iPhone 13 Pro Really bad photos with iPhone 13 Pro (+Max) Merged

[ToddH]

There are examples with the issues in raw too in this thread.
just because you do not experience the problems with your device, they can exist on others and cause bad results.
I’m not sure why you’re that defensive regarding the issues being reported. But they are still there

Not trying to be defensive, I’m sure the issue could be due to optical flaws, bad technique, and camera shake. But the iOS version is the same across the board, so it can’t be a software issue on the iPhone. Otherwise everyone will see what your pointing out. I see a lot of people taking photos with their iPhone and they punch the shutter button on the screen hard enough where it shakes the entire iPhone. Like it’s a physical button they have to press. I took my iPhone out Friday morning and got a lot of photos, I did use a tripod the whole time so I could take my time and compose my shots. Camera shake and IBIS (in body image stabilization) which the 1x camera has, could be jarred if shaken hard enough to cause some distortion. I doubt everyone presses the shutter that hard though. I like the results I’m getting. I’d like to see if using a tripod wil change the final image for you guys… Something to experiment with, right?

 

[AlGardner]

sure the issue could be due to optical flaws, bad technique, and camera shake.

Good for you
But people here are not that dumb
And, by the way, what is your explanation that my XR, with button shaking all iPhone, (exactly how I’m shooting with the 13pm), delivers sharp photos, when 13pm is blurry?
You are OK with that issue, than what are you doing here? Zero help, only that “I am good at photo, you are not”

Try to photo people, not trees, maybe you’ll discover something interesting for yourself

 

[cabragg]

Good for you
But people here are not that dumb
And, by the way, what is your explanation that my XR, with button shaking all iPhone, (exactly how I’m shooting with the 13pm), delivers sharp photos, when 13pm is blurry?
You are OK with that issue, than what are you doing here? Zero help, only that “I am good at photo, you are not”

Try to photo people, not trees, maybe you’ll discover something interesting for yourself

I sadly returned my 13 pro max because of the reasons stated in this thread and went back to my 11 pro max. I only discovered this thread after returning my 13 pro max.

 

[AlGardner]

I sadly returned my 13 pro max because of the reasons stated in this thread and went back to my 11 pro max. I only discovered this thread after returning my 13 pro max.

Too bad I was reading only reviews but not googling “camera problems”, but, there was never such a thing!((

I bought it from authorized reseller, and just return it as it works properly is not possible, until to prove it is broken.
I’m not sure service managers in the shop will recognize it as the iPhone issue, but I’ll try it
And after that - visit service center as well.

 

[ToddH]

Good for you
But people here are not that dumb
And, by the way, what is your explanation that my XR, with button shaking all iPhone, (exactly how I’m shooting with the 13pm), delivers sharp photos, when 13pm is blurry?
You are OK with that issue, than what are you doing here? Zero help, only that “I am good at photo, you are not”

Try to photo people, not trees, maybe you’ll discover something interesting for yourself

LOL, ok, here is a person.

A heavy crop with 1x camera (250% crop)

Looks great to me.

 

[golfnut1982]

Sorry, but for me, I'm NOT shooting in RAW, or using Halide or buying a different camera app or post processing for a Christmas ornament pic, vacation pic, job site pic or quick pic of a family member with happy smile opening a present. No way am I wasting my time post editing/post processing, uploading this HUGE RAW file to iCloud or any other nonsense just to take a photo. Apple should just add a couple more toggles to shut off some of the baked in processing to suit the users preference. I have been real happy with my photos on my iPhone 13 Pro. At times I also can't believe the camera quality out of the heic format as well.

 

[ToddH]

Sorry, but for me, I'm NOT shooting in RAW, or using Halide or buying a different camera app or post processing for a Christmas ornament pic, vacation pic, job site pic or quick pic of a family member with happy smile opening a present. No way am I wasting my time post editing, uploading this HUGE RAW file to iCloud or any other nonsense just to take a photo. Apple should just add a couple more toggles to shut off some of the baked in processing to suit the users preference. I have been real happy with my photos on my iPhone 13 Pro. At times I also can't believe the camera quality out of the heic format as well.

Wow!! Not much ambition with your photography! Not willing to try new things or learn? Whats with the hate speech? Sorry but there isn’t a magic camera out there. I remember back in the 80’s when the point and shoot was popular, they were referred to PHD (“push here dummy”) cameras because everyone used them in full auto or program mode and not Using any other modes in the camera menu. I’m not calling anymore a dummy here so don’t get offended. It’s just what I remember back in the day. Photography is an art, I understand if you just want to raise and shoot without thinking, but you’ll always get a photo but with average results. When Apple releases a new iPhone and they show off the new photos during the keynote, those photos were taken by pros, not just someone off the street they want to use photographers to push the camera to its limits and bring out the highest quality possible. I think you all may be expecting too much from the default iPhone camera and with all of the complaining and stabs at Apple, I guess I just thought that most of you would look for a way to make your photos better and try something different. I mean that’s what you normally do with other things in every day life isn’t it? If certain things don’t work good for you, you find a way to make it better. Also I think Apple adds these new features like styles and hdr etc to help those that aren’t familiar with photography and light get better photos. But hey, if educating yourselves about photography is not your thing, I understand. However if you never try at getting better photos, you’ll just keep getting the same results..

 

[Wizec]

Sorry, but for me, I'm NOT shooting in RAW, or using Halide or buying a different camera app or post processing for a Christmas ornament pic, vacation pic, job site pic or quick pic of a family member with happy smile opening a present. No way am I wasting my time post editing/post processing, uploading this HUGE RAW file to iCloud or any other nonsense just to take a photo. Apple should just add a couple more toggles to shut off some of the baked in processing to suit the users preference. I have been real happy with my photos on my iPhone 13 Pro. At times I also can't believe the camera quality out of the heic format as well.

I agree. iPhone cameras should work well as a point and shoot solution for the masses. They are not mirrorless or DSLR, and shouldn’t require the babysitting/training that those devices require.

I’m not a professional, but I bought a Canon DSLR, read the book cover to cover, watched tons of YouTube tutorials from professionals, bought a tripod and shoe mount flash, an expensive lens and took hundreds of pictures. With the exception of some outdoor pics of still subjects that turned out well, I was immensely disappointed in the DSLR.

My iPhone 11 Pro/12 Pro and now 13 Pro beat the pants off the Canon DSLR in moderate to well lit indoor scenes, and are almost identical in outdoor settings.

I’m positive that a professional could take my DSLR and get as-good or better pictures than I can with my iPhone, but at the end of the day, photography is not my day job, and I invested/wasted too much time as it is on the DSLR. I feel that I would have been much, much better off buying a high end point and shoot single function camera like a Fujifilm X100V

All that being said, I do expect, and receive, very good point and shoot functionality out of my iPhone 13 Pro camera. I wonder if some of the people on this thread literally have defective camera hardware and should exchange their phones. Especially those touting their XS/XR photos as being better than the 13 Pro. I used a XS for years, as did my wife and now my daughters. I did some side-by-side tests of the XS camera with the iPhone 11 Pro and the quality upgrade was amazing. I have had an occasional odd-looking photo (green screen effect) when trying to take an indoor shot with the 3x zoom on the 13 Pro, but by and large I’m super happy with my photos.

 

[Pandyone]

But the iOS version is the same across the board, so it can’t be a software issue on the iPhone.

But that is not how software and hardware bugs works. So if some users reports bugs in say Safari, Apple could just respond “nah, iOS is the same on all devices and flawless, you’re using it wrong”?
Maybe it is problems related to different batches, both with the cameras and other hardware, and to how the software is working with it.

 

[golfnut1982]

Wow!! Not much ambition with your photography! Not willing to try new things or learn? Whats with the hate speech? Sorry but there isn’t a magic camera out there. I remember back in the 80’s when the point and shoot was popular, they were referred to PHD (“push here dummy”) cameras because everyone used them in full auto or program mode and not Using any other modes in the camera menu. I’m not calling anymore a dummy here so don’t get offended. It’s just what I remember back in the day. Photography is an art, I understand if you just want to raise and shoot without thinking, but you’ll always get a photo but with average results. When Apple releases a new iPhone and they show off the new photos during the keynote, those photos were taken by pros, not just someone off the street they want to use photographers to push the camera to its limits and bring out the highest quality possible. I think you all may be expecting too much from the default iPhone camera and with all of the complaining and stabs at Apple, I guess I just thought that most of you would look for a way to make your photos better and try something different. I mean that’s what you normally do with other things in every day life isn’t it? If certain things don’t work good for you, you find a way to make it better. Also I think Apple adds these new features like styles and hdr etc to help those that aren’t familiar with photography and light get better photos. But hey, if educating yourselves about photography is not your thing, I understand. However if you never try at getting better photos, you’ll just keep getting the same results..

No hate speech here, and I ACTUALLY like the camera system in my iPhone. Not sure why you would say those things about me trying or assume I'm not willing to learn something new tho...

That post was an opinion of mine and possibly what some or most people may be thinking. Just like yours is. I don't hate Apple. Apple is helping fund my retirement someday . I have plenty ambition with my photography. I've been using Canon's, Nikon's and iPhones for years. I'm also quite good at it. My daughter is even better.

 

[AlGardner]

Studied Dxomark review of 13 pro…
Crap. Same blur there, at least on tele lens - girls eye pic. Why are such high ranks with such poor level of photo?

But! No way I can achieve such great level of details with camera app.
Both pictures are from Dxomark page review
Here is full size of the guy’s face photo: https://cdn.dxomark.com/wp-content/...ackground_AppleiPhone13Pro_DxOMark_05-00.jpeg

 

[ToddH]

No hate speech here, and I ACTUALLY like the camera system in my iPhone. Not sure why you would say those things about me trying or assume I'm not willing to learn something new tho...

That post was an opinion of mine and possibly what some or most people may be thinking. Just like yours is. I don't hate Apple. Apple is helping fund my retirement someday . I have plenty ambition with my photography. I've been using Canon's, Nikon's and iPhones for years. I'm also quite good at it. My daughter is even better.

Ok.. I guess it came across wrong. I think the camera is great. I also think because of the larger pixels on the 12mp 1x camera sensor reduces some resolution of distant objects. My full frame Nikon D3 had the same issues. A larger high megapixel sensor will always be better. I just like to share photos with other iPhone photographers because it’s fun, we can challenge each other, encourage one another etc. I currently use the Sony A7RIII but I prefer my iPhone unless I have a paid gig of course. The iPhone 14 is rumored to have a 45mp sensor. I hope that’s true. It’s darn near past time for Apple to upgrade the size of their sensors, it took Nikon several years to catch up to Canon to get a 36mp sensor. I’m getting tired of 12mp.

 

[DRapp]

I agree. iPhone cameras should work well as a point and shoot solution for the masses. They are not mirrorless or DSLR, and shouldn’t require the babysitting/training that those devices require.

I’m not a professional, but I bought a Canon DSLR, read the book cover to cover, watched tons of YouTube tutorials from professionals, bought a tripod and shoe mount flash, an expensive lens and took hundreds of pictures. With the exception of some outdoor pics of still subjects that turned out well, I was immensely disappointed in the DSLR.

My iPhone 11 Pro/12 Pro and now 13 Pro beat the pants off the Canon DSLR in moderate to well lit indoor scenes, and are almost identical in outdoor settings.

I’m positive that a professional could take my DSLR and get as-good or better pictures than I can with my iPhone, but at the end of the day, photography is not my day job, and I invested/wasted too much time as it is on the DSLR. I feel that I would have been much, much better off buying a high end point and shoot single function camera like a Fujifilm X100V

All that being said, I do expect, and receive, very good point and shoot functionality out of my iPhone 13 Pro camera. I wonder if some of the people on this thread literally have defective camera hardware and should exchange their phones. Especially those touting their XS/XR photos as being better than the 13 Pro. I used a XS for years, as did my wife and now my daughters. I did some side-by-side tests of the XS camera with the iPhone 11 Pro and the quality upgrade was amazing. I have had an occasional looking photo (green screen effect) when trying to take an indoor shot with the 3x zoom on the 13 Pro, but by and large I’m super happy with my photos.

What Canon DLSR camera were you shooting with? The 13 Pro may produce some really nice images for an iPhone but there is no way it’s going to outperform the majority of DSLR cameras being used for wildlife, sports, and studio portrait work.

 

[Wizec]

What Canon DLSR camera were you shooting with? The 13 Pro may produce some really nice images for an iPhone but there is no way it’s going to outperform the majority of DSLR cameras being used for wildlife, sports, and studio portrait work.

Canon T6 Rebel.

Don’t misunderstand; I’m certain that in the right hands the T6 would outperform the iPhone in most situations. It did outperform the iPhone for me in outdoor settings, but not by enough to make it worth lugging around. Also, its video capabilities were atrocious.

What I was trying to put across was that after spending around $1,200 on the camera and accessories and studying photography for over 6 months, I failed - not the camera. It was a bad investment for me, a photography enthusiast. Not a professional, not an amateur, just a simple end-user who wants portability and good shots in reasonable situations.

I was also pointing out that my iPhones, since the 11 Pro, have given me very good photos in most situations with few exceptions; leaps and bounds better than our XS/XR cameras. In my family and extended family we have had around 10 XS/XR phones and comparing shots with those of us who have now upgraded to the 11/12/13, the quality improvement is very noticeable.

I just wonder if the users on the 13 Pro getting consistently poor shots might want to look at getting their devices exchanged.

Hope that helps. ?

 

[liudasbar123]

Does anyone know if it is possible to export taken Lightroom app photos instantly to phone gallery? Not like export from Lightroom galery to phone gallery but skipping the Lightroom gallery part?

I want to use Lightroom as my main camera but exporting flow is quite time consuming.

 

[TL24]

Not sure what’s changed but I’ve been getting much better results from my shots. I’ve been on iOS BETA’s for as long as I can remember so I’ve always submitted feedbacks on camera quality.

 

[tedley]

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Not sure what’s changed but I’ve been getting much better results from my shots. I’ve been on iOS BETA’s for as long as I can remember so I’ve always submitted feedbacks on camera quality.

Nice shot! Great detail and not over processed. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Is this shot with the stock camera app? Is this a jpg, heic, or pro raw?

 

[TL24]

Nice shot! Great detail and not over processed. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Is this shot with the stock camera app? Is this a jpg, heic, or pro raw?

Stock camera app, HEIC.

I’ve found that Rich Warm (Tone: -19 and Warmth: 10) gives me the best shot each and every single time as far as colors, color temperature and exposure goes.

 

[tedley]

Stock camera app, HEIC.

I’ve found that Rich Warm (Tone: -19 and Warmth: 10) gives me the best shot each and every single time as far as colors, color temperature and exposure goes.

I was hoping to hear that. This is really encouraging. Thanks for the response!

 

[AlGardner]

Stock camera app, HEIC.

I’ve found that Rich Warm (Tone: -19 and Warmth: 10) gives me the best shot each and every single time as far as colors, color temperature and exposure goes.

you know, looks better.

And I was kind of obsessed with this thing, and figured out: autofocus is slow and no more smart, as before.
even if it detected face, you must tap on it to force focus there. If there are some objects between you and person/whatever you want to photo, than with high probability it will focus on the closest object.

Do not put fingers anywhere around the cameras. This LiDAR tech (I’m assuming it based on my tests) is “wide angle”, and fingers near the camera may lead to autofocus errors too.

Tele lens is bad. With Lightroom, on the bright sun without any post processing, shutter speed 1/1000, pine tree from 5 meters is blurry, so no point to use it for autofocus, but only to remove baked smartHDR and denoise.

 

[darkheroz]

13pro, stock app, raw

 

[AlGardner]

13pro, stock app, raw

Postprocessing is baked in the stock app raw
Photo with the bird - focus is behind it, seems to me

 

[darkheroz]

Mhm, I know and take in mind that I tapped on it before shoot !

 

[AlGardner]

Mhm, I know and take in mind that I tapped on it before shoot !

That what I was noticing too. When the object is relatively small, it can still focus on the background.

1-st from XR
Second from 13pm

Which is better? Maybe I’m wrong, but for me XR definitely better, and color (a bit green, but ok), and sharpness

Took approximately 10 shots, same result.

But! If I put this vase close to the wall - 13pm slightly beats XR. Thanks to LiDAR ??‍♂️

 

[mainemini]

Does anyone know if it is possible to export taken Lightroom app photos instantly to phone gallery? Not like export from Lightroom galery to phone gallery but skipping the Lightroom gallery part?

I want to use Lightroom as my main camera but exporting flow is quite time consuming.

Same issue with this beginner using Pixelmator Photo, a Lightroom competitor.

Back to original photo quality issue, based on this thread, I'm guessing Apple failed to tweak the camera app for the new sensors and hardware in the 13 pro but don't see it as a big problem to buy and use ProCamera or Halide until they sort it out.

Buying new models always has risks and the cost of third party apps is very little compared to the price of the phone. Submit feedback to Apple when you see problems and return the phone if it's a big deal to you.