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Fred Zed

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You may have had 1x selected in the camera app, but the metadata of your photo is showing it used the 0.5x ultra wide lens (because of the f/1.8 aperture). Since it was low light, the camera app likely chose to use the 0.5x ultra wide lens and digitally zoomed in 2x for the 1x shot.

If you have 1x selected in the stock camera app, it does not guarantee you'll be using the 1x wide lens. It will decide whether to use the 1x wide lens, or the 0.5x ultra wide lens zoomed in 2x based on lighting conditions and what it thinks will take the better picture.

The same goes for 3x. If you have 3x selected in the stock camera app, it will decide whether to use 3x telephoto lens, the 1x wide lens zoomed in 3x, or the 0.5x ultra wide lens zoomed in 6x.

The stock camera app does not give you control over what lens to use, whereas 3rd party camera apps like Halide do.
Thanks, I think I'm understanding the situation now. In essence the camera is over riding my 1x setting. ? I'm using the stock camera app.
 
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golfnut1982

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The Camara app vs Halide comparison was quite good!. The photo where the number 388 img_3516 and 3517 on the left can be seen comparison is a good one to compare. I think the iPhone app looks better, clearer and sharper with img_3516.
 
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raffcol

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Nov 11, 2021
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I installed Halide last week. After playing around with it for days, I can't really tell any real difference between it and the stock camera app.

My results are like the large photos posted by the guy above in this thread.

What am I doing wrong? (have 2 more days before I can cancel the trial)

Thanks!
Turn off "Enable Smart Processing" in the Settings.
 
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chriscl

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Jan 4, 2008
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I have a really weird one with my iPhone 13 Pro, never Seen this before; took this photo with the Wide Camera (26mm, f1.5) at just after 1700, so getting towards dusk.

This was taken outdoors (not through glass or anything) but the bright lit area in the centre of the Ferris wheel has been inverted and replicated floating in the sky (look to the left):

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I’ve never seen this before, and I can’t seem to replicate it (although I’m going to go out tonight in the dark and try!)

Anyone else see similar artifacts?
 

Taz Mangus

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I have a really weird one with my iPhone 13 Pro, never Seen this before; took this photo with the Wide Camera (26mm, f1.5) at just after 1700, so getting towards dusk.

This was taken outdoors (not through glass or anything) but the bright lit area in the centre of the Ferris wheel has been inverted and replicated floating in the sky (look to the left):

View attachment 1911573

I’ve never seen this before, and I can’t seem to replicate it (although I’m going to go out tonight in the dark and try!)

Anyone else see similar artifacts?
The reflection looks like someone wearing a necklace. As if it is a reflection in a window by the person taking the picture.
 

-griffy-

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Jun 15, 2011
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The reflection looks like someone wearing a necklace. As if it is a reflection in a window by the person taking the picture.
It’s the struts and center ring of the Ferris wheel inverted. It’s just a strange bit of lens flare, probably made more obvious because of the brightness of the lights on the wheel contrasted against the dark sky.
 

MacLappy

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Jul 28, 2011
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The Camara app vs Halide comparison was quite good!. The photo where the number 388 img_3516 and 3517 on the left can be seen comparison is a good one to compare. I think the iPhone app looks better, clearer and sharper with img_3516.

I noticed that too, especially when contrasting the way both apps deal with the texture of the wall. To my eyes the native camera app photo output does indeed look better.
 

tedley

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Nov 3, 2009
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I noticed that too, especially when contrasting the way both apps deal with the texture of the wall. To my eyes the native camera app photo output does indeed look better.
That's really strange, but I agree with @-griffy-. I think it's lens flare, albeit some of the strangest lens flare I've seen. If you follow from the top of the main artifact and proceed right to the statue, there are several other smaller artifacts that also look like more typical lens flare.
 

-griffy-

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That's really strange, but I agree with @-griffy-. I think it's lens flare, albeit some of the strangest lens flare I've seen. If you follow from the top of the main artifact and proceed right to the statue, there are several other smaller artifacts that also look like more typical lens flare.
Yup, and those flares are coming from the lights in the lower left of the image along the sidewalk.
 

chriscl

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Jan 4, 2008
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Stuttgart, Germany
It’s the struts and center ring of the Ferris wheel inverted. It’s just a strange bit of lens flare, probably made more obvious because of the brightness of the lights on the wheel contrasted against the dark sky.

Yeah, that is exactly it. It was just I’ve never seen such flare before.

The occasional bit, yes, especially with streetlights. But never that clearly.
 

dubvulture

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I have a really weird one with my iPhone 13 Pro, never Seen this before; took this photo with the Wide Camera (26mm, f1.5) at just after 1700, so getting towards dusk.

This was taken outdoors (not through glass or anything) but the bright lit area in the centre of the Ferris wheel has been inverted and replicated floating in the sky (look to the left):

View attachment 1911573

I’ve never seen this before, and I can’t seem to replicate it (although I’m going to go out tonight in the dark and try!)

Anyone else see similar artifacts?
I managed a mirror image crescent moon in this one.
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MacLappy

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Jul 28, 2011
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That's really strange, but I agree with @-griffy-. I think it's lens flare, albeit some of the strangest lens flare I've seen. If you follow from the top of the main artifact and proceed right to the statue, there are several other smaller artifacts that also look like more typical lens flare.

Sorry Tedley, I believe we are talking about different photos.

I am referring to the comparison between native app vs Halide app. In those shots the native app seems to be doing slightly better to my eyes, especially in the way it handles shadows and textures.

What you are referring to I believe is the Ferris Wheel image with a lot of lens flare. I completely agree with you on that shot. I do however want to point out that lens flare has been a consistent problems on the iPhone camera for some time now, and the 13 series has seen improvements in comparison to the 12 series in this area.
 
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ringomainichi

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Oct 8, 2021
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This is a perfect example of bad and invasive iOS photo processing:
Thanks for posting the example. If the camera app has live mode enabled (circle icon in top right of camera app), the phone continuously records video, then when you press the shutter, it saves both a still image at 4032x3024 resolution, and a video file at 1920x1440 resolution from 1.5 seconds before to 1.5 seconds after you press the shutter.


If after pressing the shutter you quickly press the image preview to review the photo, it might not have enough time to finish recording the 1.5 seconds and process the still photo, so there may be a short delay before the still image is processed and you see the change after it applies the hdr, "deep fusion", sharpening, noise reduction, etc.


You could change the key photo of the live image, by pressing edit, then the live circle icon, then choose a different frame, and select "make key photo". However, the new key photo will be from a frame of the lower resolution movie and it will scale up a 1920x1440 video frame to 4032x3024, resulting in less detail than the original still image, but maybe some would like it better anyway, try it and see.


Incidentally, you can tell if an image has "deep fusion" applied by using the free "Metapho" app, it will say "deeply fused" in the Metapho image information.


Live photos is an interesting feature, I would use it more often, but my live videos always seem to have a glitch or hiccup in the middle when the shutter was pressed, even on the 13. You'd think with the latest processors and cameras they'd be able to make a smooth video even while taking a still image.
 

quirky

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Oct 13, 2011
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I’m thinking of getting an iPhone 13 pro…will a third party camera app fix this issue?
 

Anatomyninja

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Nov 17, 2021
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This is really interesting, look at the screenshot in the view finder before processing and then the processed image.

This is a software issue.

The viewfinder screenshot with some light editing would be superb! However once you hit that shutter button the sharpening demon arrives.

Also wow it looks a lot better when uploaded here…? On my phone it looks atrocious here it just looks alright? Heavy software issues.


The third one is pretty bad however, I’m going to test this throughly later.
 

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quirky

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Oct 13, 2011
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This is really interesting, look at the screenshot in the view finder before processing and then the processed image.

This is a software issue.

The viewfinder screenshot with some light editing would be superb! However once you hit that shutter button the sharpening demon arrives.

Also wow it looks a lot better when uploaded here…? On my phone it looks atrocious here it just looks alright? Heavy software issues.


The third one is pretty bad however, I’m going to test this throughly later.
Would another camera app fix it then?
 

-griffy-

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Jun 15, 2011
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Probably Starlink then? Because regular satellites don't rotate in this way that would occur as dots on a long exposure.
It's due to the way the iPhone creates a long exposure. It's not an actual long exposure where the shutter remains open for some duration of time, it's instead stacking a sequence of images together to create a computationally generated long exposure. So you don't get an uninterrupted line of light that was drawn across the image as the satellite moved during the open shutter, but a separate dot where the satellite was during each individual photo taken.
 

PeterJP

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Feb 2, 2012
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It's due to the way the iPhone creates a long exposure. It's not an actual long exposure where the shutter remains open for some duration of time, it's instead stacking a sequence of images together to create a computationally generated long exposure. So you don't get an uninterrupted line of light that was drawn across the image as the satellite moved during the open shutter, but a separate dot where the satellite was during each individual photo taken.
Cool, thanks for the clarification! I was convinced it was Starlink :)
 
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