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You could get the next SE which is rumored to be 4.7" (i.e. the same design as this one).
I suppose that’s a viable option if I’m still trying to minimize phone usage.

Apple Watch + iPhone SE is a great combination, and the OLED display (especially the LTPO OLED on Apple Watch Series 4) causes me no issues whatsoever.
 
Picked up a Moto for $264 at T-Mobile. Another $10 for a case + screen protector and I’m good to go. Gonna rock this with my 8+ for the next year or 2. At that time I’m going to Verizon (my daughter will be in high school then, and her school is a T-Mobile dead zone)
 

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Picked up a Moto for $264 at T-Mobile. Another $10 for a case + screen protector and I’m good to go. Gonna rock this with my 8+ for the next year or 2. At that time I’m going to Verizon (my daughter will be in high school then, and her school is a T-Mobile dead zone)
Out of curiosity did you consider any of the Galaxy phones? I can’t recall your experience with those, but if I remember correctly a few did give you headaches as well.

If you’re willing to step over to Android and pay a little more you can get a more premium smartphone with a LCD display as well. There’s one by Sony that got rave marks but I don’t remember the model off the top of my head. Samsung will also offer $350 trade-in for an 8+ last I checked.
 
Out of curiosity did you consider any of the Galaxy phones? I can’t recall your experience with those, but if I remember correctly a few did give you headaches as well.

If you’re willing to step over to Android and pay a little more you can get a more premium smartphone with a LCD display as well. There’s one by Sony that got rave marks but I don’t remember the model off the top of my head. Samsung will also offer $350 trade-in for an 8+ last I checked.
I like Moto because it’s pure stock android. Moto phones also have the best battery life of any phone. On Tom’s guide, I think 8 out of the top 15 phones are Motorola.
I came from the Galaxy lineup. I had the 4,5,7, 7 edge and 8+ before I got my iPhone 8+. I also had a OnePlus phone which I loved. All of them had oled and none gave me a headache. I picked up a Pixel 3a last year and got a pwm headache, so I’m not sure what’s up with me lol
 
Understood. The specs on paper look great, especially for the price. Plus 5G. Let me know how you like it. Was $264 subsidized by T-Mobile?

No wonder Apple was considering releasing an iPhone SE Plus with 5G.

It’s too bad iPhone SE didn’t work out for you. I’m beginning to like it as a phone, and the LCD display does look vibrant and adequately sharp overall. Apple won’t build a bad phone, even if it’s a budget model. In fact I’m impressed they even went a step further and made improvements over iPhone 8.
 
Picked up a Moto for $264 at T-Mobile. Another $10 for a case + screen protector and I’m good to go. Gonna rock this with my 8+ for the next year or 2. At that time I’m going to Verizon (my daughter will be in high school then, and her school is a T-Mobile dead zone)
In a year or two t-mobile may have coverage there. :)
 
Understood. The specs on paper look great, especially for the price. Plus 5G. Let me know how you like it. Was $264 subsidized by T-Mobile?

No wonder Apple was considering releasing an iPhone SE Plus with 5G.

It’s too bad iPhone SE didn’t work out for you. I’m beginning to like it as a phone, and the LCD display does look vibrant and adequately sharp overall. Apple won’t build a bad phone, even if it’s a budget model. In fact I’m impressed they even went a step further and made improvements over iPhone 8.
No subsidy, it was $264 plus tax for the 128/6gb model. Keep in mind that ram on android is nothing like iOS. The flagship android phones have 12-16 gb lol. 6gb is considered midrange right now
 
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Picked up a Moto for $264 at T-Mobile. Another $10 for a case + screen protector and I’m good to go. Gonna rock this with my 8+ for the next year or 2. At that time I’m going to Verizon (my daughter will be in high school then, and her school is a T-Mobile dead zone)
I'm glad you've managed to hone in on the device that's going to work for you after the rollercoaster of failed options.

Fingers crossed for iPhone 13 changes......
 
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Thanks man. Crazy world where the only reason we don’t have the flagship phone is our eyes, not our wallets lol. Gutted as you guys would say
Perfectly put. It’s one thing to want something you can’t afford. It’s another to have the means and the desire, only to be part of a small percentage whose eyes won’t cooperate. I try so hard to be positive but I have to say, I have zero reason to think the 13 series will be any different.
 
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Perfectly put. It’s one thing to want something you can’t afford. It’s another to have the means and the desire, only to be part of a small percentage whose eyes won’t cooperate. I try so hard to be positive but I have to say, I have zero reason to think the 13 series will be any different.
LTPO would be promising since it essentially made the PWM amplitude as flat as possible on Apple Watch if Samsung didn’t release the S21 Ultra which has the same conventional PWM implementation on its LTPO OLED.
 
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LTPO would be promising since it essentially made the PWM amplitude as flat as possible on Apple Watch if Samsung didn’t release the S21 Ultra which has the same conventional PWM implementation on its LTPO OLED.
I don’t expect anything to help us for several years now. Not until it’s cheap enough to do. At this point it’s not costing them money, so they won’t change to “help” anyone out
 
I don’t expect anything to help us for several years now. Not until it’s cheap enough to do. At this point it’s not costing them money, so they won’t change to “help” anyone out
Just returns, which has a cost but they still likely make a net profit once they refurbish the phone to use for warranty/resale purposes.

They’re not tracking PWM-related returns, but it’s probably in the thousands to tens of thousands. The only real cost is user health/eye strain.
 
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The display is honestly really good on iPhone SE. During the day the black level is almost as inky as an OLED.

My only holdup is if iPhone 13 was to fix PWM then I’d have to pay more to upgrade and I’d lose having a trade-in. I do like this phone enough over the 8+ to keep it, I just wish I had purchased it sooner.
 
The display is honestly really good on iPhone SE. During the day the black level is almost as inky as an OLED.

My only holdup is if iPhone 13 was to fix PWM then I’d have to pay more to upgrade and I’d lose having a trade-in. I do like this phone enough over the 8+ to keep it, I just wish I had purchased it sooner.
I had that same feeling. It feels “old” even though it’s not. Getting something at launch has a special feeling
 
I had that same feeling. It feels “old” even though it’s not. Getting something at launch has a special feeling
How is it not old? It's over a year old and the processor is over a year and a half old. Nothing wrong with buying one, but IMO, Apple should have dropped the price by 100 bucks, or at least 50 bucks, after a year. Instead they removed the power brick effectively increasing the price by 30 bucks or whatever it costs to buy a power brick.
 
How is it not old? It's over a year old and the processor is over a year and a half old. Nothing wrong with buying one, but IMO, Apple should have dropped the price by 100 bucks, or at least 50 bucks, after a year.
If it launched at $499 I agree. At $399, I feel like if it dropped any more it could affect their “brand”. Like it or not, an iPhone is still a status symbol to the vain people out there. But maybe I’m way off
 
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