Planned obsolescence!

[oldmacs]

Well I think iPad 2 users have had more than enough updates. I mean it's 5 years old by this point

And I think you're wrong. Device usage statistics would suggest that the iPad 2 is still the most used iPad followed by the Mini 1, which guess what? Is a shrunken down iPad 2. Now that Apple has separated iOS development for older devices from the new ones, developing newer versions of iOS for older devices does not limit features on newer devices and developers are no longer forced to develop apps for these devices. Updates mean a secure device that remains usable for longer, and while I think iPad users should be able to downgrade, I also think iOS devices should be supported for as long as possible. Thus nobody is negatively impacted (apart from those who want to downgrade). Continued updates for older devices are also good for the environment.

Sure you can say that Apple already provides better support, and that is true. However that doesn't mean they should stop at an arbitrary point.

At the end of the day, nobody is negatively impacted upon by long software support cycles, apart from getting stuck on a slow version (though luckily if you want you can stay on an old version of iOS). Many people would be negatively impacted on if A5 devices get dropped. Its APple's fault anyway, they were greedy enough to be selling the iPad 2 well into 2014 and the Mini 1 + Touch 5 well into 2015.

 

[Radon87000]

Why am I not surprised that your "buddy" toting a Galaxy Note 5 can see what you are talking about?

Any person with a working set of eyes can see what's wrong with it

Even my buddy can see whats wrong with note 5.

What's wrong with it?

 

[John Mcgregor]

Any person with a working set of eyes can see what's wrong with it

What's wrong with it?

Well he's my buddy so i dont really question him.

 

[Merkie]

Your iPhone 6 runs very different than my sons iPhone 6.

No. It's different standards. Look at this small video: https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CU-q2OyU4AE351G.mp4

You probably see no difference between any of the jumping figures. What we (the "haters") see is that Apple used to deliver the third stick figure and iOS 9 is delivering the first stick figure.

 

[Radon87000]

No. It's different standards. Look at this small video: https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CU-q2OyU4AE351G.mp4

You probably see no difference between any of the jumping figures. What we (the "haters") see is that Apple used to deliver the third stick figure and iOS 9 is delivering the first stick figure.

That's not a normal use case.APPLE HAS RECORD BREAKING iPHONE SALES DAMMIT.Since soccer moms and casuals AKA the masses are buying so many and being satisfied you are using it wrong

/S

 

[Elisha]

The iPad 2 was super popular because it was pushed to elementary and secondary school very heavily.
Now at least in my school board, they are all getting replaced with Chromebooks.

 

[I7guy]

Any person with a working set of eyes can see what's wrong with it

What's wrong with it?

Not everybody cares to the same extent as you.
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No. It's different standards. Look at this small video: https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CU-q2OyU4AE351G.mp4

You probably see no difference between any of the jumping figures. What we (the "haters") see is that Apple used to deliver the third stick figure and iOS 9 is delivering the first stick figure.

The video is inaccurate as all stick figures should bounce up and down at exactly the same rate.

 

[Armen]

My iPhone 6 is a year old

Both of our iPhone 6's will be 3 years old when the iPhone 7 drops this year with iOS 10.
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lol.You really have buried your head in the sand if you cant see whats wrong with the CC and Spotlight on iPhone 6.Even my buddy toting a Galaxy Note 5 can see what I am talking about

my CC and spotlight are fine also. Maybe I should bury my head to? Not everyone has the same issues with the same exact phone. Why can't people understand this?

P.S. I don't have battery drain issues either.

 

[stulaw11]

No one is asking Apple to provide infinite support for their devices. But it is realistic for 2 year old devices like 5S Air 1, and Mini 2/3 to work flawlessly. But they don't which is totally opposite of Apple's promises. The uproar is against this.

Last year people complained about Safari refreshes and it's poor reliability. Do you see anyone complaining about it this year? If some people are complaining about certain aspect of iOS like lag and stutter, why don't you accept it?

If it actually was not a problem, you would'nt have had long threads about planned obsolesence, lag & stutter created by different members.

Unless people think that such threads are created by same person under different profiles?

Safari refresh was caused by low RAM a/k/a hardware before the iPhone 6 and Air 2. Well-known fact. There is no "fix" on older devices to remedy this problem via software with 512mb or 1gb or RAM.

Apple promises nothing other than the new OS is COMPATIBLE WITH those devices you list. It does not say anywhere that it will run just like the old OS introduced with that device at that time. Those OS versions were built around that hardware back at that time to run flawlessly; not built around a 2 year old piece of hardware.

It's simply not possible to forge ahead in jumps in OS complexity/features/etc and still support old hardware to 100%. The old hardware is STILL supported better than any smartphone manufacturer out there. I'd still give it a 90% which is MORE than usable. Some people are just way too sensitive and need to log off their devices for a bit.

And I think you're wrong. Device usage statistics would suggest that the iPad 2 is still the most used iPad followed by the Mini 1, which guess what? Is a shrunken down iPad 2. Now that Apple has separated iOS development for older devices from the new ones, developing newer versions of iOS for older devices does not limit features on newer devices and developers are no longer forced to develop apps for these devices. Updates mean a secure device that remains usable for longer, and while I think iPad users should be able to downgrade, I also think iOS devices should be supported for as long as possible. Thus nobody is negatively impacted (apart from those who want to downgrade). Continued updates for older devices are also good for the environment.

Sure you can say that Apple already provides better support, and that is true. However that doesn't mean they should stop at an arbitrary point.

At the end of the day, nobody is negatively impacted upon by long software support cycles, apart from getting stuck on a slow version (though luckily if you want you can stay on an old version of iOS). Many people would be negatively impacted on if A5 devices get dropped. Its APple's fault anyway, they were greedy enough to be selling the iPad 2 well into 2014 and the Mini 1 + Touch 5 well into 2015.

iPad 2 is most popular because that was the school initiative back then handing them out to schools, and they still work perfectly find for that function considering they're kids.

You assume that Apple has infinite resources and employees to test and code to every old device out there still. It's simply not reality though.

Apple is running a business, believe it or not. They're in the game of selling new devices since they don't charge for OS updates; that's how they make a good chunk of their money. Again, this is an unrealistic view.

 

[Radon87000]

Not everybody cares to the same extent as you.
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The video is inaccurate as all stick figures should bounce up and down at exactly the same rate.

So you admit the lag is there on iPhone 6 but dont care about it because its usable?

Also watch some gaming videos.The one win slower fps is always a few seconds behind the one with higher frames
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Both of our iPhone 6's will be 3 years old when the iPhone 7 drops this year with iOS 10.
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my CC and spotlight are fine also. Maybe I should bury my head to? Not everyone has the same issues with the same exact phone. Why can't people understand this?

P.S. I don't have battery drain issues either.

The iPhone 6 was rleeased in Sept 2014 meaning it will be 2 years in Sept 2016.

Its the same phone on a clean install.Turn on Reduce Transparency and Motion,play with CC and spotlight and then do it with those same options disable.There is horrible lag and to me it appears like Apple has deliberately coded in some lag to get people to upgrade to 6S

 

[C DM]

Safari refresh was caused by low RAM a/k/a hardware before the iPhone 6 and Air 2. Well-known fact. There is no "fix" on older devices to remedy this problem via software with 512mb or 1gb or RAM.

Apple promises nothing other than the new OS is COMPATIBLE WITH those devices you list. It does not say anywhere that it will run just like the old OS introduced with that device at that time. Those OS versions were built around that hardware back at that time to run flawlessly; not built around a 2 year old piece of hardware.

It's simply not possible to forge ahead in jumps in OS complexity/features/etc and still support old hardware to 100%. The old hardware is STILL supported better than any smartphone manufacturer out there. I'd still give it a 90% which is MORE than usable. Some people are just way too sensitive and need to log off their devices for a bit.



iPad 2 is most popular because that was the school initiative back then handing them out to schools, and they still work perfectly find for that function considering they're kids.

You assume that Apple has infinite resources and employees to test and code to every old device out there still. It's simply not reality though.

Apple is running a business, believe it or not. They're in the game of selling new devices since they don't charge for OS updates; that's how they make a good chunk of their money. Again, this is an unrealistic view.

Seems like Safari reload and stability issues have mostly been addressed in iOS 9 even for those who are using same old devices (with less RAM) that we're having Safari issues in iOS 8.
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So you admit the lag is there on iPhone 6 but dont care about it because its usable?
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The iPhone 6 was rleeased in Sept 2014 meaning it will be 2 years in Sept 2016.

Its the same phone on a clean install.Turn on Reduce Transparency and Motion,play with CC and spotlight and then do it with those same options disable.There is horrible lag and to me it appears like Apple has deliberately coded in some lag to get people to upgrade to 6S

Haven't we agreed a long time ago that there are animation stutters here and there and that in most cases they are trivial and isolated enough that they don't get in the way or deteriorate the experience (if they are even noticed). Seems like the same dead horse has been beaten, resurrected, killed, and beaten again quite a few times already.

 

[Jayson A]

Why do people say Apple never promised better performance for older devices? It was all over their marketing material for iOS 9. One of the perks of iOS 9 is IMPROVED PERFORMANCE.

Now, if I HAVE to buy the iPhone 6s or iPad Pro in order to take advantage of IMPROVED PERFORMANCE doesn't that kind of defeat the idea of iOS 9 being faster? Of course if I buy the latest hardware, it's going to be faster than last years model. That has nothing to do with the OS… it's raw horsepower at that point.

That's like saying… there's a firmware for your car that will make it faster.
Me: "Okay, sweet, how do I sign up?"
Them: "Actually, you have to buy our faster car first in order to take advantage of the offer."
Me: "So my car won't be affected after the update?"
Them: "Actually your car will run worse after the update, but hey… at least it won't stall as often"

So what was the point of advertising better performance if you need new hardware to see it? The iPhone 6s never had 8.x, so we don't even know how it ran on 8.x. For all we know, iOS 9.x on the iPhone 6s is worse than iOS 8.x on 6s just like every other 64bit iDevice.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Why do people say Apple never promised better performance for older devices? It was all over their marketing material for iOS 9. One of the perks of iOS 9 is IMPROVED PERFORMANCE.

Now, if I HAVE to buy the iPhone 6s or iPad Pro in order to take advantage of IMPROVED PERFORMANCE doesn't that kind of defeat the idea of iOS 9 being faster? Of course if I buy the latest hardware, it's going to be faster than last years model. That has nothing to do with the OS… it's raw horsepower at that point.

That's like saying… there's a firmware for your car that will make it faster.
Me: "Okay, sweet, how do I sign up?"
Them: "Actually, you have to buy our faster car first in order to take advantage of the offer."
Me: "So my car won't be affected after the update?"
Them: "Actually your car will run worse after the update, but hey… at least it won't stall as often"

So what was the point of advertising better performance if you need new hardware to see it? The iPhone 6s never had 8.x, so we don't even know how it ran on 8.x. For all we know, iOS 9.x on the iPhone 6s is worse than iOS 8.x on 6s just like every other 64bit iDevice.

Improved performance could be in terms of the new features making the device perform better, say for example Ad blockers in ios9 or widgets and third party keyboards.

 

[Radon87000]

Improved performance could be in terms of the new features making the device perform better, say for example Ad blockers in ios9 or widgets and third party keyboards.

The page specifically states smoother scrolling in apps and overall better performance which is simply untrue.I think that we all (CDM and i7Guy included) can agree that the performance aspect of iOS 9 was misleading advertising

 

[dk001]

Improved performance could be in terms of the new features making the device perform better, say for example Ad blockers in ios9 or widgets and third party keyboards.

Go back and rewatch the keynote.
Sigh ....

 

[Shanghaichica]

Go back and rewatch the keynote.
Sigh ....

I don't think they ever said that it would make older devices faster. Anyhow my iPad mini 3 isn't doing to great on iOS 9 but it does have a 2 year old chip. If I didn't have the 6S plus and the Air 2 I probably wouldn't notice how slow it is. On it's own it isn't that bad it's just if I've gotten off one of the newer devices and then use the mini 3 it's a bit meh.

 

[dk001]

I don't think they ever said that it would make older devices faster. Anyhow my iPad mini 3 isn't doing to great on iOS 9 but it does have a 2 year old chip. If I didn't have the 6S plus and the Air 2 I probably wouldn't notice how slow it is. On it's own it isn't that bad it's just if I've gotten off one of the newer devices and then use the mini 3 it's a bit meh.

I think the only specific mentioned was Metal and streamlined apps.
Might go back and rewatch ..... maybe

 

[Merkie]

Not everybody cares to the same extent as you.
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The video is inaccurate as all stick figures should bounce up and down at exactly the same rate.

All the figures are bouncing up and down the same rate. They are just not synced.

 

[I7guy]

All the figures are bouncing up and down the same rate. They are just not synced.

They should be synced. It's a false representation of what people are conveying to be the problem.

 

[Armen]

So you admit the lag is there on iPhone 6 but dont care about it because its usable?

Also watch some gaming videos.The one win slower fps is always a few seconds behind the one with higher frames
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The iPhone 6 was rleeased in Sept 2014 meaning it will be 2 years in Sept 2016.

Here is a video I just recorded. Where is the lag and stutter?

 

[stulaw11]

Seems like Safari reload and stability issues have mostly been addressed in iOS 9 even for those who are using same old devices (with less RAM) that we're having Safari issues in iOS 8.
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Haven't we agreed a long time ago that there are animation stutters here and there and that in most cases they are trivial and isolated enough that they don't get in the way or deteriorate the experience (if they are even noticed). Seems like the same dead horse has been beaten, resurrected, killed, and beaten again quite a few times already.

It may have been improved but pages reloading are due to not enough RAM to keep them in memory. Thats why the 2GB RAM 6S/6S Plus and iPad Pro dont reload after switching tabs. Enough RAM to keep those page images for the most part.

Unfortunately, some love to beat the dead horse more and more. This OS section of MacRumors forums has become a cesspool of lag trolls where you can't go one single page on a thread without one of the well-known lag trolls complaining (rather than switching devices like banging one's head against the wall expecting it to move). It's made the experience here less than desirable, which is why I and many others stay away from this section and even contributing anymore, which is sad. It's people contributing that makes forums work and correct/new/proper info get relayed.

Why do people say Apple never promised better performance for older devices? It was all over their marketing material for iOS 9. One of the perks of iOS 9 is IMPROVED PERFORMANCE.

Now, if I HAVE to buy the iPhone 6s or iPad Pro in order to take advantage of IMPROVED PERFORMANCE doesn't that kind of defeat the idea of iOS 9 being faster? Of course if I buy the latest hardware, it's going to be faster than last years model. That has nothing to do with the OS… it's raw horsepower at that point.

That's like saying… there's a firmware for your car that will make it faster.
Me: "Okay, sweet, how do I sign up?"
Them: "Actually, you have to buy our faster car first in order to take advantage of the offer."
Me: "So my car won't be affected after the update?"
Them: "Actually your car will run worse after the update, but hey… at least it won't stall as often"

So what was the point of advertising better performance if you need new hardware to see it? The iPhone 6s never had 8.x, so we don't even know how it ran on 8.x. For all we know, iOS 9.x on the iPhone 6s is worse than iOS 8.x on 6s just like every other 64bit iDevice.

"Improved performance" is HIGHLY subjective. 1% increase could be labeled as "increased performance"

People buying into the advertising rhetoric need to think for themselves a bit more rather than "but but but Apple said!"

 

[oldmacs]

iPad 2 is most popular because that was the school initiative back then handing them out to schools, and they still work perfectly find for that function considering they're kids.

You assume that Apple has infinite resources and employees to test and code to every old device out there still. It's simply not reality though.

Apple is running a business, believe it or not. They're in the game of selling new devices since they don't charge for OS updates; that's how they make a good chunk of their money. Again, this is an unrealistic view.

Regardless of who owns the iPad 2 and iPad Mini 1 which make up to 40 percent of installed iPads (Add the iPad 3 and it takes you to nearly 50 percent), you've got nearly 50 percent of installed iPads as A5 devices. Some of these were being sold less than 6 months ago. Abandoning nearly half your installed iPad base is not a great move. Apple shouldn't have continued selling them into 2015 if they didn't want to deal with the consequences.

Apple is one of the richest companies out there, so making excuses for them not providing the best software support possible is laughable. The environmental benefits of long term support are massive, and far more important than a small amount of upgrades that are caused by obsolete of hardware through lack of updates.

 

[C DM]

Regardless of who owns the iPad 2 and iPad Mini 1 which make up to 40 percent of installed iPads (Add the iPad 3 and it takes you to nearly 50 percent), you've got nearly 50 percent of installed iPads as A5 devices. Some of these were being sold less than 6 months ago. Abandoning nearly half your installed iPad base is not a great move. Apple shouldn't have continued selling them into 2015 if they didn't want to deal with the consequences.

Apple is one of the richest companies out there, so making excuses for them not providing the best software support possible is laughable. The environmental benefits of long term support are massive, and far more important than a small amount of upgrades that are caused by obsolete of hardware through lack of updates.

Given how updates go for many older devices, in a way it seems kind of reasonable to say that perhaps not having more updates and staying on an older version might actually allow those devices to function better with an OS version that is more up to the speed of those devices vs. a newer one that they might struggle more with and thus have a worse experience.

 

[oldmacs]

Given how updates go for many older devices, in a way it seems kind of reasonable to say that perhaps not having more updates and staying on an older version might actually allow those devices to function better with an OS version that is more up to the speed of those devices vs. a newer one that they might struggle more with and thus have a worse experience.

However they will be unable to update to new apps, left totally insecure etc. The best solution would be that Apple allows downgrading, or if Apple made it clearer that the new version might run slower, thus giving people the choice to upgrade or not based on that. Personally I would prefer a slower device than one that is not safe to use.

 

[C DM]

However they will be unable to update to new apps, left totally insecure etc. The best solution would be that Apple allows downgrading, or if Apple made it clearer that the new version might run slower, thus giving people the choice to upgrade or not based on that. Personally I would prefer a slower device than one that is not safe to use.

Seems like quite a few people would prefer it the other way around, given the vocal posts in various iOS 9 threads (as well as similar ones in iOS 8 threads shortly after it came out, and iOS 7 threads shortly after it came out, etc.).

That said, yes, the ability to downgrade would certainly be a welcome change (even if it's not really a realistic one to even really hope for).