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Always wondered, how will you know that somebody is a new "purchaser" rather than an existing buyer (of version 4) re-downloading on a new device?

App Store receipt. Not the one you receive, but the one that's downloaded with the application. It has information in it that can be used to determine this type of thing :)
 
App Store receipt. Not the one you receive, but the one that's downloaded with the application. It has information in it that can be used to determine this type of thing :)

Ah nice. I've seen those before when looking at app files and trying to identify version when iTunes has been screwy.

Thanks for replying.
 
Ah nice. I've seen those before when looking at app files and trying to identify version when iTunes has been screwy.

Thanks for replying.

Anytime! Happy to answer any questions anyone might have, even if they're not really customer support related. I just enjoy talking about the application and related technologies. So, really love these types of questions :)
 
The new 1Password 5 update for iOS 8 rocks. :cool: It makes logging into sites with Safari so much easier now. No more opening up 1Password to cut and paste the site password back into Safari. I look forward to trying the other new features as well.

Those that haven't tried 1Password yet, need to. I don't think you will be disappointed.
 
Must say I'm really loving the integration with touch ID and the extension. That's making things so much faster for me on the phone.

Folks, this is a very good app. It's a must-have for me.
 
I've done that before in the past, one thing I couldn't figure out though:

If you password protect an excel file, is it AES encrypted?

If its not I'd rather use a trusted password manager.

My point is that my passwords are never stored anywhere that anyone can touch them. They are not on a remote server/cloud that is protected.
The type of encryption is not the point. The point being my password files are not available anyone but me.;)
 
My point is that my passwords are never stored anywhere that anyone can touch them. They are not on a remote server/cloud that is protected.
The type of encryption is not the point. The point being my password files are not available anyone but me.;)

minikeepass for iOS stores locally on your device. You can also use a keyfile plus password to unlock. thus needing both to unlock.
 
minikeepass for iOS stores locally on your device. You can also use a keyfile plus password to unlock. thus needing both to unlock.

I use the 'docs to go' app in conjunction with its parent program for desktop. I keep one password file that I make changes to on my desktop, then sync with all of my devices. I don't have the upgraded version of that app, as it incorporates use of their servers to sync stuff. I've had that same word document going since office 97 was introduced.
The docs to go app has always been like having MS Office on my iOS devices.
It works for me !
 
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feemium for new users? how do they define a new user? someone who buys today or someone who bought a while ago but signs up tomorrow?

not very clear but I guess it explains it was never free even for those who got it legit yesterday? (by legit I mean they honestly downloaded it via an advert somewhere proclaiming it to be free and someone who got it a week ago but doesn't sign up till next month. hmm too much what ifs and buts

It seems that the good news for iOS users just never stops, at least for today. With 1Password 5, Agile Bits is moving to a freemium business model. This means that core features, which might be all that you will ever need, are offered for free, with more features hiding behind a paid subscription. Even better for existing 1Password 4 users, they will automatically be upgraded to a 1Password 5 PRO account for free. New users won't get that much freebies, but at least they will have the basics for free. One caveat though, considering 1Password 5 uses the newly-opened Touch ID, it isn't surprising that this latest version requires iOS 8, which shouldn't be a problem for recent devices as the updated has started rolling out already.


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I use the 'docs to go' app in conjunction with its parent program for desktop. I keep one password file that I make changes to on my desktop, then sync with all of my devices. I don't have the upgraded version of that app, as it incorporates use of their servers to sync stuff. I've had that same word document going since office 97 was introduced.
The docs to go app has always been like having MS Office on my iOS devices.
It works for me !

you can use drop box to sync your data base but it doesn't auto sync nor auto save. So if you edited on iPhone you'd have to say save to dropbox, which comes up as open in I think. Then need to open it on iPad from dropbox. But once its opened it can be opened from the app. The bonus of minikeepass is the key file onto of encryption.

*the same goes for opening in keepass x on mac or keepass on windows, you'd need to open the edited file from dropbox unless its doing that automatically.
 

Thanks, I updated the original post to let users know the update so they wouldn't get confused.

feemium for new users? how do they define a new user? someone who buys today or someone who bought a while ago but signs up tomorrow?

not very clear but I guess it explains it was never free even for those who got it legit yesterday? (by legit I mean they honestly downloaded it via an advert somewhere proclaiming it to be free and someone who got it a week ago but doesn't sign up till next month. hmm too much what ifs and buts

From what I understand if you keep 1Password on the iOS 7 version (and stick with iOS 7 like I will) then you get all the premium features on the iOS 7 version for free. Those who are on iOS 8 or want the features of the iOS 8 1Password version need to pay.
 
Thanks, I updated the original post to let users know the update so they wouldn't get confused.



From what I understand if you keep 1Password on the iOS 7 version (and stick with iOS 7 like I will) then you get all the premium features on the iOS 7 version for free. Those who are on iOS 8 or want the features of the iOS 8 1Password version need to pay.

ouch. give with one hand take away with the other
 
feemium for new users? how do they define a new user? someone who buys today or someone who bought a while ago but signs up tomorrow?

not very clear but I guess it explains it was never free even for those who got it legit yesterday? (by legit I mean they honestly downloaded it via an advert somewhere proclaiming it to be free and someone who got it a week ago but doesn't sign up till next month. hmm too much what ifs and buts



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you can use drop box to sync your data base but it doesn't auto sync nor auto save. So if you edited on iPhone you'd have to say save to dropbox, which comes up as open in I think. Then need to open it on iPad from dropbox. But once its opened it can be opened from the app. The bonus of minikeepass is the key file onto of encryption.

*the same goes for opening in keepass x on mac or keepass on windows, you'd need to open the edited file from dropbox unless its doing that automatically.

Do you feel they were dishonest?
 
Do you feel they were dishonest?

I haven't given it much thought. On the surface it appears like many app developers do. i.e. They use the new iOS upgrade as an excuse to charge again, and with apple rolling out a yearly upgrade its a consumers nightmare.
 
Thanks, I updated the original post to let users know the update so they wouldn't get confused.



From what I understand if you keep 1Password on the iOS 7 version (and stick with iOS 7 like I will) then you get all the premium features on the iOS 7 version for free. Those who are on iOS 8 or want the features of the iOS 8 1Password version need to pay.

All previous users of 1Password 4 (those who purchased the program before iOS 8 release) get a free program upgrade to iOS 8 that also includes the extras that would normally be an in app purchase. Anyone who purchases the program after the release of IOS 8 does not get the free in app extras.

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I haven't given it much thought. On the surface it appears like many app developers do. i.e. They use the new iOS upgrade as an excuse to charge again, and with apple rolling out a yearly upgrade its a consumers nightmare.

I see nothing dishonest about Agile Bits. They are and have been very upfront with their customers in regards to updates and prices. They haven't charged for every IOS program upgrade. And even if they did, a person doesn't necessarily have to upgrade every time.

The company has a good presence on this forum, as well as on the internet itself.

If you aren't a current user of the program, give their 30 day trial a shot.
 
All previous users of 1Password 4 (those who purchased the program before iOS 8 release) get a free program upgrade to iOS 8 that also includes the extras that would normally be an in app purchase. Anyone who purchases the program after the release of IOS 8 does not get the free in app extras.

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I see nothing dishonest about Agile Bits. They are and have been very upfront with their customers in regards to updates and prices. They haven't charged for every IOS program upgrade. And even if they did, a person doesn't necessarily have to upgrade every time.

The company has a good presence on this forum, as well as on the internet itself.

If you aren't a current user of the program, give their 30 day trial a shot.

Why are you quoting me as if I wrote they are dishonest? I didn't. I haven't given it much thought.
 
The new 1Password 5 update for iOS 8 rocks. :cool: It makes logging into sites with Safari so much easier now. No more opening up 1Password to cut and paste the site password back into Safari. I look forward to trying the other new features as well.

Those that haven't tried 1Password yet, need to. I don't think you will be disappointed.

Awesome that you're enjoying the application! Thanks for the compliments and all, it's great to read these types of posts :)

Must say I'm really loving the integration with touch ID and the extension. That's making things so much faster for me on the phone.

Folks, this is a very good app. It's a must-have for me.

Same for you man, love reading comments from happy users!

My point is that my passwords are never stored anywhere that anyone can touch them. They are not on a remote server/cloud that is protected.
The type of encryption is not the point. The point being my password files are not available anyone but me.;)

1Password never stores your data in the cloud either, unless you ask it to. In your case, the Excel file is not very well protected. Lets assume for a second that somehow you get a trojan installed on your computer from downloading something and running it. It's possible they could snag your file and begin running a password cracker on it. It wouldn't take long for them to crack an Excel file with a weak password. More complex passwords might take a bit longer but not much longer.

With 1Password we use a whole host of technologies to slow the password cracking system down. PBKDF2 is one such technology. It's designed to slow the process of checking a password down. It's not perceptible to a user in most cases but when you're running millions or billions of checks it adds up to a lot more time.

Plus, we can fill that data into webpages for you. If you want to sync to a Mac you can use Wifi sync so it never touches a cloud service.

The app is free, so, give it a shot and if you have questions let me know :) No harm in trying it and no harm in not trying it either. But the option is there for you if you wish.

feemium for new users? how do they define a new user? someone who buys today or someone who bought a while ago but signs up tomorrow?

not very clear but I guess it explains it was never free even for those who got it legit yesterday? (by legit I mean they honestly downloaded it via an advert somewhere proclaiming it to be free and someone who got it a week ago but doesn't sign up till next month. hmm too much what ifs and buts

We use the app store receipt (the one stored downloaded with the app) to determine when it was purchased and unlock the Pro features. So:

1) If you downloaded yesterday pre-version 5 release, your app store receipt says you had version 4. Install version 5, unlocked Pro features
2) If you bought yesterday pre-version 5 release, but didn't install, your app store receipt says you had version 4. Install version 5, unlocked Pro features
3) If you bought in December 2012 when we released version 4. Install version 5, your app store receipt says you had version 4. Install version 5, unlocked Pro features.
4) Buy a new phone this week? Install version 5, your app store receipt says you had version 4. Unlocked Pro features for you.

At this point if you had version 4, you get the Pro features unlocked. It follows you so long as you use the same AppleID. Now, this isn't to say that there might not be other in-app purchases down the road (there are none planned at the moment) and I'm simply covering a hypothetical, but it's possible everyone may have to pay for that if they want it.

I have no idea if we'll ever do that, but what we tried to do with version 5 was give everyone who purchased version 4 the same features they had in version 4 in version 5 without any upgrade cost.

Hope that makes sense but I'm happy to clarify.

Thanks, I updated the original post to let users know the update so they wouldn't get confused.



From what I understand if you keep 1Password on the iOS 7 version (and stick with iOS 7 like I will) then you get all the premium features on the iOS 7 version for free. Those who are on iOS 8 or want the features of the iOS 8 1Password version need to pay.

Version 4 doesn't have pro features, it was a paid application that some people got for free due to a pricing issue. This version has all the same features of version 5 (with some changes, like CloudKit being used in version 5, but Document syncing in version 4) and of course no TouchID, Safari Extension, App Extensions, etc.

If you upgrade your device to version 5 (and iOS 8) then Pro features unlock because you had version 4. No need to pay again (or pay at all if you got it during the price issue)

ouch. give with one hand take away with the other

See above, give with both hands, take nothing away.

All previous users of 1Password 4 (those who purchased the program before iOS 8 release) get a free program upgrade to iOS 8 that also includes the extras that would normally be an in app purchase. Anyone who purchases the program after the release of IOS 8 does not get the free in app extras.

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I see nothing dishonest about Agile Bits. They are and have been very upfront with their customers in regards to updates and prices. They haven't charged for every IOS program upgrade. And even if they did, a person doesn't necessarily have to upgrade every time.

The company has a good presence on this forum, as well as on the internet itself.

If you aren't a current user of the program, give their 30 day trial a shot.

Thanks for the comment. This comment is correct though the second half is opinion and I may be biased :) But the first paragraph is 100% accurate and backed up by my comments above this one.
 
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We use the app store receipt (the one stored downloaded with the app) to determine when it was purchased and unlock the Pro features. So:

1) If you downloaded yesterday pre-version 5 release, your app store receipt says you had version 4. Install version 5, unlocked Pro features
2) If you bought yesterday pre-version 5 release, but didn't install, your app store receipt says you had version 4. Install version 5, unlocked Pro features
3) If you bought in December 2012 when we released version 4. Install version 5, your app store receipt says you had version 4. Install version 5, unlocked Pro features.
4) Buy a new phone this week? Install version 5, your app store receipt says you had version 4. Unlocked Pro features for you.

At this point if you had version 4, you get the Pro features unlocked. It follows you so long as you use the same AppleID. Now, this isn't to say that there might not be other in-app purchases down the road (there are none planned at the moment) and I'm simply covering a hypothetical, but it's possible everyone may have to pay for that if they want it.

I have no idea if we'll ever do that, but what we tried to do with version 5 was give everyone who purchased version 4 the same features they had in version 4 in version 5 without any upgrade cost.

Hope that makes sense but I'm happy to clarify.


Thats great. Everyone can see how clear it is :) You do your company proud. I hope they pay well. If not I can see you being lured away.
 
Thats great. Everyone can see how clear it is :) You do your company proud. I hope they pay well. If not I can see you being lured away.

Thanks! I do my best :) This is a really great company to work for, it's really more like a very large (and growing) family. Not many companies would let you work from the comfort of your own home while browsing and chatting about stuff on MacRumors and Reddit on a major software release day!

Happy to help though, if anyone has questions, anyone is welcome to Private Message me or post in one of the threads. If I don't respond it may be that I simply haven't seen the post so point it my way and I'll get you all cleared up.
 
This is a good freemium model!

I like. Good demo with bonus features dangled out in front.
Easier for me to get family members introduced to better password storage, get their feet wet without saying just truet me its worth it! And they can upgrade when ready to expand.
 
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