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Michael Goff

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My biggest problem with planned obselence part is the planned part, to be honest. I forget if I already said that.
 

Merkie

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They should be synced. It's a false representation of what people are conveying to be the problem.
Proves my point that you have poor eyesight. The only thing you see is a misalignment in timing.
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Seems like quite a few people would prefer it the other way around, given the vocal posts in various iOS 9 threads (as well as similar ones in iOS 8 threads shortly after it came out, and iOS 7 threads shortly after it came out, etc.).

That said, yes, the ability to downgrade would certainly be a welcome change (even if it's not really a realistic one to even really hope for).
That's not a solution but a workaround. A solution would be to develop updates that actually make iOS perform better (= fast and smoother).
 

John Mcgregor

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It's not planned, it just happens, because no one will support your device forever. In that sense you can say it is planned, but it is not like they just consciously decided to do that.
 

jhuynh

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Everyone obsessed with the 60fps "issue" must really hate watching all movies and their 24fps.
 

TC03

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I don't think they ever said that it would make older devices faster. Anyhow my iPad mini 3 isn't doing to great on iOS 9 but it does have a 2 year old chip. If I didn't have the 6S plus and the Air 2 I probably wouldn't notice how slow it is. On it's own it isn't that bad it's just if I've gotten off one of the newer devices and then use the mini 3 it's a bit meh.
http://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/

Faster and more responsive.
The apps in iOS 9 now take advantage of Metal, making more efficient use of the CPU and GPU to deliver faster scrolling, smoother animation, and better overall performance. Email, messages, web pages, and PDFs render faster. And multitasking features on iPad feel fluid and natural.
 

I7guy

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Gotta be in it to win it
Or maybe people don't WANT to see them because of religious love for a company
Or maybe the issue isn't as bad or prevalent as a few posters would have us believe.
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Not only that, but when you clicked 'Upgrade' on all devices, you were shown a list of new features for iOS 9, with speed improvements highlighted as a major feature.
Ipad 2, speed improvement. iPhone 5s no change. iPhone 6 not really a change. However benchmarks do show speed improvement; so no false advertising.
 

sanke1

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Everyone obsessed with the 60fps "issue" must really hate watching all movies and their 24fps.
I love watching movies at 24 fps and also love games and UI of iPhones to be at 60 fps.

I hope that I have cleared your doubts.
 

C DM

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You don't watch movies 5 inches from your face
Plenty of people watch movies close up on tablets and phones.
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Well, if we are going to make specific call outs, it seems that what is said and highlighted in what is quoted there specifically seems to refer to apps and multitasking on iPads. There's no reference to older devices, as there is no reference to Control Center, as there is no reference to anything on the iPhone.
 

oldmacs

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Ipad 2, speed improvement. iPhone 5s no change. iPhone 6 not really a change. However benchmarks do show speed improvement; so no false advertising.

If you want to make those claims post some evidence.. as always.

some increases in web benchmarks which apply to one application do not equal speed improvements overall.
 

I7guy

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If you want to make those claims post some evidence.. as always.

some increases in web benchmarks which apply to one application do not equal speed improvements overall.
You just made my point by agreeing there were increases in web benchmarks. So that does come under the headings "performance improvements" and ergo there is nothing further to explain. I hate picking nits like this, but that is what the conversation is about. an improvement is an improvement.
 
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TC03

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Plenty of people watch movies close up on tablets and phones.
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Well, if we are going to make specific call outs, it seems that what is said and highlighted in what is quoted there specifically seems to refer to apps and multitasking on iPads. There's no reference to older devices, as there is no reference to Control Center, as there is no reference to anything on the iPhone.
No it does not. It is about improvemed performance and smoother animations in general. There is a reference to older devices, it talks about improvements. An improvoment is by definition a comparison to an older situation (=iOS 8). iOS 8 only runs on older phones.
That isn't what most people experience. Even many of the ones that are noticing the stuttering and complaining about it have pointed out about it being just in some places. If anything this simply goes back to what I've been saying from the beginning, that while some of the smaller occasional things might be there for everyone, something beyond those isn't something that's there for everyone.
If people don't experience it, that's on them. FPS isn't an opinion, it's fact.
 

C DM

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No it does not. It is about improvemed performance and smoother animations in general. There is a reference to older devices, it talks about improvements. An improvoment is by definition a comparison to an older situation (=iOS 8). iOS 8 only runs on older phones.If people don't experience it, that's on them. FPS isn't an opinion, it's fact.
An improvement is also referred to how something new works compared to something older, as in a new model compared to an older one, at least that's certainly the case how it gets treated in the advertising and copywriting world, which is what that is.

As for experiencing issues, someone not experiencing something doesn't mean they aren't seeing it, it can very well mean they don't have that issue. We already covered that some base issues are there, but it certainly doesn't mean that everything beyond them is there in the same fashion for everyone.
 

rctlr

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As per the many other threads, apple need to allow the older devices to go back to the shipping versions they were supplied with. Let consumers "CHOOSE" what they want to do, not apple force versions on consumers for market share and PR reasons. And yes, no one forces you to upgrade, but you don't know what its like until you try it. That argument is like saying well you cant complain your hotel was crap or your car had a fault - you "CHOOSE" to buy it..

Resetting to Factory/Shipping Version does seem like a good idea if someone wants "just a phone" - but malware and security patching still needs to be applied, and this is where it falls down.

I think force updates are probably more about security on the older devices than functionality.
Its easier to install new version with some / all additional functionality turned off. iPhone 4s for example has very little in terms of major iOS9 functionality.
Keeping previous iOSes security patched involves work, I doubt they have enough software engineers to backport code to previous iOSes. We saw that with MacOS - lots of people wanted iCloud on Snow Leopard, it never happened.

With portable devices the longevity is even lower than Desktops/Laptops. There is a point where you have to let the old go.
 
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TC03

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An improvement is also referred to how something new works compared to something older, as in a new model compared to an older one, at least that's certainly the case how it gets treated in the advertising and copywriting world, which is what that is.
If that's true, that's incredibly misleading. Then they're basicly saying: iOS 9 is better, but only if you buy a new device. Honestly, that makes zero sense.

As for experiencing issues, someone not experiencing something doesn't mean they aren't seeing it, it can very well mean they don't have that issue. We already covered that some base issues are there, but it certainly doesn't mean that everything beyond them is there in the same fashion for everyone.
I'm just saying it's not ocassionally.

The control center animation always stutters.
Scrolling through Twitter always stutters.
Scrolling through Facebook always stutters.
The 3D Touch animation always stutters.

It's impossible to replicate those animations without stutter.
 
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C DM

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If that's true, that's incredibly misleading. Then they're basicly saying: iOS 9 is better, but only if you buy a new device. Honestly, that makes zero sense.

I'm just saying it's not ocassionally.

The control center animation always stutters.
Scrolling through Twitter always stutters.
Scrolling through Facebook always stutters.
The 3D Touch animation always stutters.

It's impossible to replicate those animations without stutter.
I'm saying that that specific wording that was quoted and highlighted specifically said those things that I mentioned and specifically didn't say anything beyond that.

And as for stutters, while some might be present in some places, they are certainly not everywhere as was implied. And even many of those experiencing them have mentioned that at times they weren't experiencing some of them or to the same degree.
 
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