Planned obsolescence!

[TC03]

Interesting to see the likers given to posts reeking of opinions stated as absolute facts.

This has been the cycle for years, nobody should be surprised. And no one was lied to. iOS 9.0 was shown by benchmarks to be faster than iOS 8 and in one critical area, a massive improvement was noticed. Apple didn't spell out exactly where there would be performance improvements for a good reason.

And when you start the name calling with "fanboy" you are either a "fanboy" or ?. Hint, it's the opposite of a rational and logical poster.

It's been the cycle for years but x.0 releases used to be much better. I hate to be that guy, but iOS 6.0 was faster than 5.0, it didn't take months to perform well like it does now. And honestly iOS 9.3 performance still sucks, it's beter than 9.2 but that doesn't make it good.

Btw, why don't you ever check your facts? Apple's website literally states that animations feel smoother. They did spell it out. For good reasons.

Faster and more responsive.
The apps in iOS 9 now take advantage of Metal, making more efficient use of the CPU and GPU to deliver faster scrolling, smoother animation, and better overall performance. Email, messages, web pages, and PDFs render faster. And multitasking features on iPad feel fluid and natural.

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two points: until somebody proves Apple guilty of sabotaging their own devices in a court of law either criminally or civil court, they are innocent. No amount of google searches is going to change a lack of information from Apple.

This makes no sense. I think you would defend Apple if they nuked an entire country.

Nobody forced Apple to deliver a software update that makes devices slower. They did that 100% intentionally.

Was it the goal beforehand to make older devices slower? I don't know, but does it matter? There are two options:
1. They knew iOS 9 performed badly but they still forced people to update.
2. They didn't know iOS 9 performed badly but they still forced people to update.

In scenario 1, Apple's attitude is lackluster because they intentionally crippled devices.
In scenario 2, Apple's attitude is lackluster because they didn't even bother to see how iOS 9 performs on older devices and take action to ensure that it doesn't perform badly.


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Why do yay-sayers like you make things so complicated? It's not complicated! Apple should do their best to make your devices perform smooth. If they don't deliver that, they have failed. It doesn't matter whether it was intentional, they failed! This is not kindergarten where you get points for trying.

And once and for all, stop denying iOS 9 is worse than 8.4.1. For lots of people, it is slower. Starting that discussion is utterly pointless.

 

[nj1266]

Old rhetoric.
If I am a security conscious person I will upgrade shortly after launch unless a major problem pops up.
If I have updated apps that require the newer OS to allow access to current features functions I'll upgrade.

You can always say don't, however there are some that should or need to.
Saying "don't upgrade" is a cop out. By X.1 at the latest it should be a stable major bug free version.

Which brings the last option: Sell your Apple devices and do not buy anymore. There are many really good Android devices and the new Dell Laptop is to die for. No one is forcing you to stay with Apple. Apple operates as I have laid it out for you. This has been the pattern since iOS 7. This is no longer Steve Job's Apple, this is Tim Cook's Apple. Like it or not that is the way he is running Apple. As long as the company is making profits, he is here to stay. If I was so butt hurt over the few stutters here and there in the OS, I would have left Apple already. Unlike some in this forum, I take charge of my life and change things that annoy me. I know that complaining on this forum will not fix my problems.

 

[dk001]

Which brings the last option: Sell your Apple devices and do not buy anymore. There are many really good Android devices and the new Dell Laptop is to die for. No one is forcing you to stay with Apple. Apple operates as I have laid it out for you. This has been the pattern since iOS 7. This is no longer Steve Job's Apple, this is Tim Cook's Apple. Like it or not that is the way he is running Apple. As long as the company is making profits, he is here to stay. If I was so butt hurt over the few stutters here and there in the OS, I would have left Apple already. Unlike some in this forum, I take charge of my life and change things that annoy me. I know that complaining on this forum will not fix my problems.

Dude, you just do not get it. It's not just the stutters, the lag, the mail, the ... These are indicatives.
I Know ... I have said it in multiple threads; this isn't SJ's Apple anymore.
btw - my iPhone is a work device. Yes, I also own a Note 5. The Dell XPS 13 IE is a great piece of hardware.

 

[Michael Goff]

Dude, you just do not get it. It's not just the stutters, the lag, the mail, the ... These are indicatives.
I Know ... I have said it in multiple threads; this isn't SJ's Apple anymore.
btw - my iPhone is a work device. Yes, I also own a Note 5. The Dell XPS 13 IE is a great piece of hardware.

Are we pretending iOS was perfect under SJ?

 

[Radon87000]

Are we pretending iOS was perfect under SJ?

It was more perfect than it ever was under Tim Cook.In fact Steve would never allow so many releases of one iOS version as we have now.In addition Another major mistake which Apple made was firing Steve Forstall.Ever since he was fired the quality has taken a nosedive

 

[nj1266]

Dude, you just do not get it. It's not just the stutters, the lag, the mail, the ... These are indicatives.
I Know ... I have said it in multiple threads; this isn't SJ's Apple anymore.
btw - my iPhone is a work device. Yes, I also own a Note 5. The Dell XPS 13 IE is a great piece of hardware.

If we do not agree with you, then we do not get it. You are the only one that gets it. So if it is not the occasional stutter and dropped frame in the CC and search, then what is it that is bothering you? No software is perfect. It is perfected as updates are added. Seriously, what is your main and consistent complaint with iOS.

If you are saying that it is not like 8.4.1, then yeah I agree with. To have the smoothness of 8.4.1, then you will have to wait until 9.4.x. You will get the smoothness on your old device by then. That is the way it is with the new Apple. Wait for the 9.4 update and then if your device is not as smooth as 8.4.1 you can complain and you will have a legitimate axe to grind.

 

[nj1266]

It was more perfect than it ever was under Tim Cook.In fact Steve would never allow so many releases of one iOS version as we have now.In addition Another major mistake which Apple made was firing Steve Forstall.Ever since he was fired the quality has taken a nosedive

Steve Forstall refused to sign on to the Apple Maps apology that all the other executives signed on to. He refused to adopt the new design language that all other mobile OSes were adopting (Google, Windows adopted the same design language). He was not a team player. What would you do as a CEO if you had such an obstinate person on your team? Would you keep him and allow him to poison the team or would you get rid of him?

 

[yillbs]

This was quite a confusing read. Apple basically tells you every three years or so you can't upgrade, this happens every three years, so it' snot like they are not open about it. Additionally, since when did it become a crime to sell products for super high margins? Just because you're a liberal and want everything for free, doesn't mean some people don't mind paying a price for it. It's a WANT, not a need, if you WANT it, you'll pay. Unfortunately, we're turning into a bunch of cry babies, the type who need counseling because they saw a confederate flag on a laptop. Those are the same people who wine about having to upgrade. It's the way it is, no amount of complaining will do you any good. I'm happy to send apple thousands of dollars every few years, in fact, i ENJOY it. The earned it, they made a product, i like it, i pay for it. Who are you to say it's not worth that? They own the OS, they own the phone, they decide the cost. good grief.

 

[Michael Goff]

It was more perfect than it ever was under Tim Cook.In fact Steve would never allow so many releases of one iOS version as we have now.In addition Another major mistake which Apple made was firing Steve Forstall.Ever since he was fired the quality has taken a nosedive

And that says nothing about how good the releases are and more about how SJ wanted giant releases. 200 new features to brag about instead of getting them out sooner.

 

[oldmacs]

iOS 9.0 was shown by benchmarks to be faster than iOS 8 and in one critical area, a massive improvement was noticed. Apple didn't spell out exactly where there would be performance improvements for a good reason.

What benchmarks?

Safari performance (in terms of page rendering) is slightly improved, but there are no other benchmarks. Apple specifically talked about smoother animations - they massively failed on that front. Stutters/delays/etc are frequent especially on A7 and A8 devices. Its not built in obsolescence, its just what happens every year when Apple rushes iOS and we end up with a buggy release. To me, iOS 9 sticks out like a sore thumb due to the absolute lack of new features + promises made. iOS 8 may have slowed things down, but it introduced a heck ton of new features and APIs.

 

[lagwagon]

What benchmarks?

Safari performance (in terms of page rendering) is slightly improved, but there are no other benchmarks. Apple specifically talked about smoother animations - they massively failed on that front. Stutters/delays/etc are frequent especially on A7 and A8 devices. Its not built in obsolescence, its just what happens every year when Apple rushes iOS and we end up with a buggy release. To me, iOS 9 sticks out like a sore thumb due to the absolute lack of new features + promises made. iOS 8 may have slowed things down, but it introduced a heck ton of new features and APIs.

iOS 9 has a lack of new features?

- Proactive Siri/Proactive apps on lock screen
- Content aware Siri ("remind me of this")
- Deep Search
- Low Power Mode
- Much improved Notes
- Improved email attachments
- Transit for Maps app
- iCloud Drive app
- Auto Discovering/Adding events from emails
- Depending on the carrier iOS 9 has brought wifi calling
- Wifi Assist
- Metal OS wide
- 3D Touch
- Live Photos
- Split Screen
- Slide Over
- PiP
- Safari Content Blockers
- News app
- App Thinning/Slicing
- Much Smaller overall iOS install/download size
- The ability to temporarily delete apps to make space for installing iOS and then re-installs the apps back
- Night Shift
- iCloud for iBooks
- Password/Touch ID protection for Notes (which can and probably will get expanded into more apps in iOS 10 and beyond)
- Multi User Education/Classroom app (which multi user can and probably will get expanded to iOS wide for iPads iOS 10 and beyond)

I'm probably even forgetting some, but that's a pretty extensive list of features iOS 9 has brought to us so far.

 

[Merkie]

Are we pretending iOS was perfect under SJ?

Irrelevant. No version of iOS should perform worse than its predecessor.

People seem to think that it makes sense that new software runs slower, because of new features. This is a false reasoning. Live Photos shouldn't affect Control Center animation framerate. Proactive Siri shouldn't affect Control Center animation framerate. iCloud for Books shouldn't affect Control Center framerate.

I can maybe accept that RAM requirements go up once new features are added to iOS, but new features on principle shouldn't affect performance at all. If we all accept that new features come at the expense of performance loss, like it's some inevitable destiny, developers will become lazy. Apple should challenge themselves to make every version of iOS both faster and smoother and add new features at the same time. It's not impossible, it's just a matter of setting priorities straight (e.g. decoupling iOS major version release with the new iPhone release).

 

[Radon87000]

And that says nothing about how good the releases are and more about how SJ wanted giant releases. 200 new features to brag about instead of getting them out sooner.

Because he actually waited to make sure the releases were fully ready for public release rather then release half baked software like how 9.0,9.1 and 9.2 were .9.3 is what 9.0 should have been

 

[Radon87000]

iOS 9 has a lack of new features?

- Proactive Siri/Proactive apps on lock screen
- Content aware Siri ("remind me of this")
- Deep Search
- Low Power Mode
- Much improved Notes
- Improved email attachments
- Transit for Maps app
- iCloud Drive app
- Auto Discovering/Adding events from emails
- Depending on the carrier iOS 9 has brought wifi calling
- Wifi Assist
- Metal OS wide
- 3D Touch
- Live Photos
- Split Screen
- Slide Over
- PiP
- Safari Content Blockers
- News app
- App Thinning/Slicing
- Much Smaller overall install/download size
- The ability to temporarily delete apps to make space for installing iOS and then re-installs the apps back
- Night Shift
- iCloud for iBooks
- Password/Touch ID protection for Notes (which can and probably will get expanded into more apps in iOS 10 and beyond)
- Multi User Education/Classroom app (which multi user can and probably will get expanded to iOS wide for iPads iOS 10 and beyond)

I'm probably even forgetting some, but that's a pretty extensive list of features iOS 9 has brought to us so far.

And what about performance?Third party apps already performed half of what you posted before iOS 9 was released

 

[lagwagon]

And what about performance?

Omg man. F****** give it up already. You're quoting posts that have nothing to do with performance or "lag" and continue to bring it up. My post you quoted was in response to someone saying iOS 9 had an absolute lack of new features. NOT ABOUT PERFORMANCE OR LAG.

 

[Radon87000]

iOS 9 has a lack of new features?

- Proactive Siri/Proactive apps on lock screen
- Content aware Siri ("remind me of this")(Google Now)
- Deep Search
- Low Power Mode
- Much improved Notes (Evernote)
- Improved email attachments (Outlook)
- Transit for Maps app(Google Maps)
- iCloud Drive app (Onedrive)
- Auto Discovering/Adding events from emails (outlook)
- Depending on the carrier iOS 9 has brought wifi calling (Not on my carrier)
- Wifi Assist
- Metal OS wide (Lags the crap outta my phone)
- 3D Touch (A specific iPhone feature)
- Live Photos
- Split Screen
- Slide Over
- PiP
- Safari Content Blockers
- News app (Flipboard)
- App Thinning/Slicing
- Much Smaller overall install/download size (Same as above.Stop repeating the same thing again as a new feature)
- The ability to temporarily delete apps to make space for installing iOS and then re-installs the apps back
- Night Shift
- iCloud for iBooks (Kindle)
- Password/Touch ID protection for Notes (which can and probably will get expanded into more apps in iOS 10 and beyond)(Evernote)
- Multi User Education/Classroom app (which multi user can and probably will get expanded to iOS wide for iPads iOS 10 and beyond)

I'm probably even forgetting some, but that's a pretty extensive list of features iOS 9 has brought to us so far.

Omg man. F****** give it up already. You're quoting posts that have nothing to do with performance or "lag" and continue to bring it up. My post you quoted was in response to someone saying iOS 9 had an absolute lack of new features. NOT ABOUT PERFORMANCE OR LAG.

And it does lack features.Third party apps already performed most of these features.Read my response above in brackets

 

[Radon87000]

Another classic example of planned obsolescence is the blue light reduction and content blockers.There is no reason why 32 bit processors can't handle it as jailbroken 32 bit iPhones have performed it successfully

 

[headsh0t95]

I'm laughing at how much complaints there are made here. On the Android side there is the complete mess with fragmentation (not even ONE percent of users is running the latest version), see it yourself at http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html

The performance of iOS 9 on iPad 4 is good. All features that it contains work, and the only thing that is a bit laggy is the multitasking screen. But I don't care, as long as it doesn't crash or freeze its fine.

[RANT MODE ON]
What I do hate, is that some simple new features require iPad air or higher. Take for example the content blockers. They could have sped up web browsing on older devices but they are not supported. Another great example is the upcoming Nightshift mode. It's not supported on older devices but it can actually work on them. The solution was simple: I sideloaded f.lux today (thank you Google Drive user for hosting it after the take down and thank you OSx86 for getting an OS X VM) and that works great. That means that screen color adjustments are supported by 32-bit hardware, but official support for it is just not enabled.
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It boils down that except for some weird decisions in terms of new feature support, current iOS versions perform well enough on older devices and Apple should continue to issue updates for them.

 

[I7guy]

Another classic example of planned obsolescence is the blue light reduction and content blockers.There is no reason why 32 bit processors can't handle it as jailbroken 32 bit iPhones have performed it successfully

How do you know this? Can you point to a fact or us this just another wild assertion? Or is it your opinion (slightly different than a wild assertion lol)

 

[sanke1]

Another classic example of planned obsolescence is the blue light reduction and content blockers.There is no reason why 32 bit processors can't handle it as jailbroken 32 bit iPhones have performed it successfully

I was not aware of that. So even 5c would be left out.

 

[I7guy]

And it does lack features.Third party apps already performed most of these features.Read my response above in brackets

You are aware of the operating system did EVERYTHING, there wouldn't be a need for apps or in the case of Windows programs.

Even Microsoft does/did the same thing.

 

[Radon87000]

How do you know this? Can you point to a fact or us this just another wild assertion? Or is it your opinion (slightly different than a wild assertion lol)

I have a jailbroken 5c with the same feature in front of me

 

[I7guy]

What benchmarks?

Safari performance (in terms of page rendering) is slightly improved, but there are no other benchmarks. Apple specifically talked about smoother animations - they massively failed on that front. Stutters/delays/etc are frequent especially on A7 and A8 devices. Its not built in obsolescence, its just what happens every year when Apple rushes iOS and we end up with a buggy release. To me, iOS 9 sticks out like a sore thumb due to the absolute lack of new features + promises made. iOS 8 may have slowed things down, but it introduced a heck ton of new features and APIs.

my 2 A7 devices are running well and 9.3 is gonna be a great release in time for the cycle to start over with iOS 10.
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I have a jailbroken 5c with the same feature in front of me

So thats your yardstick of planned obsolescence? Doesn't that render your "theory" a moot point?

 

[Jayderek]

Another classic example of planned obsolescence is the blue light reduction and content blockers.There is no reason why 32 bit processors can't handle it as jailbroken 32 bit iPhones have performed it successfully

when are you moving to Android again?

 

[Radon87000]

my 2 A7 devices are running well and 9.3 is gonna be a great release in time for the cycle to start over with iOS 10.
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So thats your yardstick of planned obsolescence? Doesn't that render your "theory" a moot point?

I am telling you these devices are capable of both these features which Apple intentionally doesnt implement as they want these people to upgrade

when are you moving to Android again?

How is this relevant to the discussion we are having in any way?