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Anatomyninja

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Would another camera app fix it then?
You decide, I’ve never edited a photo before. Shot in raw (Lightroom) and edited.

Left is me, right is iPhone.
 

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Anatomyninja

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quirky

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You decide, I’ve never edited a photo before. Shot in raw (Lightroom) and edited.

Left is me, right is iPhone.
How are the photos without editing? The ones shot in lightroom.

Does this fix the over sharpening issue?


You can also try this

Does this work?
 
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ToddH

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I have a really weird one with my iPhone 13 Pro, never Seen this before; took this photo with the Wide Camera (26mm, f1.5) at just after 1700, so getting towards dusk.

This was taken outdoors (not through glass or anything) but the bright lit area in the centre of the Ferris wheel has been inverted and replicated floating in the sky (look to the left):

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I’ve never seen this before, and I can’t seem to replicate it (although I’m going to go out tonight in the dark and try!)

Anyone else see similar artifacts?
That my friend is called lens flare or ghosting. It is caused by the internal reflections in the optics. If the individual optics were fully multi-coated then this would not happen. You will see it with bright pinpoint lights (Christmas tree lights for example) will be ghosted as well. You’ll just have to clone them out. All iPhone cameras do it and have done it for years!! It is annoying but no fix yet. DSLR lenses (Nikon, Canon, Zeiss), don’t because of the advanced multi-coated optics. So we will all have to deal with it until the coatings improve…
 

Kutfe

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Anybody use iOS 15.1.1 or 15.2 beta's ? What about the camera on these firmwares?
 

Anatomyninja

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How are the photos without editing? The ones shot in lightroom.

Does this fix the over sharpening issue?


You can also try this

Does this work?
The over sharpening occurs on every photo taken on the stock camera app, as well as over exposure and blown out HDR.

I’m 90% sure it’s an HDR issue in post, one quick fix is if you take a Live Photo and change the “key frame” or the frame displayed you will get a unedited photo without the sharpening and processing.

So here is a great example, a blown out HDR photo(2) vs the key frame (1)change on my phone. Now both of these photos are blown out by the raw Lightroom photo(3)

The issue is apple processing, and any form of processing on the phone destroys photos. Take raw photos and the edits yourself, which is ******** since every cannot be taken within the stock app.
 

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Anatomyninja

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If you use ProRAW, don’t forget about this helpful adjustment, sharpening mask because it works great!!! I now use it all the time as I now understand what it does.

It seems pro raw for me is unusable as well since the sharpening edit is applied and you cannot unsharpen a photo in post.

Non apple raw photos work the best with some post edits!
 

ToddH

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It seems pro raw for me is unusable as well since the sharpening edit is applied and you cannot unsharpen a photo in post.

Non apple raw photos work the best with some post edits!
Raw has no sharpening applied. In Lightroom mobile you can add or remove as much sharpening as you need. Sure deep fusion is applied, but that isn’t sharpening. If you edit the ProRAW photo from the iPhone edit tool, then yes, can’t remove sharpening. But you can in Lightroom mobile which is the best app out there for editing
 

lumens

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I too am unhappy with the relatively average image quality of my new iPhone 13 Pro and that is compared to my old iPhone 8 Plus, which should have been a slam dunk, no comparison, no questions asked (disclaimer: I also own $10K in pro camera equipment). I'm sure many if not most people will be perfectly happy with this phone but for people who really, really care about lenses, sharpness and color science, who are ready to spend $1,000 just because they might want better image quality, for those people this phone could be a bit of a letdown. My issues with it are:

- 1) the color calibration on this camera is "wrong", meaning there's too much orange for example (I do not like orange portraits)

- 2) overly saturated (I want my camera to capture the most natural and lifelike colors possible)

- 3) images are slightly "soft" or slightly "blurry" in a way that is difficult to describe (I personally like sharp lenses)

- 4) images are highly processed with aggressive sharpening, noise reduction, grain removal and micro contrast enhancements (resulting in the paint or plastic effect) with no way to disable it

- 5) there's no way to customize these processing settings in "Image Styles". Image styles only allows for temperature and tone, but that does not fix the issues.

I did a clean install, disabled "Priorize Faster Shooting", disabled "Lens Correction", disabled "Auto Macro", disabled "View Outside the Frame", disabled "View Full HDR", set Photographic Styles to "Standard", turned off "Live View" and paid close attention to focussing. I even calibrated the screen I also shot a few pictures in RAW to see if there was a huge difference in Lightroom. The RAW files are nothing to write home about. It's not the solution to a "soft" capture. It's like the iPhone 13 Pro really never takes a super sharp correctly focussed image. When the pictures look sharp it's because they're sharpened in post and that looks bad to me.

I love the screen on the iPhone 13 Pro and think it looks gorgeous. Still, I'm shipping it back to Apple today.
 

quirky

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Oct 13, 2011
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I too am unhappy with the relatively average image quality of my new iPhone 13 Pro and that is compared to my old iPhone 8 Plus, which should have been a slam dunk, no comparison, no questions asked (disclaimer: I also own $10K in pro camera equipment). I'm sure many if not most people will be perfectly happy with this phone but for people who really, really care about lenses, sharpness and color science, who are ready to spend $1,000 just because they might want better image quality, for those people this phone could be a bit of a letdown. My issues with it are:

- 1) the color calibration on this camera is "wrong", meaning there's too much orange for example (I do not like orange portraits)

- 2) overly saturated (I want my camera to capture the most natural and lifelike colors possible)

- 3) images are slightly "soft" or slightly "blurry" in a way that is difficult to describe (I personally like sharp lenses)

- 4) images are highly processed with aggressive sharpening, noise reduction, grain removal and micro contrast enhancements (resulting in the paint or plastic effect) with no way to disable it

- 5) there's no way to customize these processing settings in "Image Styles". Image styles only allows for temperature and tone, but that does not fix the issues.

I did a clean install, disabled "Priorize Faster Shooting", disabled "Lens Correction", disabled "Auto Macro", disabled "View Outside the Frame", disabled "View Full HDR", set Photographic Styles to "Standard", turned off "Live View" and paid close attention to focussing. I even calibrated the screen I also shot a few pictures in RAW to see if there was a huge difference in Lightroom. The RAW files are nothing to write home about. It's not the solution to a "soft" capture. It's like the iPhone 13 Pro really never takes a super sharp correctly focussed image. When the pictures look sharp it's because they're sharpened in post and that looks bad to me.

I love the screen on the iPhone 13 Pro and think it looks gorgeous. Still, I'm shipping it back to Apple today.
Did you try a third party app?
 
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Pandyone

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Is there any other camera app that does this. I don’t want to spend 50$ for an app…

Able to turn off the processing?
I’m not sure about what apps has the option. But I don’t think for example Moment or ProShot uses Apples processing at all. Moment is not that expensive and gives lots of manual controls. Another app is ProCamera (by Cocologics) but have not tried it.
 

SocialKonstruct

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Having a nightmare with my 1TB iPhone 13 Pro Max and apparently apart from the image quality the back camera has a slow time auto focusing on anything. Disappointing! Compared to my Samsung S21 Galaxy Ultra I am stunned that this is a bust. I may switch to the Google Pixel 6 soon.
 

ToddH

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Having a nightmare with my 1TB iPhone 13 Pro Max and apparently apart from the image quality the back camera has a slow time auto focusing on anything. Disappointing! Compared to my Samsung S21 Galaxy Ultra I am stunned that this is a bust. I may switch to the Google Pixel 6 soon.
Just get the iPhone looked at by making an appointment with an Apple store. The pixel 6 I hear is worse and the software is very buggy. iPhone is way better. That’s my opinion though because I can’t stand android software!

I have the same iPhone as you, no problems here. And if you are the only one so far with this issue, Apple will replace it on the spot.
 

ToddH

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But NO detail at all !!! Look at the red sign in the middle - can u read smth ?
Too far away… plus the compression on the forum here degrades the image even more. Where is your common sense? You should know that! The little red sign isn’t the focus here, it’s the sky and tracks. Geez!

The iPhone camera (1x) has about the same resolution as the human eye, so if you can’t read a sign in low light, chances are the iPhone will not either.

You’ve been told!
 
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Pandyone

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Too far away… plus the compression on the forum here degrades the image even more. Where is your common sense? You should know that! The little red sign isn’t the focus here, it’s the sky and tracks. Geez!

The iPhone camera (1x) has about the same resolution as the human eye, so if you can’t read a sign in low light, chances are the iPhone will not either.

You’ve been told!

This is very off topic, but the human eye has about 576 megapixels. It's a lot more than a 12 mp iPhone photo.
I think your photo looks nice, but there is issues with the sharpness, and it might be due to compression when uploading or the photo itself. However, it might also be over sharpening in Lightroom; looking at it on a phone might be better, but on computer screen it's more apparent.
 

darkheroz

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Too far away… plus the compression on the forum here degrades the image even more. Where is your common sense? You should know that! The little red sign isn’t the focus here, it’s the sky and tracks. Geez!

The iPhone camera (1x) has about the same resolution as the human eye, so if you can’t read a sign in low light, chances are the iPhone will not either.

You’ve been told!
Your photo is nice, but 13pro have some bad issues, u see all comments here. Can u upload a link to the original file ? 10x in advance.
 

ToddH

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Your photo is nice, but 13pro have some bad issues, u see all comments here. Can u upload a link to the original file ? 10x in advance.
No issues with my iPhone or image quality. I shoot everything in RAW. Therefore I have full control over my sharpening and everything else with the photo. The issues you guys are talking about here are jpeg files which are highly compressed and processed before you can do anything with them. Large pixels on a small sensor tend to produce less sharp photos of objects further away. Anyway, I’ll find a photo to upload that’s worthy of viewing, something taken in better light that’s not a quick shot out of my vehicle window as I was crossing the tracks as seen here.
 
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