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Zdigital2015

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The whole thread is just stupid. The OP is just dumb, but here we are, answering and losing our time… me included! XD
The issue for me is that the contingent of people who are simply chasing specs and what’s next are trying to talk from some place of authority about Apple’s CPU business and simply trying to talk down a product that literally is not even shipping. I assume they do it for attention or to simply stir the pot as it were. Or perhaps they’re jealous that they can’t afford one or are STILL bitter that Apple kicked Intel to the curb and didn’t choose AMD.

A lot of people simply cannot accept that Apple could catch and surpass Intel and AMD and be a legitimate threat to the x86 hegemony that we have all been held hostage by for years and with which a sick sort of Stockholm Syndrome has developed. I grew up with and used professionally 6502, 68K, PowerPC, Intel, DEC Alpha, Sun SPARC and SGI MIPS. Intel was just one of many. It seems a sizable chunk of people here have had zero experience outside of Intel.

My beef with the poster is that 5nm is the current state of the art and until 3nm is shipping in volume, it doesn’t matter how old the SoC is that Apple is using. The process size has very little bearing on the underlying goodness or badness of the Max or Ultra. The process size doesn’t matter if it does the job. We do not worship at the altar of process size or ports or form factor. The Studio is simply a tool and those who know how to best use this tool are going to create some outstanding stuff.

Too many here are chasing technology for technology’s sake. Are they building anything worthwhile or are they just chasing their tails? Pretty sure I already know the answer.
 

darkpaw

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Sep 13, 2007
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Exactly. There are people here getting excited to spend $8000 for a computer with a 2 year old processor. All they did was cram several of them together and design it to run together. The 40% die shrink from 5nm to 3nm will result in significant boosts and Moore's law will slow down after that.
Which processor is 2 years old?

The M1 Max came out in late-2021 in the MacBook Pro 14" and 16". The M1 Ultra was released about a week ago.
 

southerndoc

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May 15, 2006
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As always, if you need it now, you need it now. If you can wait, wait. Newer/better tech is always around the corner. You can wait forever if you're always waiting for better tech.
 
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macguy360

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Feb 23, 2011
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The issue for me is that the contingent of people who are simply chasing specs and what’s next are trying to talk from some place of authority about Apple’s CPU business and simply trying to talk down a product that literally is not even shipping. I assume they do it for attention or to simply stir the pot as it were. Or perhaps they’re jealous that they can’t afford one or are STILL bitter that Apple kicked Intel to the curb and didn’t choose AMD.

A lot of people simply cannot accept that Apple could catch and surpass Intel and AMD and be a legitimate threat to the x86 hegemony that we have all been held hostage by for years and with which a sick sort of Stockholm Syndrome has developed. I grew up with and used professionally 6502, 68K, PowerPC, Intel, DEC Alpha, Sun SPARC and SGI MIPS. Intel was just one of many. It seems a sizable chunk of people here have had zero experience outside of Intel.

My beef with the poster is that 5nm is the current state of the art and until 3nm is shipping in volume, it doesn’t matter how old the SoC is that Apple is using. The process size has very little bearing on the underlying goodness or badness of the Max or Ultra. The process size doesn’t matter if it does the job. We do not worship at the altar of process size or ports or form factor. The Studio is simply a tool and those who know how to best use this tool are going to create some outstanding stuff.

Too many here are chasing technology for technology’s sake. Are they building anything worthwhile or are they just chasing their tails? Pretty sure I already know the answer.
I think it is funny how people on here get so defensive of Apple. This website literally has a buyers guide which provides recommendations to buy/not buy based on when a product is launched. You want to buy a device that is built on dated outgoing 5nm process, then good for you. Your money will support further research.

I for one have enjoyed my m1 MacBook Air and m1 iPad Pro since they first launched and will be enjoying the 3nm product launches that are coming very soon.
 

TracerAnalog

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The 5nm tech in the M1, M1 Max and M1 Ultra is now old tech. We are on the cusp of 3nm M2's. That is a 40% decrease in size and significant boost to performance and energy savings. The last change was 7nm to 5nm which was less than 30% decrease in fabrication. The iPhone 12 has a 5nm chip and that is almost 2 years old now.

Paying $4000 or $8000 for a 5nm chip computer right now is probably a bad idea. When the 3nm rollout comes later this year, the longevity of those chips will be significantly better. Also, we are running into constraints with Moore's law and will probably not see 1nm chips for several years.
To paraphrase myself: ‘in a shocking reveal, Apple announced that next year’s releases might actually be faster than this year’s!’

Seriously: you should buy new equipment when you need to. Otherwise wait for newer releases or price drops for older equipment.
 
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Zdigital2015

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I think it is funny how people on here get so defensive of Apple. This website literally has a buyers guide which provides recommendations to buy/not buy based on when a product is launched. You want to buy a device that is built on dated outgoing 5nm process, then good for you. Your money will support further research.

I for one have enjoyed my m1 MacBook Air and m1 iPad Pro since they first launched and will be enjoying the 3nm product launches that are coming very soon.
Soon is Q1 2023 at the earliest, so if you’re good with waiting that long, good for you. I have a 2020 M1 MBP. I’m perfectly fine with buying a Studio if my workflow demands one. Right now it doesn’t. If it does, I don’t give two sh*ts if it’s on an “old” process. Good luck with your First World problems.
 

hagjohn

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Aug 27, 2006
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I think it is funny how people on here get so defensive of Apple. This website literally has a buyers guide which provides recommendations to buy/not buy based on when a product is launched. You want to buy a device that is built on dated outgoing 5nm process, then good for you. Your money will support further research.

I for one have enjoyed my m1 MacBook Air and m1 iPad Pro since they first launched and will be enjoying the 3nm product launches that are coming very soon.
It is not about being defensive of Apple. It is having about having the knowledge that what you are saying is total crap.
 

Apple_Robert

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Sep 21, 2012
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It's not a bad idea to get an M1. It is a bad idea to posit the idea found in the OP. Our devices are already faster than we mortals really need them to be. People obsessed with chasing tech for the sake of tech status are the kind of people who think like the OP. The OP's mindset is an endless process that is rather illogical and futile.
 

-narcan-

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Sep 29, 2011
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Who cares what’s coming next.

If somehow something appears to suit my work better at some point in the future, then just sell the Studio and swap over.

It’s exactly what I’m doing now. I bought an M1 Mac Mini when first released, now moving on to the Studio.

I sold the Mac mini for 85% of what I purchased it for, so seems a reasonable amount for how much I’ve used it in that time.

If there’s one thing the pandemic has revealled, you’re much better off with something today than trying to predict the future. Endless delays and constant price increases aren’t out of the question.
 
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boss.king

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The 5nm tech in the M1, M1 Max and M1 Ultra is now old tech. We are on the cusp of 3nm M2's. That is a 40% decrease in size and significant boost to performance and energy savings. The last change was 7nm to 5nm which was less than 30% decrease in fabrication. The iPhone 12 has a 5nm chip and that is almost 2 years old now.

Paying $4000 or $8000 for a 5nm chip computer right now is probably a bad idea. When the 3nm rollout comes later this year, the longevity of those chips will be significantly better. Also, we are running into constraints with Moore's law and will probably not see 1nm chips for several years.
Just buy a computer when you need a computer. Regardless of what nm we’re on, the M1 Macs are a significant step up over their Intel counterparts. Do you have a good enough computer now? Then wait to upgrade for M2 or M3 or M17 or whatever you need. If you need one now then waiting for an M2 (or more likely M3) Ultra is a stupid move. Because they’re literal years away from release.
 
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dieselm

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Jun 9, 2009
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Just buy a computer when you need a computer. Regardless of what nm we’re on, the M1 Macs are a significant step up over their Intel counterparts. Do you have a good enough computer now? Then wait to upgrade for M2 or M3 or M17 or whatever you need. If you need one now then waiting for an M2 (or more likely M3) Ultra is a stupid move. Because they’re literal years away from release.
Apple's always been great at delivering two seemingly incompatible marketing messages every year, especially with the iPhone.

1. Our latest release is an incredible leap forward. Buy the best we've ever made.
2. Keep feeling great about your purchase last year. This isn't *that* different. Besides, what you bought is still on sale, at only $100 less.

The customer can decide which they want to hear.
 

MGrayson3

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Jul 30, 2013
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Do you have any idea how small 5 nm is? It's less than 50 atoms across. A COVID 19 virus is TWENTY times as large. This technology is completely insane.
 

Queen6

macrumors G4
Yet I have a 2017 MBP, and it's non functional. The batteries failed spectacularly -- it happens. But overall, yes, a Mac could still be working after 8 years. (so could a Windows PC)
In my experience it's luck of the draw.
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This one remains 100% stock, not even clean installed. These days more an exercise in curiosity as to when it quits. Other Apple notebooks have fallen by the wayside for various reasons. An OS update, new battery & SSD it would still make a fairly decent computer for many...

Q-6
 

leslieg

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Jun 22, 2020
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How does one not purchase “old tech” if the tech you’re referring to is the newest available ?
 
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