iPhone X Rant: I'm over the notch

[The-Real-Deal82]

The cost mainly comes in the form for retooling and development, it’s a harder material work with too. I think aluminum as raw material is actually more expensive and high quality plastics are even more expensive but much easier to form. Also the face id tech surely adds to the cost. I am pretty sure the the notch is here to stay on iPhone. You might be right about the oled but I am skeptical wether Apple paid above and beyond for it given that lcd can be made into pretty much similar shape.

I am probably in the minority but the screen to me is actually a mixed experience, it looks great in sunlight but the blue shift is not ideal. Plus the sub-pixel rendering lines/matrix is quite noticeable sometimes. More-so than Samsung phones due to lower pixel density.

Yeah I’m an industrial designer so metals and their use in fabrication is one of my fortes. I do a lot of programming for 5 Axis CNC mills in Radan and SolidCam too. You’re right Aluminium can often be a more expensive material depending on the market.

If the notch is here to stay I guess I can avoid it until 2020 realistically. I’m not planning on spending £1k on my next upgrade so it’s possible. I’ve never been fussed on OLED to be honest so that was never going to be a major draw for me.

 

[BenTrovato]

If I spent $1000 on the X, I would defend the notch too. Since I didn't, and the notch looks ugly - there's no reason to defend it. I can see both sides of the argument. Although if I bought the X, and I would defend the notch, I feel like deep down I would know it still kinda sorta isn't as good as it could have been. Spending that 1k though.. does wonders on how you feel about it.

 

[thope]

If I spent $1000 on the X, I would defend the notch too. Since I didn't, and the notch looks ugly - there's no reason to defend it. I can see both sides of the argument. Although if I bought the X, and I would defend the notch, I feel like deep down I would know it still kinda sorta isn't as good as it could have been. Spending that 1k though.. does wonders on how you feel about it.

Yep those grapes sure looked sour bud.

 

[Shanghaichica]

If I spent $1000 on the X, I would defend the notch too. Since I didn't, and the notch looks ugly - there's no reason to defend it. I can see both sides of the argument. Although if I bought the X, and I would defend the notch, I feel like deep down I would know it still kinda sorta isn't as good as it could have been. Spending that 1k though.. does wonders on how you feel about it.

I personally am not bothered by the notch but I can understand that some people think it’s ugly. I’m more interested in how a device works rather than how it looks. However if a person is spending £1,000 then they have the right to complain about the way it looks.

 

[Archer1440]

Samsung isnt just trying to do anything but they actually manage to do everything. Without Samsung our world would be less interesting and better to thank Samsung

Yes, exploding batteries, graft on a global level, structural criminality and global scandal are certainly “interesting”, to be sure.

 

[boltjames]

If I spent $1000 on the X, I would defend the notch too. Since I didn't, and the notch looks ugly - there's no reason to defend it. I can see both sides of the argument. Although if I bought the X, and I would defend the notch, I feel like deep down I would know it still kinda sorta isn't as good as it could have been. Spending that 1k though.. does wonders on how you feel about it.

No one has to defend anything. Either buy the phone you want or don't. It's not like the notch took anyone by surprise. It was well known months before the keynote.

The notch is inconsequential to owners, but it has one very useful feature- it let's the people around you know you have money and didn't need to penny-pinch with an Android. It's part of Apple's charm.

 

[Shanghaichica]

No one has to defend anything. Either buy the phone you want or don't. It's not like the notch took anyone by surprise. It was well known months before the keynote.

The notch is inconsequential to owners, but it has one very useful feature- it let's the people around you know you have money and didn't need to penny-pinch with an Android. It's part of Apple's charm.

No it has one useful feature: It houses all of the tech required for Face ID and Animoji’s.

Also even if you think that Samsung’s flagships are over priced. They still cost $900+ dollars and if you’re sporting a note 8 surely people will think that you have an expensive phone?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I really don’t understand this obsession with wanting people to know you have an expensive phone? Does it impress people or do they quietly not actually give a toss?

Are people really that desperate and self absorbed here? To me it’s quite pathetic.

 

[thope]

I really don’t understand this obsession with wanting people to know you have an expensive phone? Does it impress people or do they quietly not actually give a toss?

Are people really that desperate and self absorbed here? To me it’s quite pathetic.

Clearly you don’t understand the obsession to own an Aston Martin or a big house or an expensive education or a powerful job. Clearly you are a saint, an iconoclast the one and only... the_real_deal born in 82, struck at 22

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Clearly you don’t understand the obsession to own an Aston Martin or a big house or an expensive education or a powerful job. Clearly you are a saint, an iconoclast the one and only... the_real_deal born in 82, struck at 22

Haha yeah I’m such a loser for not being a flash div

In all seriousness though we poke fun of people like that but there are people even on here that compare an iPhone X with brands like Aston Martin or even the German taxi company BMW. Certain objects are status symbols, but a £1k mobile phone may be expensive in its sector but it’s not in the same league as a £100k car or a £20k Rolex watch. When we consider every 18 year old gets offered a credit card with a five grand credit limit these days, a phone is small fry.

 

[sumsingwong]

YES! of course! Branding is huge! An Iconic design backed with engineering and marketing only a few products can achieve that and are usually highly successful; Rolex, Porsche, Christian Louboutin shoes, iPod's, iPhone's... etc. Creating a product that can easily be identified without looking at a logo or name is pretty rare. Add that with a quality product you've got something millions of people want at a premium price

So would you feel empty inside if you didn't cover yourself with brand name?

 

[TokMok3]

If I spent $1000 on the X, I would defend the notch too. Since I didn't, and the notch looks ugly - there's no reason to defend it. I can see both sides of the argument. Although if I bought the X, and I would defend the notch, I feel like deep down I would know it still kinda sorta isn't as good as it could have been. Spending that 1k though.. does wonders on how you feel about it.

That type of binary logic does not work in the full spectrum of life.

 

[boltjames]

I really don’t understand this obsession with wanting people to know you have an expensive phone? Does it impress people or do they quietly not actually give a toss?

Are people really that desperate and self absorbed here? To me it’s quite pathetic.

It depends where you are financially and your age. Check out Instagram and Facebook, you'll understand. Who spends more time in the gym? Who has the better vacation? Who put the nicest gift wrap on the Christmas presents?

When you're over 40 these things matter, it's no longer about your values as much as it's about your net worth. Status symbols are everywhere from your car to your watch to your children's schools to your zip code to your mobile phone. I can't bring my trophy wife and my beach house to a board meeting. But I can bring my $19,000 Rolex and my $1,250 iPhone. Doesn't change my life but doesn't suck either.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Samsung isnt just trying to do anything but they actually manage to do everything. Without Samsung our world would be less interesting and better to thank Samsung that they try and go forward and other companies, even Apple, follows them..

And the notch.. i quess we wont see it in the future.

Until there a way to better integrate the true depth sensors into the display the notch is here to stay.
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If I spent $1000 on the X, I would defend the notch too. Since I didn't, and the notch looks ugly - there's no reason to defend it. I can see both sides of the argument. Although if I bought the X, and I would defend the notch, I feel like deep down I would know it still kinda sorta isn't as good as it could have been. Spending that 1k though.. does wonders on how you feel about it.

Personally I like the notch. Deep down inside I like it also. I also understand the reasoning for it too since without it there would be slim to none of possibly of the true depth camera since there would be no where else for the sensors to be placed without sacrificing quality.

 

[DakotaGuy]

It depends where you are financially and your age. Check out Instagram and Facebook, you'll understand. Who spends more time in the gym? Who has the better vacation? Who put the nicest gift wrap on the Christmas presents?

When you're over 40 these things matter, it's no longer about your values as much as it's about your net worth. Status symbols are everywhere from your car to your watch to your children's schools to your zip code to your mobile phone. I can't bring my trophy wife and my beach house to a board meeting. But I can bring my $19,000 Rolex and my $1,250 iPhone. Doesn't change my life but doesn't suck either.

I don’t know about all that material stuff bringing a person happiness or when you’re over 40 it really matters any more. Where I live I have to drive by a cemetery everyday when I go to work. It’s just a reminder sooner or later we’ll all end up there... dead. At that point does any of it matter? Nope.

The things that bring me happiness are my family and close friends. I’m a teacher so I’ll never be rich, but when I have a student that I taught many years ago come up and hug me it makes me happy. I own some land, have a nice little house, drive a nice, but basic F-150, and own a snowmobile that I like to ride in the mountains with friends and family, but other then that my expensive possessions are few.

Now for you it might be very different and that’s fine. We are all entitled to find happiness in our own way. I find it in people I care about, the religion I practice, and what I do in life. I enjoyed my 21 years in the National Guard and felt success making the rank of Major before I retired last year. I still find it in the kids I teach and the families I meet. Anyhow I just wanted to point out that not everyone over 40 only finds happiness in their net worth.

 

[boltjames]

I don’t know about all that material stuff bringing a person happiness or when you’re over 40 it really matters any more. Where I live I have to drive by a cemetery everyday when I go to work. It’s just a reminder sooner or later we’ll all end up there... dead. At that point does any of it matter? Nope.

The things that bring me happiness are my family and close friends. I’m a teacher so I’ll never be rich, but when I have a student that a taught many years ago come up and hug me it makes me happy. I own some land, have a nice little house, and drive a nice, but basic F-150, and own a snowmobile that I like to ride in the mountains with friends and family, but other then that my expensive possessions are few.

Now for you it might be very different and that’s fine. We are all entitled to find happiness in our own way. I find it in people I care about, the religion I practice, and what I do in life. I enjoyed my 21 years in the National Guard and felt success making the rank of Major before I retired last year. I still find it in the kids I teach and the families I meet. Anyhow I just wanted to point out that not everyone over 40 only finds happiness in their net worth.

Great post.

In case I'm not clear (apparently I'm not), it's not my lifestyle that I am pointing out, it's the lifestyle of the "average luxury goods buyer" that Apple is targeting. I'm not one of those Facebook show-off's, I'm not on Instagram pimping my cars, my MR signature is all true but just there as a parody of other's signatures. I've got 4 kids and a great marriage, I give to charity, relatives have served in the military and are first responders, I spend about a month a year in factories in rough provinces in China, I get it.

Just wanted to clear this up.

 

[TokMok3]

I really don’t understand this obsession with wanting people to know you have an expensive phone? Does it impress people or do they quietly not actually give a toss?

Are people really that desperate and self absorbed here? To me it’s quite pathetic.

Apple knows how to us aesthetics and this phone is beautiful! One thing is to watch videos or read opinions about it, and another to own your own and have a first hand experience with the apps that you normally use, then you can have a honest opinion.

Apple need to fix iOS 11 for older devices, my brothers after 5 years finally decided to move to the Android eco system, first they bought the Pixel 2, then the Chromecast and one of them is looking for a good Windows pc. On Christmas I asked my brothers about their experiences with the Pixel 2 and both were positive, they said that it takes good pictures and that it was fast, they are happy with their phones.

This departure was caused by the terrible experience with iOS 11. I have a iPhone X because is a tool that I need for work, just for that. $1000 is too much for a phone, in fact I think that’s an insult to peoples intelligence, and for that amount of money I expect and people should demand that this tool to be fine tuned for the next 3 or 4 years.

Again, iOS 11 on the iPhone X is fast and a great experience, but on the older devices is terrible. Not only slow but many times I have had to waste my time dealing with all it’s bugs.

As you can see I own an iPhone not to show off my status, but as a simple tool for the line of work that I do, as a hammer or screw driver.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Apple know how to us aesthetics and this phone is beautiful! One thing is to watch videos or read opinions about it, and another to own your one and have a first hand experience with the apps that you normally use, then you can have an honest opinion.

Apple need to fix iOS 11 for older devices, my brothers after 5 years finally decided to move to the Android eco system, first they bought the Pixel 2, then the Chromecast and one of them is looking for a good Windows pc. On Christmas I asked my brothers about their experiences with the Pixel 2 and both were positive, they said that it takes good pictures and that it was fast, they are happy with their phones.

This departure was caused by the terrible experience with iOS 11. I have a iPhone X because is a tool that I need for work, just for that. $1000 is too much for a phone, in fact I think that’s an insult to peoples intelligence, and for that amount of money I expect and people should demand that this tool to be fine tuned for the next 3 or 4 years.

Again, iOS 11 on the iPhone X is fast and a great experience, but on the older devices is terrible. Not only slow but many times I have had to waste my time dealing with all it’s bugs.

As you can see I own an iPhone not to show off my status, but as a simple tool for the line of work that I do, as a hammer or screw driver.

Owning my own iPhone X is quite s far off prospect yet. My current contract needs to expire in September and the price needs to come down a few hundred quid. Until then I can only give my opinion based on what I have seen and read.i wish my contract was up sooner considering what Apple have done to my phone with the abominable iOS 11. It really has crippled my experience where most days I’m looking for a charger.

Most people use their phones as tools rather than status symbols. iPhones are so popular these days and a Ford Focus doesn’t turn heads but is a respected product.

 

[TokMok3]

Owning my own iPhone X is quite s far off prospect yet. My current contract needs to expire in September and the price needs to come down a few hundred quid. Until then I can only give my opinion based on what I have seen and read.i wish my contract was up sooner considering what Apple have done to my phone with the abominable iOS 11. It really has crippled my experience where most days I’m looking for a charger.

Most people use their phones as tools rather than status symbols. iPhones are so popular these days and a Ford Focus doesn’t turn heads but is a respected product.

That's the gloom side of life, people don't value others for what they are, but for what they have.

 

[thope]

Haha yeah I’m such a loser for not being a flash div

In all seriousness though we poke fun of people like that but there are people even on here that compare an iPhone X with brands like Aston Martin or even the German taxi company BMW. Certain objects are status symbols, but a £1k mobile phone may be expensive in its sector but it’s not in the same league as a £100k car or a £20k Rolex watch. When we consider every 18 year old gets offered a credit card with a five grand credit limit these days, a phone is small fry.

Yep, depends on the demographic. But it’s not about absolute price. It’s about purchase justification. One doesn’t stay solvent by making poor value based decisions. Last year I had a iPhone 7 and it cost 750 us, this year, I got the x and 256 gb was only 150 for 4x space. Then I got AppleCare as the phone instantly felt like it would break at some point. Basically I spent twice for something that does exactly the same thing. A poor value proposition regardless of cost but it was attractive enough for me to make the purchase. So, I certainly understand someone justifying their purchase.

Plus, it’s not really that small a fry in a general standpoint if you are being offered finance to purchase something.

I highly doubt even 50% people will upgrade every 2 years even here in the US if carriers didn’t offer financing like now.

 

[TokMok3]

I highly doubt even 50% people will upgrade every 2 years even here in the US if carriers didn’t offer financing like now.

I agree with this...

 

[DakotaGuy]

Great post.

In case I'm not clear (apparently I'm not), it's not my lifestyle that I am pointing out, it's the lifestyle of the "average luxury goods buyer" that Apple is targeting. I'm not one of those Facebook show-off's, I'm not on Instagram pimping my cars, my MR signature is all true but just there as a parody of other's signatures. I've got 4 kids and a great marriage, I give to charity, relatives have served in the military and are first responders, I spend about a month a year in factories in rough provinces in China, I get it.

Just wanted to clear this up.

Well after reading your post and seeing your signature I think you can see how a common man or woman might be a little confused about what sort of a person your trying to be.

As long as you don't run around bragging about wealth or calling others with less peasants I'm sure we'd get along just fine. Heck I think Warren Buffett is about as down to earth as you can get and I doubt anyone on these message boards have even a fraction of his wealth.

 

[rishic89]

So would you feel empty inside if you didn't cover yourself with brand name?

Pretty much.

 

[44267547]

If I spent $1000 on the X, I would defend the notch too. Since I didn't, and the notch looks ugly - there's no reason to defend it..

Actually, for those who I know who have spent over thousand dollars on the iPhone X, have not even commented on the notch one way or the other. Why? Because they don't care. They just want to use the phone for what it is and they don't need or have to justify anything other than what they like about the phone for themselves. It's a piece of tech, not a long-term investment.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I must admit the notch doesn’t bother me at the moment as my phone doesn’t have one lol.

The good thing about this place and being potential owners of an iPhone in future that has it means we can discuss whether it looks gash or not. It’s a Marmite feature that has clearly divided opinion among Apple fans and iPhone users and I think it’ll be discussed for quite some time yet.