"Psystar slaps Apple around, releases Mac clones with Blu-ray / GeForce 9800GT"

[IlluminatedSage]

Sorry guys,

I believe apple ought to:
1- Offer Blu-Ray integration into its products, both MBP and Mac Pro, iMac.
2- offer a Mid Range Tower (with power, great graphics chip and expandability, but less than Mac Pro)
3- use HDCP compliant video cards, to allow for full Blu-Ray use, as well as VOD on macs
4- offer a range of new Monitors, all of which have speakers built in, have video camera, and.... accept both HDMI and displayport, the new standard.

For starters, apple should use Blu-Ray reading drives, which burn as superdrive, ie DVD & CD, with option for a Blu-Ray Burning superdrive.

I know you all are happy to receive whatever products Apple deems good for you. but honestly, thats ridiculous because Apple is holding back on technology. They ought to take the optical drives now to the next level.

I predict that Apple will finally do it at Macworld. ie bring Blu-Ray, and do it with the new version of OS X.

It would be nice to have apple finally realize iTunes HD content and Blu-Ray can peacefully co-exist. many people just want to rent and the immediately watchable Movies on iTunes is great, but... some films you really want the picture quality or to watch again and again... so you get blu-ray.

Anyway, Apple ought to let the market advance and offer up the option for consumers to decide. either way they will make money and do well.

 

[ros.rulz]

Buy Out Psystar With That Extra Cash Apple!

Apple is a debt free company, and has billions in the bank.

Here's the best way for them to stop Psystar altogether. BUY THEM OUT!

 

[editguy]

Apple is a debt free company, and has billions in the bank.

Here's the best way for them to stop Psystar altogether. BUY THEM OUT!

I can't see them doing that. There'd be a whole lot more Psystars startup overnight just for the opportunity to be bought out.

 

[MattInOz]

Apple is a debt free company, and has billions in the bank.

Here's the best way for them to stop Psystar altogether. BUY THEM OUT!

If you buy one you have to buy them all.
More are bound to crop up the second free cash for no work is on offer.

 

[gibbz]

Here's an example. I'm own an event video production company. I don't do weddings (I can't stand dealing with the witches, err, I mean brides), but I have a number of friends in the business that do. More and more couples are wanting their videos on HD bluray disks. They want something they can pop into a DVD player. To do that as a video production company you have to have the means to burn it to disk. That's one of the reasons that there are very few video production companies that are strictly Mac anymore. We've been forced to go outside Apple to get the tools we need. And, at the end of the day, for a business a computer is a tool.

This makes sense. I hadn't thought about industry. Thanks or the reply.

 

[thomahawk]

well this dumb..
i like the fact that macs are unique because they run through 1 company.
unlike windows cuz theres so many companys and manufactureers
then again both ahave they pros and cons but i want macs to stay in one place then to have some dumb as prick company try to ruin their reputation

 

[curmi]

Sorry guys,

I believe apple ought to:
1- Offer Blu-Ray integration into its products, both MBP and Mac Pro, iMac.
2- offer a Mid Range Tower (with power, great graphics chip and expandability, but less than Mac Pro)
3- use HDCP compliant video cards, to allow for full Blu-Ray use, as well as VOD on macs
4- offer a range of new Monitors, all of which have speakers built in, have video camera, and.... accept both HDMI and displayport, the new standard.

For starters, apple should use Blu-Ray reading drives, which burn as superdrive, ie DVD & CD, with option for a Blu-Ray Burning superdrive.

I know you all are happy to receive whatever products Apple deems good for you. but honestly, thats ridiculous because Apple is holding back on technology. They ought to take the optical drives now to the next level.

I predict that Apple will finally do it at Macworld. ie bring Blu-Ray, and do it with the new version of OS X.

It would be nice to have apple finally realize iTunes HD content and Blu-Ray can peacefully co-exist. many people just want to rent and the immediately watchable Movies on iTunes is great, but... some films you really want the picture quality or to watch again and again... so you get blu-ray.

Anyway, Apple ought to let the market advance and offer up the option for consumers to decide. either way they will make money and do well.

Agree totally. If Apple wants to control everything, they need to be on the cutting edge. Not offering Blu-ray as an option is a disservice to their loyal fans. Companies like Psystar may at least shake Apple up in to offering the latest technology, not only bits and pieces when they feel like it.

 

[dejo]

More and more couples are wanting their videos on HD bluray disks. They want something they can pop into a DVD player.

I agree with much of what you say, but I just gotta say that an HD Blu-ray disc is not gonna work on a DVD player.

 

[editguy]

I agree with much of what you say, but I just gotta say that an HD Blu-ray disc is not gonna work on a DVD player.

Ok, I meant a bluray player. Sheesh.

 

[ezekielrage_99]

This thread really has turned into a Blu-ray rant....

 

[illegalprelude]

Isn't playback mainly what people would want Blu-Ray for?

actually no, playback of a 1080p video with lossless sound on a 13" screen with janky speakers is pointless. Most people want Blu-ray because I can edit my content in HD but I can export in amazing 480p!

It makes editing in HD or shooting in HD on the mac side not pointless at all. Im sorry but Apple is dragging their feet on this one for no reason.

Are you telling me, every pos company can figure out how to put a Blu-ray player in their computers WITH platback but Apple who was on the Blu-ray board cannot?

 

[MacTraveller]

Oh yeah bring back the Mac Clones! Oh wait... that CRAPTASTIC ABORTION FAILURE already happened in the mid-90s, when Apple CEO Gilbert Amelio ran Apple like a total failure. Steve Jobs returned soon after, and abolished all the failure clones, terminated their licenses, and eventually put Apple back into track as a successful company. Psystar = LOL

 

[illegalprelude]

Oh yeah bring back the Mac Clones! Oh wait... that CRAPTASTIC ABORTION FAILURE already happened in the mid-90s, when Apple CEO Gilbert Amelio ran Apple like a total failure. Steve Jobs returned soon after, and abolished all the failure clones, terminated their licenses, and eventually put Apple back into track as a successful company. Psystar = LOL

Pystar might be a joke but atleast their giving their customers what they want. Again, its stupid stupid to see a company who touted the Era of HD with the President of Sony and be on the Blu-ray board, not do Blu-ray but Acer,Dell, HP and everybody else has figured it out....

 

[plokoonpma]

Criminals? Not one jurisdiction has charged them with a crime, not one. Apple took them to civil court but it seems Apple has backed off and is using a private means to settle.

I have said all along that Apple has a LOT more to loose then Psystar. If Apple looses they get their entire EULA thing invalidated. If Psystar loses, well they have no assets, nothing to loose. Notice that Apple backed off on the suit. Going to court is always a gamble Gambling is not good when the stakes are so uneven, notice how Apple has moved away from the civil court action.

They didn't backed off the suit, the procedure complies with the mechanism of the suit. Actually they are giving Psystar a chance not the other way around.

 

[plokoonpma]

Thank you. I am dumbfounded as to why so many people think Psystar is a threat to Apple.

Is not only a threat to Apple, it is a threat to anyone that holds a copy right in this planet. It is the very danger of loose the rights on your own stuff that is at stake.
Imagine you research, create, develop and evolve a product that is critic and need to coexist with another part of your product. that went thru all that design, engineering, marketing, etc. And someone else go and offer it without ever attempt to buy a license from you. If you don't want to share it, sell it or what ever reason doesn't fit your business why other should be happily around offering and making profit of it. They are stealing your work! You will sit and wait how they rip you apart?

I don't think so

 

[plokoonpma]

There's nothing hard to this. I could put one together myself as they are industry standard parts. I wish Apple would modify the EULA so I can buy their software and install it legally. I would pay more than a Mac user just so I could run it on whatever hardware I want. I want the OS, not their overpriced hardware.

Lets say you have a car factory business and want to build & sell Ferraris and you can't afford to pay Ferrari the loyalties of become such provider. So you go out and use a bunch of "standard parts" , you make your product specs equal or "better" and put an Original Ferrari engine inside. Then you go online and offer it as a product as good as a Ferrari and you also hail that Ferrari can't do anything to you cause you hold the right to use their product without their permission.

What you thing Ferrari will do about it?

When it comes to rights and ownerships you have the right and duty to defend it no matter what requires.

Ferrari gone so far as to treat a guy who transformed his Ferrari into a Limousine. They ordered him to remove all Ferrari and model badges of it.
Why? Cause #1 it is not a final product build from them #2 it affects the brand and overall perception.
And look, this guy used a real Ferrari and all his original parts, but since he stretched it and added other components (structure like panels, fiber glass, etc etc) he faced a multi million suit.

There is a saying in my country that goes this way. "Your rights are good until they mess with mine"
Psystar have NO right at all and should be punish and became example to others.

 

[altair7]

Pirates are criminals in the US, right? They did the same by illegally using patches to make OS X run on their machines.
...
And yes, I truly hope Apple crushes these free-riders with the iron fist of the law. Those that still think that Apple makes money on the OS instead of the hardware are the same ones that have no idea what happened back in the 90s with the clone era.

If by pirates you mean the kind that robs ships, then yes they are criminals in the US. If you mean the computer pirates, then no, that is only copyright infringement at worst. And oh noes! Somebody is patching some softwares in the world! We must do everything possible to crush them!

Do you not understand how ridiculous you sound? There is absolutely nothing immoral or wrong with a company building a machine and then providing an OS as long as they bought the OS. There is NOTHING ethically wrong with patching software (assuming you're not hacking an online game to give yourself an advantage). Lastly, they are not free riding anything. They are building the machines and legally purchasing copies of OSX to install. Their computers don't even look like macs so I really don't see anything that you can consider free-riding unless you count any computer company that installs windows on their computers as free-riding.

 

[richard.mac]

looks like there is almost equal negative and positive votes. i still wouldnt buy one. either build my own PC or buy a Mac.

 

[dukebound85]

Pirates are criminals in the US, right? They did the same by illegally using patches to make OS X run on their machines.

As for the ADR, Apple DID NOT back off on the suit. They simply went through the ADR procedure because this is a normal formality in the litigation process, as an attempt to settle things more "easily". This does NOT mean Apple is waiving the normal lawsuit, quite the opposite actually.

And yes, I truly hope Apple crushes these free-riders with the iron fist of the law. Those that still think that Apple makes money on the OS instead of the hardware are the same ones that have no idea what happened back in the 90s with the clone era.

you know, i installed osx on my hackintosh by using the retail dvd with no patch.........

i bought osx and frankly if i can install it on my own hardware, i will

 

[richard.mac]

but you used a patch to emulate EFI didnt you? whats the legality on that?

and of course in the OS X EULA it states that OS X can only be used/installed on an Apple computer. whats the legailty of the EULA? is it law?

not flaming just interested. im considering the Hackintosh route… its just too hard to choose a mobo that works and suites the features you want.

 

[dukebound85]

but you used a patch to emulate EFI didnt you? whats the legality on that?

and of course in the OS X EULA it states that OS X can only be used/installed on an Apple computer. whats the legailty of the EULA? is it law?

not flaming just interested. im considering the Hackintosh route its just do hard to choose a mobo that works and suites the features you want.

i have a live cd that emulates the efi yes.

but my point is is that i used an apple retail dvd so i really dont care tbh about the specifics on efi emulation

eula is a liscense between me and apple is it not? if i were able to somehow play 360 games on my ps3, i would have no issue in doing so. maybe thats just me

can my mb drive two 20 inch displays? no. can my macbook play any games? not really. can my macbook burn dl dvds? not the one i have. can my mab support 8 gigs of ram? no its stuck at 2. does my mb have quad cores? nope

i went out and built a computer with performance i want at a price i could afford with the parts i chose. initially i bought it as a pc rig for games and other more intensive programs. the fact that i am able to put osx on there is a bonus but i have no qualms about doing so. legally grey? possibly but i will say if apple offered a computer i want, i wouldnt have attempted to do this in the first place

 

[takao]

Lets say you have a car factory business and want to build & sell Ferraris and you can't afford to pay Ferrari the loyalties of become such provider. So you go out and use a bunch of "standard parts" , you make your product specs equal or "better" and put an Original Ferrari engine inside. Then you go online and offer it as a product as good as a Ferrari and you also hail that Ferrari can't do anything to you cause you hold the right to use their product without their permission

you know that Lamborghini actually started out nearly exactly like that ? with building cars using ferrari engines ? which happend to be faster than the original ? and also feature 4 seats while ferrari didn't ?
in fact many car companies (especially in the sport/luxury department) started out that way

seriously apple went from being cutting edge to selling 6 month old tech in a pretty package


there are simply people who prefer to pay premium for premium parts


for me i'm looking more and more away from apple as well :
nothing better headless than the mac mini (i have one .. thank you very much i want something more powerfull) with expansion possibilities
no laptops under 1000bucks
extended warrenty still way too expensive
gpu drivers still lacking (no HD video acceleration ? a travesty)
stupid mini-displayport, no firewire
etc.

seriously if the hardware is as great as some people claim apple would sell them just as great without resorts to "but the dell pcs only sells with vista" remarks

if it weren't for os x who would still buy apple here ? i wouldn't that's for sure

 

[nplima]

but you used a patch to emulate EFI didnt you? whats the legality on that?

irrelevant. The patching happens in your house, in your PC. Nobody will ever find out, therefore there will be no complaint about rights being breached. All that is visible from Apple's point of view is that one day you bought a retail box with OS X and you never bought an Apple PC.

and of course in the OS X EULA it states that OS X can only be used/installed on an Apple computer. whats the legailty of the EULA? is it law?

You can assume it is a valid contract. One that Apple cannot enforce without invading your house and inspecting your PC.

 

[Macmel]

I don't care what anyone says or what the price is... I'd rather have a Rolex than a Romex or Rayban's and not Bayran's. Having the real thing is always better than a swamp meet/flea market quality cheap knock off.

So the intel processors they use, that are the same that Apple uses, are defective?. The Nvidia card is bad quality?. Is that what you mean?.
Are you, Apple defenders, paid by Apple?. If you want a Mac you can buy a Mac. Nobody is forcing you to buy Psystar.

 

[Macmel]

My computer came with Tiger. I bought Leopard for $129.

The reason it's so much cheaper than Windows is that Apple knows I bought a machine from them at some point. Because of that they can chage $129 for the OS upgrades. That's all it is: an upgrade to my machine that I bought from them.

But if this kind of thing takes off, they have no way of knowing if I bought a machine from Apple or not. In fact, there's a good chance that MOST sales of OS X will be going to people who install them on non-Apple hardware. If that becomes common, they'll no longer sell it for $129. Expect to see more Windows-like prices.

That's your point of view, not a fact. One can argue as well that the reason why MS charges you more is because they have to test and provide drivers and support for hundreds of different brands and configurations, peripherals, etc., which Apple does not support.
People are always complaining abour drivers and everything but, the fact is that MS and PC providers do an excellent job considering the potential problems they could face from the use of this configurations.
Just admit it: Apple is not versatile. They're good at what they do, but don't really do much. So it is easy to think that developing and testing a new OS for a handful of configurations is considerably cheaper, and that's not going to change because of Psystar.