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Realistic Macbook and Macbook Pro Upgrade rumor

Multimedia said:
Is this a different refresh coming now? I can see the MacBook last Merom in Santa Rosa refresh coming up soon but not the MacBook Pro without Penryn next.
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If the MacBook is getting Santa Rosa parts, the MBP will have to evolve a bit further also or they will become far too equal. We should be glad that Dell came up with that funny little XPS M1330, it will be the reason for the new MacBooks to become even better. :D

Again about the dedicated graphics in the MacBook... consumers want their Sims 2, World of Warcraft, Second Life and what about Guitar Hero III? Just think about it! Now with more games coming out natively for Mac it would be weird that especially the new consumer line products shouldn't be able to handle them.

To make the new MacBook a success it needs dedicated graphics. With that feature all the Dell's and VAIO's will become pretty unnecessary. See here! :p
 
MacBook Refresh Will Be Announced Tuesday November 6

nines said:
If the MacBook is getting Santa Rosa parts, the MBP will have to evolve a bit further also or they will become far too equal. We should be glad that Dell came up with that funny little XPS M1330, it will be the reason for the new MacBooks to become even better. :D

Again about the dedicated graphics in the MacBook... consumers want their Sims 2, World of Warcraft, Second Life and what about Guitar Hero III? Just think about it! Now with more games coming out natively for Mac it would be weird that especially the new consumer line products shouldn't be able to handle them.

To make the new MacBook a success it needs dedicated graphics. With that feature all the Dell's and VAIO's will become pretty unnecessary. See here! :p
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I'm sorry you are delusional if you believe MacBooks will ever have dedicated graphics - never have, never will. They will simply get a 2GHz, 2.2GHz Merom x3100 IG 4GB ram capable Santa Rosa refresh announced November 6th.

You are also delusional if you think Apple is going to refresh MBP with anything short of 45nm Penryns to be featured in the January 15 SteveNote.
 
nines said:
That's what I thought too before I saw this here and that.

Sure the response to this could be like that.

But then Dell came out recently with that mean M1730 featuring dual 8700m GT's and that 2.8GHz CPU... in a notebook. :eek:

Apple needs to take action soon, I guess. :rolleyes:
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I had a thread about that notebook not too long ago. It's great, and follows in the foot steps of many Alienwares, but it's way too thick, fat, and ugly to be of any use as a portable machine. You might as well get an imac and take off the stand.

nines said:
There is absolutely no doubt that the upcoming MacBooks will not only be faster then the new Dell M1330 but also prettier. That's how it works. :p
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The thing about the Dell 1330, is that to get it up to a reasonable spec, you'd have to spend at least $2000+ which isn't bad, but then you aren't talking about a consumer notebook much anymore. It'd be nice if Dell could give you WiFi, Bluetooth, 2GHz Intel chip, dedicated graphics, and a LED display standard, and at $1500, otherwise, it's a MacBook.

nines said:
Another thing what won't be changed much in the MBPs is the keyboard. They'd have to redesign the whole cooling mechanism in the notebook. At the same time a lot of people who need a new 'pro' notebook and are into graphics will decide between a MBP or a ThinkPad T61/T61p and one major reason to go for the ThinkPad actually is it's keyboard!
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If the keyboard is the only thing or the strongest asset the ThinkPad has, then IBM has a lot of work to do on everything else, not to mention finding a way to run Mac OS X on their machines, which is Apple's strongest asset.
 
Multimedia said:
I'm sorry you are delusional if you believe MacBooks will ever have dedicated graphics - never have, never will. They will simply get a 2GHz, 2.2GHz Merom x3100 IG 4GB ram capable Santa Rosa refresh announced November 6th.

You are also delusional if you think Apple is going to refresh MBP with anything short of 45nm Penryns to be featured in the January 15 SteveNote.
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That's what I'm expecting.
 
Multimedia said:
I'm sorry you are delusional if you believe MacBooks will ever have dedicated graphics - never have, never will.
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when the consumer notebook line went by the "i" instead of "mac" denomination they had dedicated GPUs.
 
thies said:
when the consumer notebook line went by the "i" instead of "mac" denomination they had dedicated GPUs.
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That was because Apple designed the chipset, and they didn't have/own any GPUs to integrate.

And Apple also integrated the Northbridge/Southbridge into a single chip instead.

So back then they were still running 2 big hot chips like they do today with the MacBooks -- (N+S)+GPU instead of today's (N+GPU)+S.

This integrated Intrepid2 also allowed them to use the same basic design for both the iBook and the PowerBook 12, and basically just update the GPU in the PowerBook.
 
G4 iBooks Were Never MacBooks

thies said:
when the consumer notebook line went by the "i" instead of "mac" denomination they had dedicated GPUs.
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Well the G4 iBook never was a CD or C2D MacBook was it?

That's the point of my "never had, never will" comment. MacBooks are based on Integrated Graphics while iBooks never were.

BTW the Intel X3100 IG will kick ass for it's class!
 
Historical Evidence, End Of MacBook+Free iPod Offer, Last Mobile Not Yet Santa Rosa

Eric Lewis said:
how do u know this is coming november 6th are u a factory worker in asia?
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I don't. I'm making an educated guess based on historical evidence, end of the MacBook+FREE iPod offer October 30 and Intel's roadmap. I'll be surprised if it isn't. MacBook is the last Mobile Mac left without Santa Rosa. Is there some evidence that makes you think it won't?
 
nines said:
To let the cat out of the bag...

It's true that the MacBook will get a major revamp and necessarily along with this the MacBook Pro also so they won't become too 'similar'.

Yep, yep. :rolleyes:
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Can we expect the MacBook update at WWDC, or within this next month for the holiday season? Is it likely for :apple: to update the MB's without any update for the MBP's during the holiday season? What kind of response can occur if they were to update the MB's and MBP's at different times . .
 
The last MB update was 159 days ago, the last MBP update was 138 days ago...they're not updated together :)
 
No MBP Update Until January 15 • MacBook Update November 6

JSpence said:
Can we expect the MacBook update at WWDC, or within this next month for the holiday season? Is it likely for :apple: to update the MB's without any update for the MBP's during the holiday season? What kind of response can occur if they were to update the MB's and MBP's at different times . .
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This post looks like you don't study the details of what is happening at Intel nor did you read this thread first. Forget about a MBP update until January 15. November 6 is the MacBook update. Read this thread. All the info is here.
 
psychofreak said:
The last MB update was 159 days ago, the last MBP update was 138 days ago...they're not updated together :)
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lol youre right. idk, i would think that if the MB got a bump before the holidays that it might be too close to the MBP. Am I wrong?

Also, just wanted to add that I'm really stoked for Leopard. So stoked, I drew this graffiti on Facebook:
http://apps.facebook.com/graffiti/comment.php?gid=112684

wanted to share it with everyone else whos excited that updates may come with the new OS :)
 
Multimedia said:
This post looks like you don't study the details of what is happening at Intel nor did you read this thread first. Forget about a MBP update until January 15. November 6 is the MacBook update. Read this thread. All the info is here.
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Sorry, I read this thread, and I see what you're pointing at. Obviously waiting on Intel's new Penryn, etc.. I agree and see how this will most likely play out. Just being a little skeptcial, because frankly my knowledge on the matter isn't extensive unlike others in this thread :eek:
 
Yep, all looks hopeful for a Nov 6th release date. I just hope it's a basic SR and GPU update, because if this fabled 'slimline ultraportable' replaces the MacBook and comes with an external optical drive I will be less than impressed. Since when is it a 'portable' solution to carry around two pieces of hardware instead of one? In fact, if the iPhone is anything to go by, then it wouldn't be :apple: if it couldn't do everything as a single piece of hardware. Here's hoping Multimedia is right again :)
 
Multimedia said:
BTW the Intel X3100 IG will kick ass for it's class!
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Absolutely!

People need to get off this "integrated graphics sucks" train. The Intel GMA950 is, in many ways, much better than the discrete graphics it replaced in the Mac mini and iBooks. Certainly, it is getting long in the tooth now, and the x3100 will be a vast improvement.

If the MacBooks are truly refreshed on November 6th, I will definitely be buying one. I will be coming home (for good!!!) from Iraq around that time.

I hope they simply upgrade to SR (w/ the x3100 graphics) and leave everything else alone (well, I won't complain if they throw in LED backlight displays...but am not counting on it). I absolutely LOVE the current styling, form factor, and keyboard on the current gen MacBook.
 
juxtaposer said:
Yep, all looks hopeful for a Nov 6th release date. I just hope it's a basic SR and GPU update, because if this fabled 'slimline ultraportable' replaces the MacBook and comes with an external optical drive I will be less than impressed. Since when is it a 'portable' solution to carry around two pieces of hardware instead of one? In fact, if the iPhone is anything to go by, then it wouldn't be :apple: if it couldn't do everything as a single piece of hardware. Here's hoping Multimedia is right again :)
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You're just bitter because you very obviously recently bought a MacBook.

Me too. :(
 
Hm. Here's my two cents.

MacBooks may or may not be aluminum, but I don't think they'll go thin. If aluminum, they might have nano-like colors (which would make me foaming with envy). Crestline, 2.0 and 2.2, along with X3100. No other changes, aside maybe an SSD option. Mid-late November (due to 6-month cycle).

MacBooks Pro would get Penryn chips at faster speeds, possibly upgraded GPUs, maybe a black option. Possible SSD option. MacWorld release date.

Like I said, a subcompact MacBook mini, if one were to exist, would probably be 11" widescreen, 1.8/2.0 C2D with color casings, SSD option, and external optical drive, possibly even a docking station a la PowerBook Duo.
 
Two queries on a MB update:

1) If it's just a bump, is a price drop a possibility?

2) If 4GB RAM becomes an option, what sort of price would it be as a BTO? The same huge amount as on the iMac? (£90 to go from 1-2, £450 to then go from 2-4! :eek:)
 
timmyb said:
Two queries on a MB update:

1) If it's jump a bump, is a price drop a possibility?

2) If 4GB RAM becomes an option, what sort of price would it be as a BTO? The same huge amount as on the iMac? (£90 to go from 1-2, £450 to then go from 2-4! :eek:)
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1) Price drop is unlikely. Although I don't quite see there being three price points if they were to release a MacBook with color options; nano-like pricing would be probable, but probably no price drop.

2) It'll probably cost as much as the MBP 4GB upgrade.
 
Mh... I don't think that the MPBs will get 45nm chips already in January. As far as I know most of these 'early' Penryn chips yet have an 800MHz frontside bus AND require 35W juice -> no significant advantage over the Merom and much higher cost.

It's a lot more likely that the current Santa Rosa MBPs will get a slight speedboost. 800MHz RAM, 256MB/512MB VRAM, 'faster' CPU 2.4GHz/2.6GHz... this is realistic, no big changes though but still making the MBPs a bit more perfect. :rolleyes:

Again - if they upgrade the MacBook to a Santa Rosa platform, the MBPs WILL receive a boost too or they will simply get too equal!

It's true that the Intel GMA X3100 is a proper videochip but consumers want to play games also. Especially the student bunch who are into Second Life stuff and World of Warcraft - this brings whole MASSES to the MacBook. I'm convinced that we will get dedicated graphics in the new MacBook. Dedicated graphics with a 128-bit memory interface because otherwhise it would be pointless and the most suitable mobile solution yet is the 8400m GT.

Well, let's wait and see. *shrug*
 
nines said:
It's true that the Intel GMA X3100 is a proper videochip but consumers want to play games also. Especially the student bunch who are into Second Life stuff and World of Warcraft - this brings whole MASSES to the MacBook.
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World of Warcraft is VERY playable with the GMA950. And it will be absolutely BEAUTIFUL with the x3100.
 
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