Possible major blow for Huawei Smartphones

[5105973]

This is the most comprehensive article on trade theft...stealing IP and stealing company secrets i have seen to date.
A company culture of stealing from other companies and releasing products that were almost the same.
A culture around having relatives and employees going to work for rivals for the sole purpose of stealing company secrets.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/huawei...d-dubious-ethics-11558756858?mod=hp_lead_pos5

That’s why I have mixed feelings about all of this. I despise them for all of that and laugh at their karma, but in way too many markets their phones were the best-featured at decent prices, so I feel sorry for the customers, mainly.

If they hadn’t been banned and had their deal with AT&T shut down, I wonder if they would have cleaned up their act to avoid bad press. Samsung stopped being a copycat and built a legitimate reputation for innovation only a few years ago. I think they hit a turning point with the S7 Edge being a hit, and have been genuine and impressive since then.

Every company has its fair share of dirt. I could have forgiven Huawei theirs, had that deal gone through and they gave us great products with no monkey business behind the scenes. But that’s a lot of “if’s” that never came to fruition.

Huawei got their legs cut out from under them just as they were actually starting to bring something new and exciting and theirs to the table.

It’s a shame. I think the competition might have pushed Apple (and Google) to some incredible heights on a much faster timetable than we could ever hope to see now. Look at the fire they lit under Samsung’s tail.

 

[JPack]

LG is Korean. Also, Huawei is fairly unique as being deeply tied to the Chinese government.

The point is, you don’t need to be a member of the SD Association to make SD compatible products. Asus, given how big it is, isn’t a member either.

 

[jamezr]

This has been going on for a while now from Huawei

“I don't think that the U.S. has actually been aggressive,” Khan said. “I think that Huawei has been aggressive against the United States and the U.S. has been very muted in this response. What I would like to see is more conversation around American intellectual property, and how much has been stolen versus what we can do to prevent future instances.”

Huawei is a 'national security threat' that tried to steal my tech: Akhan Semiconductor CEO

http://flip.it/S4h0_f

 

[Tsepz]

Wow interesting but what about Samsung stealing almost everything what apple invented.

Lol, no no, we excuse Samsung for all that, Huawei is much MUCH worse somehow

It’s hilarious reading all this as almost all these companies follow a similar culture to get their foot in the door anyway, due to the red tape in the industry. Very same situation playing out in the car industry.

I have said it before, sometime ago Samsung were literally in Huawei’s position (not as munch politics involved though), accusations of copying and stealing tech from both US and Japanese companies. Samsung were at some point seen as very anti-Google as well around the Galaxy Note 3 period, they were also caught cheating in benchmarks etc etc etc.... it all feels like such deja vu

It was only around the Galaxy S6 period where people began to fully accept Samsung and overlook accusations against them.

Huawei is mostly guilt of rising far too quickly, to a point where they were really leaving some competition seriously behind in some areas, especially in Telecoms.

The next 3 months are going to be very interesting me thinks

 

[5105973]

Lol, no no, we excuse Samsung for all that, Huawei is much MUCH worse somehow

It’s hilarious reading all this as almost all these companies follow a similar culture to get their foot in the door anyway, due to the red tape in the industry. Very same situation playing out in the car industry.

I have said it before, sometime ago Samsung were literally in Huawei’s position (not as munch politics involved though), accusations of copying and stealing tech from both US and Japanese companies. Samsung were at some point seen as very anti-Google as well around the Galaxy Note 3 period, they were also caught cheating in benchmarks etc etc etc.... it all feels like such deja vu

It was only around the Galaxy S6 period where people began to fully accept Samsung and overlook accusations against them.

Huawei is mostly guilt of rising far too quickly, to a point where they were really leaving some competition seriously behind in some areas, especially in Telecoms.

The next 3 months are going to be very interesting me thinks

I don’t know if Samsung actually did as much or any actual industrial espionage of the type Huawei was caught out on. I could be wrong but I thought they were mainly guilty of copying and reverse engineering, but not corporate espionage. You’re welcome to correct me on that because I genuinely am not sure and would love to have the facts.

Huawei putting spies out in positions of trust in competing companies is harder for the public and affected companies to forgive. But...like I said previously, all of these companies including Apple have some dirt on them.

Huawei was just hitting their stride and doing some actual innovating. It’s a shame we here in the US didn’t get to see them go up against Apple. Apple has gotten ponderous and needs a good boot up theirs backsides.

 

[Healer Flame]

Lol, no no, we excuse Samsung for all that, Huawei is much MUCH worse somehow

It’s hilarious reading all this as almost all these companies follow a similar culture to get their foot in the door anyway, due to the red tape in the industry. Very same situation playing out in the car industry.

I have said it before, sometime ago Samsung were literally in Huawei’s position (not as munch politics involved though), accusations of copying and stealing tech from both US and Japanese companies. Samsung were at some point seen as very anti-Google as well around the Galaxy Note 3 period, they were also caught cheating in benchmarks etc etc etc.... it all feels like such deja vu

It was only around the Galaxy S6 period where people began to fully accept Samsung and overlook accusations against them.

Huawei is mostly guilt of rising far too quickly, to a point where they were really leaving some competition seriously behind in some areas, especially in Telecoms.

The next 3 months are going to be very interesting me thinks

Overall they all are under the mercy of google. Android is the king of operating system.
[doublepost=1558831429][/doublepost]Car giant manufacturers steal each other's technology but you never hear lawsuits.

 

[Tsepz]

I don’t know if Samsung actually did as much or any actual industrial espionage of the type Huawei was caught out on. I could be wrong but I thought they were mainly guilty of copying and reverse engineering, but not corporate espionage. You’re welcome to correct me on that because I genuinely am not sure and would love to have the facts.

Huawei putting spies out in positions of trust in competing companies is harder for the public and affected companies to forgive. But...like I said previously, all of these companies including Apple have some dirt on them.

Huawei was just hitting their stride and doing some actual innovating. It’s a shame we here in the US didn’t get to see them go up against Apple. Apple has gotten ponderous and needs a good boot up theirs backsides.

Indeed, Samsung have A LOT of dirt, not just internally, but the family that owns Samsung themselves have also done a whole lot of questionable things. Also, much like Huawei, Samsung were government funded and subsidized, the only difference is the relationship one gov has with the US gov, however that’s a whole other discussion we may have in another part of this forum.

This the thing though, I tend to focus on the products and not background, as it NEVER is a good outlook for any of these discussions. No matter who is supposedly worse than the other.

Indeed,Huawei has really found their footing and were starting to make their own mark. This situation will be an opportunity for them to rebrand and recapture the consumer post this whole situation,they already have the R&D and know how.

 

[ramram55]

The Chinese is the serious threat to challenge US supremacy in the world. The end result is put them out. The fact is 1 billion people minds and aspirations cannot be put down. Mao use to say more hands mean more miracle. I do now want to say more least someone already said my writing is always senseless. What a jerk.

 

[Healer Flame]

The Chinese is the serious threat to challenge US supremacy in the world. The end result is put them out. The fact is 1 billion people minds and aspirations cannot be put down. Mao use to say more hands mean more miracle. I do now want to say more least someone already said my writing is always senseless. What a jerk.

Chinese retaliation will be as hard. Our life revolves with Chinese made products in almost every way.

 

[ramram55]

Yes. There is a saying even your under garment is made there.

 

[jamezr]

Lol, no no, we excuse Samsung for all that, Huawei is much MUCH worse somehow
I have said it before, sometime ago Samsung were literally in Huawei’s position (not as munch politics involved though), accusations of copying and stealing tech from both US and Japanese companies. Samsung were at some point seen as very anti-Google as well around the Galaxy Note 3 period, they were also caught cheating in benchmarks etc etc etc.... it all feels like such deja vu

Not defending Samsung here as they were found guilty of copying Apple to some degree in court.

But if you read the articles I posted.......show me where Samsung came close to that kind of spying and theft?
The blatant theft of business partners IP is very well documented against Huawei.

The evidence against Huawei and being banned by the US government is nowhere near what Samsung went through with their court cases with Apple...not even close

 

[Shanghaichica]

Not defending Samsung here as they were found guilty of copying Apple to some degree in court.

But if you read the articles I posted.......show me where Samsung came close to that kind of spying and theft?
The blatant theft of business partners IP is very well documented against Huawei.

The evidence against Huawei and being banned by the US government is nowhere near what Samsung went through with their court cases with Apple...not even close

I agree. They were found guilty of violating some of Apple’s patents in certain courts in certain countries, mainly in the US. A lot of Apple’s cases against Samsung were thrown out in Europe and South Korea.

It’s not only Apple that Huwawei stole from. They stole from Samsung and other companies too.

Samsung’s heir was found guilty of bribing the then president of South Korea. He went to jail ( the heir) and she (president) was sacked. So yes that’s not great but that was within Korea. They haven’t committed global theft or espionage.

 

[Healer Flame]

Mmmm...so Huawei was getting a free ride at the expense of others. No wonder the climbing was too fast. At least Samsung worked too hard for many years to reach to where they are now.

 

[Tsepz]

Not defending Samsung here as they were found guilty of copying Apple to some degree in court.

But if you read the articles I posted.......show me where Samsung came close to that kind of spying and theft?
The blatant theft of business partners IP is very well documented against Huawei.

The evidence against Huawei and being banned by the US government is nowhere near what Samsung went through with their court cases with Apple...not even close

POTUS apparently considering making Huawei part of a trade deal. All that falls away really if he puts that in and goes to show what the real reason behind all this is.

As I have said, there is not a single company that doesn’t have skeletons in its closet, be it in terms of IP, human rights or other issues. Samsung have had their fair share of IP theft lawsuits, bribery issues and other underhanded tactics.

 

[Shanghaichica]

POTUS apparently considering making Huawei part of a trade deal. All that falls away really if he puts that in and goes to show what the real reason behind all this is.

As I have said, there is not a single company that doesn’t have skeletons in its closet, be it in terms of IP, human rights or other issues. Samsung have had their fair share of IP theft lawsuits, bribery issues and other underhanded tactics.

They may well be involved in spying but the real reason is the trade war. He even said he would trade the CEO for a favourable trade deal with China. However regardless of the reasons, if you are outside of China it isn’t a good idea to buy a Huawei device unfortunately.

Samsung are not angel’s but they haven’t been accused of anything as bad as Huawei. Trump has made them sound like the devil.

 

[michael9891]

Regardless of what Huawei may or may not have done, I think it’s clear that the reason everything has been happening this past week is down to one reason. Trump using Huawei to get what he wants in a trade deal.

 

[Healer Flame]

Well, to be honest the biggest credit should go to Motorola who invented mobile phones in 1973 for a start.
Other companies followed but apple revolutionized modern phones. Motorola now days nowhere to be seen.
https://www.knowyourmobile.com/noki...-phones-1973-2008-handsets-made-it-all-happen
[doublepost=1558868903][/doublepost]

[doublepost=1558869785][/doublepost]Samsung was making noodles when others were inventing modern technology.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017...ecades-before-it-became-an-electronics-giant/

 

[Shanghaichica]

Some interesting discussions on the topic

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-vergecast/id430333725?i=1000439227039

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/android-central-podcast/id359703665?i=1000439327442

 

[jamezr]

POTUS apparently considering making Huawei part of a trade deal. All that falls away really if he puts that in and goes to show what the real reason behind all this is.

As I have said, there is not a single company that doesn’t have skeletons in its closet, be it in terms of IP, human rights or other issues. Samsung have had their fair share of IP theft lawsuits, bribery issues and other underhanded tactics.

Sorry...but you didn't just say not a single company has skeletons. You likened Samsung to EXACTLY what Huawei is doing. They are soooo vastly different

Huawei has sent employees to work for rivals with the specific intent to steal their IP then bring it back to Huawei
Thye has been caught doing this numerous times.
Just the fact that you made the statement below says either you never read the articles posted about this or you are trying to deflect

Lol, no no, we excuse Samsung for all that, Huawei is much MUCH worse somehow

It’s hilarious reading all this as almost all these companies follow a similar culture to get their foot in the door anyway, due to the red tape in the industry. Very same situation playing out in the car industry.

I have said it before, sometime ago Samsung were literally in Huawei’s position (not as munch politics involved though), accusations of copying and stealing tech from both US and Japanese companies. Samsung were at some point seen as very anti-Google as well around the Galaxy Note 3 period, they were also caught cheating in benchmarks etc etc etc.... it all feels like such deja vu

 

[Tsepz]

Sorry...but you didn't just say not a single company has skeletons. You likened Samsung to EXACTLY what Huawei is doing. They are soooo vastly different

Huawei has sent employees to work for rivals with the specific intent to steal their IP then bring it back to Huawei
Thye has been caught doing this numerous times.
Just the fact that you made the statement below says either you never read the articles posted about this or you are trying to deflect

Indeed, although in Samsung’s case not as much politics involved.

If POTUS is prepared to put them as part of a trade war deal then it really reflects of how much more politically motivated this is rather than IP theft, national security and whatever else they were being blocked for/then given a grace period for.

 

[Tsepz]

Regardless of what Huawei may or may not have done, I think it’s clear that the reason everything has been happening this past week is down to one reason. Trump using Huawei to get what he wants in a trade deal.

Exactly my point, it’s become more obvious with every move he had made now.

Anyway, it seems Bluetooth and WiFi Association have also turned their backs on Huawei now.

With all these companies now turning their backs, I do wonder how easily will Huawei climb back up, will they merge ZTE or rebrand?

The Huawei marketing and PR departments are going to be working overtime later this year, over and above what they are now.

 

[jamezr]

Indeed, although in Samsung’s case not as much politics involved.

If POTUS is prepared to put them as part of a trade war deal then it really reflects of how much more politically motivated this is rather than IP theft, national security and whatever else they were being blocked for/then given a grace period for.

agreed that a lot of this is politics......But now that Huawei is under a microscope all the theft and spying is coming out. Then they have civil and federal cases against them that will soon go to trial that has nothing to do with the ban...they were in place before the ban.
All the documented theft and espionage Huawei has done is no where close to anything Samsung did. Not even close

 

[Tsepz]

agreed that a lot of this is politics......But now that Huawei is under a microscope all the theft and spying is coming out. Then they have civil and federal cases against them that will soon go to trial that has nothing to do with the ban...they were in place before the ban.
All the documented theft and espionage Huawei has done is no where close to anything Samsung did. Not even close

Lol, the sad part here is that it’s acceptable that they both have these issues and we are talking about what is worse than the other, which is a useless argument altogether at the end of the day.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Indeed, although in Samsung’s case not as much politics involved.

If POTUS is prepared to put them as part of a trade war deal then it really reflects of how much more politically motivated this is rather than IP theft, national security and whatever else they were being blocked for/then given a grace period for.

Samsung copied aspects of the iPhone once it was already on the market and out there for everyone to see. Huawei are stealing technology before it comes to market and then trying to pass it off as their own work. They stole the folding screen technology from Samsung. A technology Samsung had been working on for years and years.

 

[jamezr]

Lol, the sad part here is that it’s acceptable that they both have these issues and we are talking about what is worse than the other, which is a useless argument altogether at the end of the day.

lol ...what is sad...is that you obviously did not read the articles that I posted...or you would not equivocate the 2 companies