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Freida

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If all you want to do is unlock your phone and not look at notifications then you do it the same way as always. Press home and wait for touchid to be registered. I must have typed this over 20 times now.
no, its not that. Phone on the table, i get a message and phone lits up. I rest my finger on the home button (without pressing it) to expect the phone to unlock as it worked in iOS 9 so I can read the message.

Simple as that.
 
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Feenician

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Calm down, no need to get worked up over this. I'm just trying to consolidate your conflicting descriptions of what you see happening, before I assume that there is something wrong with my phone and go on a wild goose chase.

On one hand you say a single home button press and rest gets you from a locked, blank screen device straight to the home screen. This is contrary to my own experience with iOS 10beta (but exactly how it was in iOS 9).

On the other hand you say that if you unlock the device using one of three methods (of which pressing the home button is one) it wakes up the device in a locked state from which it transitions to unlocked of you rest your finger on the sensor for a little while. From this unlocked state (from where you could do secure interactions with widgets) you get to the home screen by pressing the home button again. This is in line with my experience.

Perhaps English is not your first language and I should have a little more patience with you. Let's drill down on this, shall we?

On the other hand you say that if you unlock the device using one of three methods (of which pressing the home button is one)

What I said, unedited but highlighted for your convenience was

If I wake the phone by using raise to wake, the power button, or the home button without resting my finger on it

Since this is the plainest English it is possible to use if you still don't comprehend this then language lessons are probably your first port of call.
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no, its not that. Phone on the table, i get a message and phone lits up. I rest my finger on the home button (without pressing it) to expect the phone to unlock as it worked in iOS 9 so I can read the message.

Simple as that.

What you "expect" is quite irrelevant. Resting your finger on the home screen when it's lit up by a notification now has another function. I'm sure you'll be able to adapt to this simple change with time.
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Not sure I understand what you are saying vis a vis my quote you pulled out and commented on. My point was that the use of the buttons in Watch OS 1 and 2 was confusing, something Apple seems to have fixed in Watch OS 3. Sounds like you agree with that premise but I'm not 100% sure.

Seems many on Macrumors have trouble with the basics of the English language.

The push home button to unlock is overly complicated just like the use of the two buttons on Watch OS 1 and 2

You quite clearly said the use of two buttons on Watch OS 1 and 2 is "overly complicated". In reality the second button, the one that called up the Friends interface was rarely used since few people wanted to talk to a watch and text input methods were severely limited. In practice (and a cursory glance at these forums and online reviews at launch, and since confirms this) that button was rarely used for anything other than Apple Pay.

Now, in watchOS 3, that button operates a piece of key functionality, the Dock, making the use of the second button more crucial than ever. Something I pretty clearly said here

The use of both buttons is now more likely than ever. The fairly useless friends button now shows the dock, which is key to watchOS 3.

With any luck this now clears up what I was saying, "vis a vis (your) quote" that I pulled out and commented on. If not I fear it will be difficult to make it any clearer for you.
 
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Freida

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What you "expect" is quite irrelevant. Resting your finger on the home screen when it's lit up by a notification now has another function. I'm sure you'll be able to adapt to this simple change with time.

I don't want to. I was used to certain way for years. Don't see a reason why Apple wouldn't leave it as an option. An extra press of a button is exactly what I don't want to do. Unintuitive and unnecessary and I can bet you that once the change is out it will cause more people to complain. Just sit back and watch once its out
 

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Again, calm down, and watch it with the ad hominem attacks.

If I wake the phone by using raise to wake, the power button, or the home button without resting my finger on it

I'm getting essentially the same behaviour whether I rest my finger or not. The only difference is that if I leave my finger on the button after the initial press the phone unlocks practically instantly, instead of staying locked and waiting for me to touch the button. Either way I end up with an unlocked phone that invites me to press home (again) in order to get to the home screen.

The only way I can avoid the second button press is by raising the phone and then doing a "slow press", effectively a touch followed by a press after a short wait. If I just press down all the way without delay the phone unlocks but leaves me on the pin pad (as described in my first post). Hence I think there may be a race condition there somewhere, which makes the whole process timing sensitive. Race conditions like that have proven useful in the past for bypassing lock screen security, and I think I will report this to Apple via the feedback app.
 

Feenician

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I don't want to. I was used to certain way for years. Don't see a reason why Apple wouldn't leave it as an option. An extra press of a button is exactly what I don't want to do. Unintuitive and unnecessary and I can bet you that once the change is out it will cause more people to complain. Just sit back and watch once its out

I really have no doubt the terminally unadaptable will complain.
 

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Well maybe for you, but it's not natural on an non-Touch ID device

Clicking the Home Button to go to the Home Screen doesn't get any more natural...that's how you do it everywhere else. In fact, that is the sole purpose of the button. It is good that going forward, this will be true 100% of the time, instead of 99%. It is also good that going forward, Raise to Wake will be the new norm, as again clicking the Home Button should have its 1 job, and not double as the primary means of waking the display (secondary means is fine.)
 

wankey

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Apple has trained nearly a billion users for 3 years on their 5s -> 6s devices that resting your finger and tapping the home button once goes to the springboard.

They've already alleviated the issue of blowing past your notifications with Raise to Wake. Why did they bother adding an extra step?

It's the first thing I noticed, and overall pissed me off. The real issue is that I'm forced to change my behavior for no good reason, and secondly there's no real feedback on why it hasn't gone to the home screen.

In general iOS 10 is a big step backwards in "intuitive" UI design, and that've started moving UI design more visual, rather than hard intuition. (Visual here meaning, placing a massive text and making it dumb, rather than studying how users to every day objects and mimicking them so there is no learning curve)
 

Feenician

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watch it with the ad hominem attacks.

You might want to look up what ad hominem means. My rebuttal to your argument (such as it is) by refuting it factually. Pointing out you appear not to be able to parse simple English is incidental.


The problem you describe is on your end. It works as I've described for me and many others on all sorts of devices.
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Apple has trained nearly a billion users for 3 years on their 5s -> 6s devices that resting your finger and tapping the home button once goes to the springboard.

They've already alleviated the issue of blowing past your notifications with Raise to Wake. Why did they bother adding an extra step?

It's the first thing I noticed, and overall pissed me off. The real issue is that I'm forced to change my behavior for no good reason, and secondly there's no real feedback on why it hasn't gone to the home screen.

In general iOS 10 is a big step backwards in "intuitive" UI design, and that've started moving UI design more visual, rather than hard intuition. (Visual here meaning, placing a massive text and making it dumb, rather than studying how users to every day objects and mimicking them so there is no learning curve)

And still a simple change eludes people.

First, "raise to wake" is available on 3 models only.

Second, it's not about "blowing by notifications" (which, as I've said can still be done) but interacting with them securely.
 
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Apple has trained nearly a billion users for 3 years on their 5s -> 6s devices that resting your finger and tapping the home button once goes to the springboard.

They've already alleviated the issue of blowing past your notifications with Raise to Wake. Why did they bother adding an extra step?

It's the first thing I noticed, and overall pissed me off. The real issue is that I'm forced to change my behavior for no good reason, and secondly there's no real feedback on why it hasn't gone to the home screen.

In general iOS 10 is a big step backwards in "intuitive" UI design, and that've started moving UI design more visual, rather than hard intuition. (Visual here meaning, placing a massive text and making it dumb, rather than studying how users to every day objects and mimicking them so there is no learning curve)
Couldn't agree more. This extra step is a step back. There are other little things but this one will piss off a lot of people. It goes against any intuitive behaviour that was praised by apple for all those years.
 

Feenician

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No, that's ad hominem, especially when it made the bulk of your "rebuttal".

No, pointing out your assertion that my "conflicting descriptions", which were not in conflict at all, formed the bulk of my rebuttal. Pointing out that I'd stated the concepts in plain English was incidental. In any case this conversation is a waste of time. If you're not seeing the behavior I've described clearly then you have a local issue, configuration, software, hardware or wetware.
 

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Couldn't agree more. This extra step is a step back. There are other little things but this one will piss off a lot of people. It goes against any intuitive behaviour that was praised by apple for all those years.

There is new functionality in ios10 that REQUIRES resting pushing the home button to take you to the home screen. For example, many of the home screen widgets that show sensitive data will require the phone to be unlocked in order to work (such as Find Friends, which states "unlock phone to see location").

If Apple kept things as they were, it would be impossible to unlock the phone and not go to the home screen, therefore bypassing the widgets. This way the phone can be unlocked AND information seen. It's how it should be.
 

Feenician

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Couldn't agree more. This extra step is a step back. There are other little things but this one will piss off a lot of people. It goes against any intuitive behaviour that was praised by apple for all those years.

The "extra step" is optional, is introduced for new functionality and, if you have a more elegant suggestion I'd love to hear it.
 

ItsGavinC

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Because other aspects of the OS wouldn't work if they left it the same. Is this not obvious?
 

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I press the home button to wake the screen, Touch ID "unlocks" the device, but over half the time it still says "press home to open" - even though I did and it clearly registered as the screen is on and the device is unlocked.

If this is a bug, ok. But if it's the expected behaviour than yes, it is a really lousy step back. On the 6 Touch ID takes a second, so you have to press the button, WAIT, and then press again. Making other devices terrible just to make your latest more appealing is a great way to alienate your users.
 
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Feenician

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I press the home button to wake the screen, Touch ID "unlocks" the device, but over half the time it still says "press home to open"

Since you're seeing the behavior on a random basis I think it's safe to say it's a bug (or an issue with your fingerprint, or with your device etc.). What are the chances that Apple, or any other company, would include a random number generator as part of the unlocking process?
 

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Since you're seeing the behavior on a random basis I think it's safe to say it's a bug (or an issue with your fingerprint, or with your device etc.). What are the chances that Apple, or any other company, would include a random number generator as part of the unlocking process?
Include a random number generator as part of the unlocking process?!
Lol. This is the most ridiculous place I can ever imagine putting a random number generator.
 

Feenician

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Include a random number generator as part of the unlocking process?!
Lol. This is the most ridiculous place I can ever imagine putting a random number generator.

Obvious to you and I, I guess, but perhaps less obvious to the person asking if it's a feature?
 

Shirasaki

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All of those posts are just spinning here and there. No actual progress of the discussion.
Since this is a beta, we should just sit down, drink teas, and patiently wait for future beta. If Apple think theirs is always right, we can then bash what Apple choose using offical iOS 10.0. Right now, inconsistent result greatly reduces the credibility of everyone's comments. Everyone think theirs is correct, and no one can reasonably persuade each other.
Side notes: Nep Symphonia is a really beautiful BGM.
 

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Obvious to you and I, I guess, but perhaps less obvious to the person asking if it's a feature?
Maybe. But I can hardly believe this can be introduced as a "feature". Playing rhythm game every single time unlocking device? Horrible.

But right now we are on this boat. So, hmm, who knows.
 

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There is new functionality in ios10 that REQUIRES resting pushing the home button to take you to the home screen. For example, many of the home screen widgets that show sensitive data will require the phone to be unlocked in order to work (such as Find Friends, which states "unlock phone to see location").

If Apple kept things as they were, it would be impossible to unlock the phone and not go to the home screen, therefore bypassing the widgets. This way the phone can be unlocked AND information seen. It's how it should be.
So those that don't use those screen widgets and just want the phone unlocked so they can use it straight away are now punished with an extra step? I'm all up for customisation so if this BS is optional then I am more than happy for those of you that like it. If its forced onto us without an option to be able to switch it off then I will be unhappy because it means that I have to force myself to do something that is unnatural to me.
You like it, I don't. I'm not asking it to go away, I'm asking for the option to switch it off if I don't want to have it.

Nothing wrong with that request. And seeing that I am not the only one I think its fairly reasonable, don't you think?
 

Feenician

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So those that don't use those screen widgets and just want the phone unlocked so they can use it straight away are now punished with an extra step?

Under most circumstances, no. If you're just unlocking from a sleeping phone then it just works as it always did. If you use raise to wake (optional, can be disabled) you have to press (which, incidentally is the same number of presses as if you weren't. One) or if your phone was lit by an incoming notification, currently, yes.

This is how it works now. This is a beta. If you're going to whinge every time something changes in a beta it's probably not for you.
 
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And still a simple change eludes people.

First, "raise to wake" is available on 3 models only.

Second, it's not about "blowing by notifications" (which, as I've said can still be done) but interacting with them securely.

The problem Apple's been trying to solve is the hyper fast touchID. Raise to wake solves that problem already. There was no need to introduce extra functionality that adds little to no benefit to the end user, I've seen multiple threads popup about this issue, so clearly it isn't as intuitive as they originally thought.

I'm not sure what points you are trying to argue in your response.
 

Feenician

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The problem Apple's been trying to solve is the hyper fast touchID. Raise to wake solves that problem already. There was no need to introduce extra functionality that adds little to no benefit to the end user, I've seen multiple threads popup about this issue, so clearly it isn't as intuitive as they originally thought.

I'm not sure what points you are trying to argue in your response.

The change to the unlock procedure is for interacting with secure notifications. I cannot make it any simpler.
 

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I have only put iOS 10 on my iPad Air for now, but I also am not fond of losing the ability to just swipe to unlock. I don't like having to press the home button. I wish they would make it where we could choose which way we want to do it.
 
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