MP 7,1 Pro Display XDR dirty screen effect

[gtg465x]

I'm pretty surprised that a FALD display is even capable of that level of inconsistency. Unless Apple aren't doing individual zone tuning with the FALD array.

Are you kidding? FALD generally leads to worse uniformity because it's very hard to perfectly match all of the local backlight zones. Displays without FALD only have a couple backlights, so it's much easier to match them up. Just look at the Samsung Q90R and Sony Z9F reviews on Rtings if you want to feel better about your Pro Display XDR. These are two of the top FALD TVs available, both costing $5,000 for the 75" variant, and they still have uniformity issues. Then check out the uniformity of the budget, bottom of the line Samsung NU6900... it beats their top of the line Q90R because it doesn't have FALD.

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The Samsung Q90R is an excellent 4k TV with impressive picture quality. It has a high native contrast ratio, great local dimming support, and excellent black uni...

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Sony Z9F Review (XBR65Z9F, XBR75Z9F)

The Sony Z9F is a great TV for almost any type of use. It can get extremely bright and it handles reflections very well, so it can be placed in almost any bright...

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Samsung NU6900 Review (UN43NU6900, UN50NU6900, UN55NU6900, UN65NU6900, UN75NU6900)

The Samsung NU6900 is an alright entry-level 4k TV. It's available in a wide range of sizes with budget-friendly prices, and it provides okay overall performance...

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[mattspace]

Are you kidding? FALD generally leads to worse uniformity because it's very hard to perfectly match all of the local backlight zones.

Hence why I was surprised - lots of individually tunable backlights *should* result in consistent light - uniformity measuring and correction is supposed to be a standard feature of a good display.

 

[jdoyle]

Id be getting it replaced. It look easy to demo to a support person. These should be top end displays for people like designers. There should be no compromise. I had a similar "Curtain" effect on my 65inch LCD TV on white areas which just distracted the hell out of me. Took it back. After some convincing I got a total replacement. And that was a cheap TV. This is an expensive display you sit very close to all day.

 

[eflx]

Anyone been able to download the latest display firmware? Still haven't seen the update pop up on my system

 

[paulchiu]

Anyone been able to download the latest display firmware? Still haven't seen the update pop up on my system

Just updated to 4.2.37

Also, has any of you experience seeing faint horizontal bands across the Pro Display XDR when first playing movies using VLC or Elmedia Player.

These would eventually go away after 5 - 10 seconds, but they appear nearly every time when starting these players.
Not the case when playing 4K movies using Netflix under Safari.

Is my Pro Display XDR the problem, the software player or the video card?

Thanks for any input here.

 

[emraha06]

Seeing these types of things pop up on the Nano version of the XDR makes me happy to have gotten standard glass. I find zero problems with my monitors and the reflectivity is null at its' worst.

your display has terrible text smearing during scroll

 

[IA64]

Are you kidding? FALD generally leads to worse uniformity because it's very hard to perfectly match all of the local backlight zones. Displays without FALD only have a couple backlights, so it's much easier to match them up. Just look at the Samsung Q90R and Sony Z9F reviews on Rtings if you want to feel better about your Pro Display XDR. These are two of the top FALD TVs available, both costing $5,000 for the 75" variant, and they still have uniformity issues. Then check out the uniformity of the budget, bottom of the line Samsung NU6900... it beats their top of the line Q90R because it doesn't have FALD.

Samsung Q90/Q90R QLED Review (QN65Q90RAFXZA, QN75Q90RAFXZA, QN82Q90RAFXZA)

The Samsung Q90R is an excellent 4k TV with impressive picture quality. It has a high native contrast ratio, great local dimming support, and excellent black uni...

www.rtings.com

Sony Z9F Review (XBR65Z9F, XBR75Z9F)

The Sony Z9F is a great TV for almost any type of use. It can get extremely bright and it handles reflections very well, so it can be placed in almost any bright...

www.rtings.com

Samsung NU6900 Review (UN43NU6900, UN50NU6900, UN55NU6900, UN65NU6900, UN75NU6900)

The Samsung NU6900 is an alright entry-level 4k TV. It's available in a wide range of sizes with budget-friendly prices, and it provides okay overall performance...

www.rtings.com

Hmm my 75" X940E wipes the floor with the NU6900 and it's FALD....

 

[gtg465x]

Hmm my 75" X940E wipes the floor with the NU6900 and it's FALD....

Rtings gave the X940E a 7.1 for uniformity and the NU6900 a 7.4....

 

[IA64]

Rtings gave the X940E a 7.1 for uniformity and the NU6900 a 7.4....

Yes exactly very comparable for a gray uniformity but when it comes to BLACK uniformity it's a totally different story. Not only that but also other parameters hence my statement.

 

[gtg465x]

Yes exactly very comparable for a gray uniformity but when it comes to BLACK uniformity it's a totally different story. Not only that but also other parameters hence my statement.

The X940E is like 5 times the price of the NU6900, which proves my point that it’s much harder to achieve good uniformity on FALD displays. $5000 FALD TVs can barely match the uniformity of $500 non-FALD TVs. And uniformity of cheap FALD TVs is just awful.

 

[IA64]

The X940E is like 5 times the price of the NU6900, which proves my point that it’s much harder to achieve good uniformity on FALD displays. $5000 FALD TVs can barely match the uniformity of $500 non-FALD TVs. And uniformity of cheap FALD TVs is just awful.

. The X940E is 5 times more expensive because it achieves OLED-Like black levels. That's the point of FALD afterall....And when it comes to gray, it's good. Actually very good in my case, definitely never noticed any issue on medium brightness whatsoever and definitely nowhere near the XDR display.

Long story short, FALD is not an excuse for this behavior on Apple monitors.

 

[gtg465x]

. The X940E is 5 times more expensive because it archives OLED-Like black levels. That's the point of FALD afterall....And when it comes to gray, it's good. Actually very good in my case, definitely never noticed any issue on medium brightness whatsoever and definitely nowhere near the XDR display.

Long story short, FALD is not an excuse for this behavior on Apple monitors.

Never said it was an excuse. I wouldn’t be happy with a $5000 display with poor uniformity either. I was just refuting what another person said about FALD displays being better for uniformity.

 

[Zorast]

Hi there!

Same on my XDR with clear Panel!
5600€ for Dirty Screen, thanks!

Some of you getting replace Screen? Is it now clear?

Iam a Web-Designer working with a lot of White background. See this dirty Screen all Day long x(
It is a nice Screen really Love that one but a dirty Screen? Never seen this before on a Dell!

 

[Macdude2010]

does anyone else have this weird dim spot at the bottom near the center? I know DSE is normal in IPS LCD's, but im not sure what this is.

 

[Zorast]

I do not have that dim spot there !

 

[sound4label]

Same issue here with my glossy XDR, how do you save grey background test using the Eizo link on page 1 please ?

 

[sound4label]

Here my screen using Eizo utility "grey uniformity" at 50% (with full then half brightness setting on XDR).
Let me know if you see these horizontal bars and the vertical one on the center. I can see them on white background when scrolling test which is really annoying.
Last picture is one the pict with contrast pushed.
Picts taken with an old Iphone6.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, do I need a replacement ?

 

[Royksöpp]

Here my screen using Eizo utility "grey uniformity" at 50% (with full then half brightness setting on XDR).
Let me know if you see these horizontal bars and the vertical one on the center. I can see them on white background when scrolling test which is really annoying.
Last picture is one the pict with contrast pushed.
Picts taken with an old Iphone6.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, do I need a replacement ?

That's pretty normal for a mini led TV, I mean XDR Display. 😂 All jokes aside, it's almost impossible to find a near perfect screen that uses local dimming. I don't know how much better you will do with a new display. The next one could be better or it could be worse. Do you really want to play the screen lottery?

 

[sound4label]

Hello @Royksöpp thanks for your message,
So pity for these amount of money. Seems like an other user here posted some more better results after replacement. Having non uniformity on extreme angle of the screens is ok but at the center of the screens, are they kidding ? At this price tag, Apple should refuse all theses bad screen from LG or other suppliers. On Mini Led TV it's ok as you're not scrolling text but on a computer screen, no. I hope Apple will send me a better display, I will keep you inform, awaiting Apple decision.

 

[Royksöpp]

Hello @Royksöpp thanks for your message,
So pity for these amount of money. Seems like an other user here posted some more better results after replacement. Having non uniformity on extreme angle of the screens is ok but at the center of the screens, are they kidding ? At this price tag, Apple should refuse all theses bad screen from LG or other suppliers. On Mini Led TV it's ok as you're not scrolling text but on a computer screen, no. I hope Apple will send me a better display, I will keep you inform, awaiting Apple decision.

I wish Apple wouldn’t have used this technology for their flagship display. It’s exactly the same as a TV. They did the same thing with the iPad and the reaction has been mixed to say the least. Hopefully you will end up finding one that is acceptable.

 

[sound4label]

I wish Apple wouldn’t have used this technology for their flagship display. It’s exactly the same as a TV. They did the same thing with the iPad and the reaction has been mixed to say the least. Hopefully you will end up finding one that is acceptable.

I agree with you, I'm also still waiting for the new LG QNED (Mini Led) 4K to replace my old 12 yo sony TV, hope the Midi Led tech will be more accurate, maybe it's an issue with the number of Mini led zones, I'm not an expert at all
Let's hope Apple will propose me an exchange for a better one, finger crossed!

 

[fritzzzzzz]

I also got the same case here. I have been using Pro Display XDR for 3 days now and I have scheduled a Call with Apple. indeed, my eyes cannot determine how serious it is , as it seems that the effect is different from time to time. Can help me to see whether It is very obvious (true tune is on), comparing with other images. for my eye, I definitely can see. btw, Apple engineering team will get my monitor data and setting and examine.

 

[sound4label]

It seems LG is proving awful screens, look at this review of the new upcoming QNED TV, same dirty screens! The YouTuber has sent it back saying he can't review the TV ans he is waiting for a replacement :

Check the video at 7'02 if not starting automatically at the right moment

What's happening with LG Panels ? Are they unable to provide Quality panels ?

 

[Zorast]

I think that can not be fixed, its the state of tech first generation with this panels from LG.
But i will also contact Apple for this problem, but I now that can not do anything.
Probably when enough people do request this bug, apple will engineering a new mod replacement

 

[Zorast]

It seems LG is proving awful screens, look at this review of the new upcoming QNED TV, same dirty screens! The YouTuber has sent it back saying he can't review the TV ans he is waiting for a replacement :

Check the video at 7'02 if not starting automatically at the right moment

What's happening with LG Panels ? Are they unable to provide Quality panels ?

Look here: He done a full review with an replacement?? Unbelievable, he do not make the same tests like with white screen. I think LG does pay enough to him so he does not blame LG for this miniLED generation Panels...

If this is right, we all have to get an new replacement from Apple! I will contact Apple and send them these to YouTube videos as a reference that there is a huge issue in production on Apple side..