They have capability to ship iPhone with 4gb ram TODAY but they choose not to, so that they can obsolete current devices faster. There's a big difference between going with normal pace and intentionally withholding tech to make you upgrade sooner

 

[sanke1]

I feel that current iPhones should have had 4 GB of RAM.

Everything from webpages to basic photo, movie editing has gotten so intensive over last 1-2 years that even 2 GB is less.

 

[Radon87000]

I understand now, any hardware improvement to future hardware is to support "planned obsolescence " and not because technological advances make better hardware possible?

No it's more like,doing hardware improvements and then designing software for that improved hardware and then releasing it for older devices knowing the consequences with some intended code to cause some slight stutters in just enough amounts so as to give people the nudge to upgrade to the latest device .And to complete the execution,trap people on that OS so that they can't go back,

 

[sanke1]

No it's more like,doing hardware improvements and then designing software for that improved hardware and then releasing it for older devices knowing the consequences with some intended code to cause some slight stutters in just enough amounts so as to give people the nudge to upgrade to the latest device .And to complete the execution,trap people on that OS so that they can't go back,

I had given this exact statement 1 yr back on macrumors when my iPad Air 1 started behaving horribly on iOS 8. But I was trolled instead.

 

[dk001]

I feel that current iPhones should have had 4 GB of RAM.

Everything from webpages to basic photo, movie editing has gotten so intensive over last 1-2 years that even 2 GB is less.

For whatever reason, it appears that Apple designs and ships based on what is needed now with minimal concern for future development.
What is going to hurt the 6 and earlier is the use developers make of 2gb RAM going forward.

 

[Elisha]

I remember when people brought up how ****** the iPhones 6 was for multitasking when it first came out and the sheep herded together and attacked the people that complained and raised the point.
"They" weren't having the tabs reloading issue and so it was a myth.
Well, eventually everyone has accepted that it was the case.
Same thing happening now!

And btw, it's people that raise the critical and controversial issues that drive the tech industry to improve and innovate. Not the sheep!
So you guys should be thanking the people that raise the issues and complain or else it will never be fixed and innovation will be much slower!

 

[dark_knight177]

I remember when people brought up how ****** the iPhones 6 was for multitasking when it first came out and the sheep herded together and attacked the people that complained and raised the point.
"They" weren't having the tabs reloading issue and so it was a myth.
Well, eventually everyone has accepted that it was the case.
Same thing happening now!

And btw, it's people that raise the critical and controversial issues that drive the tech industry to improve and innovate. Not the sheep!
So you guys should be thanking the people that raise the issues and complain or else it will never be fixed and innovation will be much slower!

You nailed it! Let's see how current iPhone 6S users will brag about 2GB being enough when their phones will slow down to a crawl next year with iOS 10

 

[Elisha]

You nailed it! Let's see how current iPhone 6S users will brag about 2GB being enough when their phones will slow down to a crawl next year with iOS 10

Right now 2gb is a sweet spot. And so far it multitasks better than my S6 as well as previous Android phones. But I don't use very ram intensive apps so I can't say if I need more. But more is always nice to have. I can't see the 7 having 3gb. Maybe the 7s.
2gb is not limiting the 6s "at the moment".

 

[C DM]

Wow its like you people dont realise how a corporate giant like Apple works.The 3D Touch feature is left out SOLELY to keep that single one gamechanging feature for the "S" cycle or the "numbered" version in the new Pro series so that the old device can be made obsolete faster.Its ridiculously obvious.The iPhone 6 was not given 2GB of RAM so that it could be made to stutter/make it obsolete faster with iOS 9.Same thing happened with the iPad Air where they hamstrung it with less RAM.The rumored iPhone 6c is also not being given 3d touch so that the next itineration can have it so that it can be phased out faster.The iPhone 7 wont be given 3GB of RAM but the 7 Plus will so that the 7 model can be made to stutter more with iOS 10 so people would buy the 7 Plus more.The iPad Air 2 was the one tablet where they made it ridiculously powerful for its time so they couldnt make it stutter as much as the 6 and also because the iPad sales were just nosediving too fast for planned obsolescence to work properly without people ditching the iPad as a risk

This is why Apple making both hardware and software is both a boon and a curse.Samsung couldnt make the above work even if they tried as the software aspect is out of their control

Yup, because that is a theory that makes sense and someone likes it it must be the only one and the only right one. That is exactly how logic works. Hear hoofbeats automatically only think zebras.

 

[I7guy]

No it's more like,doing hardware improvements and then designing software for that improved hardware and then releasing it for older devices knowing the consequences with some intended code to cause some slight stutters in just enough amounts so as to give people the nudge to upgrade to the latest device .And to complete the execution,trap people on that OS so that they can't go back,

I notice that Apple slips in "some intended" code to make sure consumers are nudged toward up grading. Thats certainly a big coincidence in fitting right in with your "planned obsolescence theory". Furthermore Apple has figured out a way to "trap" consumers so they are ham-strung and cannot buy another manufacturers' device. Those Apple peeps they are very smart.

 

[Michael Goff]

I am just gonna say "I told you so" when the iPhone 7 comes out later this year with 3 gigs of RAM and iOS 10 starts stuttering on iPhone 6s reason being the OS will primarily be designed with 3GB in mind.Then you will understand what I am saying

On a sidenote,I am keeping my iPhone 6 around for iOS 10 just to see just how badly Apple can hamstring it

I think the two of us see issues and apply different causes. If you'd like, I could tell you what I think is wrong. I'm asking before I put it down to make sure you actually want a discussion on the topic.

 

[kazmac]

Not a fan of it, it's greedy and lazy. So I plan to skip software upgrades out of the OS my iPhone 6s and my "new" non retina 27" iMac for as long as possible. I've been burned way too much by iOS and OS X in the last 2 years to blindly upgrade. I want performance and this phone and iMac to last me through University.

And I'm curious as to how good my performance will be with both products by staying with the operating system software they shipped with.

 

[laudern]

Wow its like you people dont realise how a corporate giant like Apple works.The 3D Touch feature is left out SOLELY to keep that single one gamechanging feature for the "S" cycle or the "numbered" version in the new Pro series so that the old device can be made obsolete faster.Its ridiculously obvious.The iPhone 6 was not given 2GB of RAM so that it could be made to stutter/make it obsolete faster with iOS 9.Same thing happened with the iPad Air where they hamstrung it with less RAM.The rumored iPhone 6c is also not being given 3d touch so that the next itineration can have it so that it can be phased out faster.The iPhone 7 wont be given 3GB of RAM but the 7 Plus will so that the 7 model can be made to stutter more with iOS 10 so people would buy the 7 Plus more.The iPad Air 2 was the one tablet where they made it ridiculously powerful for its time so they couldnt make it stutter as much as the 6 and also because the iPad sales were just nosediving too fast for planned obsolescence to work properly without people ditching the iPad as a risk

This is why Apple making both hardware and software is both a boon and a curse.Samsung couldnt make the above work even if they tried as the software aspect is out of their control

You are getting planned obsolescence mixed up with profit margins/technology used in a device. The planned obsolescence is the ios forced updates which purposefully slow down a device.

 

[Michael Goff]

Not a fan of it, it's greedy and lazy. So I plan to skip software upgrades out of the OS my iPhone 6s and my "new" non retina 27" iMac for as long as possible. I've been burned way too much by iOS and OS X in the last 2 years to blindly upgrade. I want performance and this phone and iMac to last me through University.

And I'm curious as to how good my performance will be with both products by staying with the operating system software they shipped with.

Let's be honest and say you should wait until 2017 to update to iOS 10 unless reviews say Apple did a phenomenal job. Same with OS X 10.12.

 

[dk001]

Let's be honest and say you should wait until 2017 to update to iOS 10 unless reviews say Apple did a phenomenal job. Same with OS X 10.12.

For the security conscious this is not usually an option unless we can convince Apple to extend security updates to at least the previous generation iOS. Sadly I don't see that happening.

 

[Michael Goff]

For the security conscious this is not usually an option unless we can convince Apple to extend security updates to at least the previous generation iOS. Sadly I don't see that happening.

A person doesn't have to be afraid of security on iOS. Go to sites you know, and it isn't like you can install from outside of the store anyway.

For OS X, though, they back port security for a little bit.

 

[Radon87000]

I think the two of us see issues and apply different causes. If you'd like, I could tell you what I think is wrong. I'm asking before I put it down to make sure you actually want a discussion on the topic.

Sure what's your take on ot

Not a fan of it, it's greedy and lazy. So I plan to skip software upgrades out of the OS my iPhone 6s and my "new" non retina 27" iMac for as long as possible. I've been burned way too much by iOS and OS X in the last 2 years to blindly upgrade. I want performance and this phone and iMac to last me through University.

And I'm curious as to how good my performance will be with both products by staying with the operating system software they shipped with.

It seems that's the only solution at this point.Never update an Apple device beyond the version it hipped with

You are getting planned obsolescence mixed up with profit margins/technology used in a device. The planned obsolescence is the ios forced updates which purposefully slow down a device.

The iOS forced updates is a part of the reason.The updates are optimised for modern hardware and they force old users to use the same build and trap them in it.The 1GB ram in iPhone 6 was a purposeful tactic to later slow it down in iOS 9 which is optimised for 2GB RAM

 

[Gunplay]

I'm actually quite impressed with how well my older device (iPhone 5) runs today on iOS 9.2, it's certainly much smoother than the high specced android phone that I just sold. Whether it becomes a potato with iOS 10 is up in the air but IMO apple DOES support it's older hardware for a long time.

 

[Radon87000]

I notice that Apple slips in "some intended" code to make sure consumers are nudged toward up grading. Thats certainly a big coincidence in fitting right in with your "planned obsolescence theory". Furthermore Apple has figured out a way to "trap" consumers so they are ham-strung and cannot buy another manufacturers' device. Those Apple peeps they are very smart.

By intended I mean they dont try and remove code which will ONLY run smooth on 2GB RAM devices.Here is an example of NVIDIA doing it.In Witcher 3,NVIDIA Hairworks could be run on both Kepler and Maxwell but it was later discovered that NVIDIA had applied insane tessellation levels so that only Maxwell GPUs could handle them and people would be forced to upgrade
And once a person has spent money on $600+ hardware and the ecosystem in general its not easy to leave it

 

[I7guy]

By intended I mean they dont try and remove code which will ONLY run smooth on 2GB RAM devices.Here is an example of NVIDIA doing it.In Witcher 3,NVIDIA Hairworks could be run on both Kepler and Maxwell but it was later discovered that NVIDIA had applied insane tessellation levels so that only Maxwell GPUs could handle them and people would be forced to upgrade
And once a person has spent money on $600+ hardware and the ecosystem in general its not easy to leave it

Apple in general does optimize it's code toward the end of a release cycle. These stutters are silly programming(errors) in random places, why would the cellular screen stutter in settings?

Plenty of people go back and forth. It's different with desktop class hardware where top end video cards expensive, buying a $600 amd card after nvidia is not easy.