Press HOME to open - worst 'feature'?

[Chupa Chupa]

Seems many on Macrumors have trouble with the basics of the English language.

Yes, understandable when so many write so poorly . Honestly, no reason to get nasty there unless that is your M.O.

You quite clearly said the use of two buttons on Watch OS 1 and 2 is "overly complicated". In reality the second button, the one that called up the Friends interface was rarely used since few people wanted to talk to a watch and text input methods were severely limited. In practice (and a cursory glance at these forums and online reviews at launch, and since confirms this) that button was rarely used for anything other than Apple Pay.

Now, in watchOS 3, that button operates a piece of key functionality, the Dock, making the use of the second button more crucial than ever. Something I pretty clearly said here

Yes, that is exactly what I wrote. In reality there is a lot of support for the changes Apple made in Watch OS 3 among AW users, including professional reviewers who are calling it Apple's "do over," because OS Watch 1 and 2 were not clearly thought out in regards to human factors. You point out exactly why the button use is not intuitive and has to be learned behavior, i.e, not Apple-like design.
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Clicking the Home Button to go to the Home Screen doesn't get any more natural...that's how you do it everywhere else. In fact, that is the sole purpose of the button. It is good that going forward, this will be true 100% of the time, instead of 99%. It is also good that going forward, Raise to Wake will be the new norm, as again clicking the Home Button should have its 1 job, and not double as the primary means of waking the display (secondary means is fine.)

Well we have different experiences I guess. Doesn't seem I'm alone here because I didn't start this thread and there are similar comments by others elsewhere online.

Again, I'm talking about use on older devices, ones w/o Touch ID, w/o Raise to Wake capability.

 

[Feenician]

Yes, understandable when so many write so poorly . Honestly, no reason to get nasty there unless that is your M.O.



Yes, that is exactly what I wrote. In reality there is a lot of support for the changes Apple made in Watch OS 3 among AW users, including professional reviewers who are calling it Apple's "do over," because OS Watch 1 and 2 were not clearly thought out in regards to human factors. You point out exactly why the button use is not intuitive and has to be learned behavior, i.e, not Apple-like design.

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Well we have different experiences I guess. Doesn't seem I'm alone here because I didn't start this thread and there are similar comments by others elsewhere online.

Again, I'm talking about use on older devices, ones w/o Touch ID, w/o Raise to Wake capability.[/QUOTE]
I pointed out the opposite but it really doesn't matter at this point.

PS the only intuitive interface is the nipple and there's two those too. All others are learned.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

PS the only intuitive interface is the nipple and there's two those too. All others are learned.

Cute, but not true. People have figured out lots of products and inventions w/o manuals or other formal education. But even when something has to be learned, some ways (Macs original GUI) are magnitudes easier than others (DOS). Apple has traditionally had as its goal to be intuitive or as intuitive as possible. That is what made Apple, Apple.

 

[EJ8]

So those that don't use those screen widgets and just want the phone unlocked so they can use it straight away are now punished with an extra step?

There is no extra step. On iOS 9 you had to press the home button and hold your finger there to awaken, unlock, and move to the home screen. And it's the exact same way now. You perform the same press and hold of your finger. They are just doing different things. There is not an extra step. Unless your phone is effed up.

 

[Freida]

There is no extra step. On iOS 9 you had to press the home button and hold your finger there to awaken, unlock, and move to the home screen. And it's the exact same way now. You perform the same press and hold of your finger. They are just doing different things. There is not an extra step. Unless your phone is effed up.

Not true, when i get a message and the screen lits up in iOS 9 i can rest my finger and it will unlock without me pressing the home button. That no longer works in iOS 10. So yeah, there is an extra step

 

[Feenician]

Right in your original post you said

If I do unlock the phone but then I'm still on the 'lock' screen then what advantage do I really get? The reason I wanna unlock the phone is because i wanna use it and therefore I wanna go straight to my HOME.

Why is there the extra step of pressing it now? Anyone knows or thinks of anything please?

And now you know the answer to that question. What else needs to be said at this point?

 

[Freida]

The change to the unlock procedure is for interacting with secure notifications. I cannot make it any simpler.

Let me ask you this, why are you defending this "feature" so hard?

Also, why would you wanna be interacting with notifications when you could be using the phone and interact inside the phone? I'm on iPhone 6 so i don't have raise to wake feature. As soon as i get message or notification i rest my finger on the touchID to unlock it (in iOS 9) and then deal with the message or notification. If i wanted to go straight to that message or something then i would swipe right on the notification i wanna go directly to.

So why in your mind is easier to rest the finger to unlock, then play with widgets without going inside the phone?
Also, can you clarify what widgets etc you talk about or use because I have the standard facebook whatsapp, etc. stuff and I haven't found any widgets or things that would make my life easier with notifications so either I don't use enough apps ( i have 4 pages worht of apps) or I'm actually not using the phone fully.

But right now, extra press is silly in my eyes and it irritates me. I haven't discovered the notification awesomeness you are talking about so I don't see any reason to have that middle step there.
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Right in your original post you said



And now you know the answer to that question. What else needs to be said at this point?

I'm confused. What are you saying?
Because the extra step is still there because rest your finger to unlock no longer works.

 

[Feenician]

Let me ask you this, why are you defending this "feature" so hard?

Also, why would you wanna be interacting with notifications when you could be using the phone and interact inside the phone? I'm on iPhone 6 so i don't have raise to wake feature. As soon as i get message or notification i rest my finger on the touchID to unlock it (in iOS 9) and then deal with the message or notification. If i wanted to go straight to that message or something then i would swipe right on the notification i wanna go directly to.

So why in your mind is easier to rest the finger to unlock, then play with widgets without going inside the phone?
Also, can you clarify what widgets etc you talk about or use because I have the standard facebook whatsapp, etc. stuff and I haven't found any widgets or things that would make my life easier with notifications so either I don't use enough apps ( i have 4 pages worht of apps) or I'm actually not using the phone fully.

But right now, extra press is silly in my eyes and it irritates me. I haven't discovered the notification awesomeness you are talking about so I don't see any reason to have that middle step there.

I'm not defending anything. I'm telling you how it is. This is how it is.

Endless complaining does nothing. Have you reported it to Apple?
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I'm confused. What are you saying?
Because the extra step is still there because rest your finger to unlock no longer works.

It no longer works in the one circumstance you keep harping on about (phone wakes on receipt of a notification) because it does something else in that circumstance. 1mm of travel, 1 gram of force, 1 fraction of a second - get over it.

It is there to interact with secure notifications.
Es ist dort mit sicheren Meldungen zu interagieren.
Está ahí para interactuar con las notificaciones seguras.
Il est là pour interagir avec les notifications sécurisées.
E 'lì per interagire con le notifiche sicuri.
यह वहाँ है सुरक्षित सूचनाओं के साथ बातचीत करने के लिए

 

[Freida]

Endless complaining does nothing. Have you reported it to Apple?

Yes I have, I even posted it earlier!

It no longer works in the one circumstance you keep harping on about (phone wakes on receipt of a notification) because it does something else in that circumstance. 1mm of travel, 1 gram of force, 1 fraction of a second - get over it.

Don't be a jerk! The point of a beta is not only to report bugs but also provide feedback. So more people report this the more likely we will get something back (be it option, another idea, etc.)

 

[wankey]

The change to the unlock procedure is for interacting with secure notifications. I cannot make it any simpler.

My point is that it's a really stupid solution. It should ask for my touchID if I interact with secure notification (ie, press on a notification).

Otherwise it should behave as it has done for the last 3 years. I really don't like this smug tone of yours.

You don't foster discussion, you foster superiority complex with a side of condescension.

 

[Feenician]

My point is that it's a really stupid solution. It should ask for my touchID if I interact with secure notification (ie, press on a notification).

Otherwise it should behave as it has done for the last 3 years.

I agree with that. Wait until an actual secure action is initiated then prompt. It's just now how it is at the moment and I fear it's even less discoverable

 

[freeskier93]

Not true, when i get a message and the screen lits up in iOS 9 i can rest my finger and it will unlock without me pressing the home button. That no longer works in iOS 10. So yeah, there is an extra step

How the hell is this an extra step? If you already have to place your finger on the home button to unlock how is pressing the botton at the same time an extra step?

Also, one would assume you were unlocking your phone to respond/interact with the notification. If you get a text message notification you can now place your thumb on the home buttton to unlock then respond to the message at the lock screen, no need to go to the springboard.

 

[stevemiller]

Since you're seeing the behavior on a random basis I think it's safe to say it's a bug (or an issue with your fingerprint, or with your device etc.). What are the chances that Apple, or any other company, would include a random number generator as part of the unlocking process?

My question wasn't whether the randomness was intended (I get that it's a beta!), it was which of the random behaviours was intended. It's not an issue with the sensor or print quality since it is turning on and unlocking, its just unlocking TO the lock screen. Which is the behaviour I find troubling.

I feel like people around here intentionally interpret a legitimate question in the most ridiculous way just so they can act condescending towards anyone who dares question apple's functional decisions.

 

[Feenician]

My question wasn't whether the randomness was intended (I get that it's a beta!), it was which of the random behaviours was intended. It's not an issue with the sensor or print quality since it is turning on and unlocking, its just unlocking TO the lock screen. Which is the behaviour I find troubling.

I feel like people around here intentionally interpret a legitimate question in the most ridiculous way just so they can act condescending towards anyone who dares question apple's functional decisions.

I wasn't deliberately misinterpreting your post but I was perhaps unfairly voiewing it through the lens of some of the really stupid stuff that does get posted here. I apologise.

I believe you're supposed to be able to unlock instantly as you always could, with the other methods atop that.

 

[dotnet]

Since this is a beta, we should just sit down, drink teas, and patiently wait for future beta.

Actually we should give Apple feedback on this, via the feedback app. That's what I did anyway. From all the to'ing and fro'ing in this thread is seems that different devices behave differently, so there may well be bugs lurking here. My device is a 6S+, BTW and for the record.

 

[stevemiller]

I wasn't deliberately misinterpreting your post but I was perhaps unfairly voiewing it through the lens of some of the really stupid stuff that does get posted here. I apologise.

I believe you're supposed to be able to unlock instantly as you always could, with the other methods atop that.

fingers crossed. thanks

 

[tomi03]

Many users push the home button to wake up the phone to see if there are any notifications on the lock screen. TouchID is so fast on the iPhone 6S that by the time you push the home button it takes you straight to the home page and you don't even see the lock screen. This is why Apple added this feature.

Pressing the home button from an app that was launched from a folder will take you to the folder. It's always been like this.

iOS 10 features more advanced lock screen interactions. Go look it up on Apple.com

It was fast, now its slow, complicated, and tbh a bad feature, it doesn't matter how much some people want to deny it, the slide to unlock was better

 

[lagwagon]

It was fast, now its slow, complicated, and tbh a bad feature, it doesn't matter how much some people want to deny it, the slide to unlock was better

Slide to unlock/open was a relic from the pre Touch ID days. All things must end.

 

[tomi03]

Slide to unlock/open was a relic from the pre Touch ID days. All things must end.

Or improve

 

[Shirasaki]

Slide to unlock/open was a relic from the pre Touch ID days. All things must end.

I have spent a few ten minutes on a local Apple Store to try out current slide to unlock and press to unlock.
The feeling is: whether on iPad or on iPhone, slide to unlock is considerably worse than press to unlock, although we cannot deny users may eventually need to press the home button twice to enter home screen, which is a drawback. When holding iPhone 6s Plus at hand and try to unlock, I have to swipe twice or more in more than one occasion to unlock the device, while using home button, twice at most. This happens most on iPad Pro 12.9", which I often need to swipe more than 3 times to unlock if the distance to "swipe" is not long enough. Nowhere "swipe to unlock" is faster than using actual physical button, whether for Touch ID device or not. The best case is both methods can unlock devices equally fast. I don't even need to mention, if user press home button to wake up screen and "swipe to unlock" results additional finger travel, which is way more than just pressing home button twice. Things are getting even worse if user uses power button to wake up screen.
The only case "swipe to unlock" may be better is if screen is lit up when a notification comes in. In this case, "swipe to unlock" is potentially better than "press to unlock".

 

[dotnet]

I haven't used swipe to unlock ever since TouchID. I'm accustomed to single-press to unlock, which since the 10beta has turned into double-press to unlock.

 

[Armen]

It was fast, now its slow, complicated, and tbh a bad feature, it doesn't matter how much some people want to deny it, the slide to unlock was better

Let me be clear. There are 2 work flows in iOS 10 and not just 1.

workflow #1

- Press home button once, keep finger on home = unlocks the phone to home page

workflow #2

- Press home button once and quickly lift finger off home = wakes the phone to the lock screen and will only unlock it if you press home 1 more time.

workflow 2 was implemented for those users who actually wanted to just wake up their phone with the home button and go to the lock screen.

 

[tomi03]

Let me be clear. There are 2 work flows in iOS 10 and not just 1.

workflow #1

- Press home button once, keep finger on home = unlocks the phone to home page

workflow #2

- Press home button once and quickly lift finger off home = wakes the phone to the lock screen and will only unlock it if you press home 1 more time.

workflow 2 was implemented for those users who actually wanted to just wake up their phone with the home button and go to the lock screen.

I'm not one of these users, and there's any option to just "slide to unlock" in ios 10

 

[Smith288]

No, this is how is always should have been. The fact that you don't "get it" doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. This is a welcome improvement.
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Nope, it isn't, and quit honestly any opinion to this effect is really dumb.

I got a warning from mods for an opinion about something. I hope you did too.

 

[Feenician]

I'm not one of these users

So use workflow #1

there's any option to just "slide to unlock" in ios 10

There isn't now and, while I have no insider information, there is unlikely to be in the final release. You can file feedback expressing your disdain and see if it makes a difference but, otherwise, the time you're spending tapping complaining about it would be better spent pressing, getting used to it IMO as it's almost certainly here to stay