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AlGardner

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Just found another “processing magic”:

Here are the same photo, shot in ProRAW. First is before editing, second is just with slightly adjusted exposure-to force iPhone to update picture. Both fragments are with maximum zoom which photos app allows.
Somehow after editing all small details just were removed… that’s unacceptable. Seems, I’m done with the proRAW for now…
 

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trsdvg

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I am just curios why this issues is ignored, even on the Apple forums there is a lot of noise related to the bad 13Pro cameras.
haha man, there admins regularly clean constructive comment and stay comments that reduce this problem to a ridiculous level of subjective perception of some users
 

iStorm

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Honestly, this has been a topic every single year. Search the web for bad camera or bad pictures + iPhone model...you'll find tons of posts and complaints for that particular phone.
 
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crshbndct

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Honestly, this has been a topic every single year. Search the web for bad camera or bad pictures + iPhone model...you'll find tons of posts and complaints for that particular phone.
That may be true, but this is the first time I've upgraded a phone from one that is 4+ years old, and then had to go back to the older phone because the new one is just overall such a terrible phone. I have been using my old Galaxy note 9 for photos instead of my new phone because I can't use the photos the new one takes. 1 out of 5 photos works properly and then the pictures are truly astounding, but for general use, the camera is absolute junk. It is hard to get you kids or pets to repeat whatever funny thing they just did(that you were trying to get a photo of) so that you can play the Photo enhancement AI Lottery.
 

Guacamole

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Honestly, this has been a topic every single year. Search the web for bad camera or bad pictures + iPhone model...you'll find tons of posts and complaints for that particular phone.
coming from a 6s plus, I was expecting something much better from the 13Pro. My old phone still takes more natural looking photos and that's a shame
 

AlGardner

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coming from a 6s plus, I was expecting something much better from the 13Pro. My old phone still takes more natural looking photos and that's a shame
Shame is to scream in the advertisements and paid reviews about amazing photo quality.
That’s our lesson. It was expensive.
I’ll never buy anything else without trying it myself
 

ToddH

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Oh… I really want to avoid that. Carrying two phones with me?… ((
But you’ve got a point, actually…

Regarding your photos - this scenes are hard to compare
My main complaints are about messing with details on hairs, and fabric texture from the close to medium distance.

But the second photo missing details in the shadows. It is the way 13pro processing, which also annoys me.

Keep in mind that ultra wide and tele sensors are cheap and in poor and night lighting conditions produces garbage photos.
Also it affects the video, try to capture one in the room with couple of lamps on. Switch between ultra wide and wide (main) camera. Notice the difference just in one video.
If you like video then you should check out FilmicPro so you can have full control over your cameras while shooting video. With FilmicPro, you set your iso and shutter and those stay there locked in place. The default camera on the iPhone will continually adjust for iso and exposure compensation and has limited control. Third party apps for the cameras really are the best way to go for full control over your photography. It’s the best way for me to use my iPhone camera and have it feel like a DSLR.
 

crshbndct

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It’s the best way for me to use my iPhone camera and have it feel like a DSLR.
Thing is, I don't want it to feel like a DSLR. Even the most complicated DSLR's have an "Auto" mode that you can use for just taking random snaps of things.

In times past, I could just set it to "Photo" in the default app, which is the only one that integrates properly with the phone, and take a decent picture. I can install an app to unlock DSLR type features, but for everyday stuff, standard apps are easier.

Now I cannot have that integration. I don't have a shortcut on the lockscreen anymore, I can't switch into the camera from iMessage anymore, etc. It feels like the days of early Android, when nothing worked with anything else on the system.

I paid for Halide for a 1 month trial, and meant to get round to trying it, but I found that I just never got round to using it, since I often ended up just using whatever came up and then being disappointed with the AI Picture lottery. The lack of integration made it such that it rarely got used. When I did remember to use it instead of the default app, the results were better, but still not incredible. I did get the occasional astounding picture, but for every one of those, there are 10s of terrible oil paintings in my camera roll.

Not that anyone cares, but I think I am going to consign this to the "bad mistake" box and buy an S22 Ultra instead. Apple just really dropped the ball on this one. I've also changed my opinions on several phone reviewers. Not a single one of them mentioned any of this, and that was with pre-release iOS 15, not the iOS 15.3 that we are on now.

I stuck with this POS phone for nearly 4 months waiting for it to improve with software, but so far it is just bad.
 

AlGardner

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Thing is, I don't want it to feel like a DSLR. Even the most complicated DSLR's have an "Auto" mode that you can use for just taking random snaps of things.

In times past, I could just set it to "Photo" in the default app, which is the only one that integrates properly with the phone, and take a decent picture. I can install an app to unlock DSLR type features, but for everyday stuff, standard apps are easier.

Now I cannot have that integration. I don't have a shortcut on the lockscreen anymore, I can't switch into the camera from iMessage anymore, etc. It feels like the days of early Android, when nothing worked with anything else on the system.

I paid for Halide for a 1 month trial, and meant to get round to trying it, but I found that I just never got round to using it, since I often ended up just using whatever came up and then being disappointed with the AI Picture lottery. The lack of integration made it such that it rarely got used. When I did remember to use it instead of the default app, the results were better, but still not incredible. I did get the occasional astounding picture, but for every one of those, there are 10s of terrible oil paintings in my camera roll.

Not that anyone cares, but I think I am going to consign this to the "bad mistake" box and buy an S22 Ultra instead. Apple just really dropped the ball on this one. I've also changed my opinions on several phone reviewers. Not a single one of them mentioned any of this, and that was with pre-release iOS 15, not the iOS 15.3 that we are on now.

I stuck with this POS phone for nearly 4 months waiting for it to improve with software, but so far it is just bad.
But are you sure S22 ultra will be better? Same reviews are for those)
I think now all the pictures gonna be the same unnatural with fake colors and lights/shadows pictures, since it soooo goood for the reviews and small social media stuff. Nobody cares about how it looks in reality. All want fancy pictures. So we are in minority of the customers.
 
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ToddH

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Thing is, I don't want it to feel like a DSLR. Even the most complicated DSLR's have an "Auto" mode that you can use for just taking random snaps of things.

In times past, I could just set it to "Photo" in the default app, which is the only one that integrates properly with the phone, and take a decent picture. I can install an app to unlock DSLR type features, but for everyday stuff, standard apps are easier.

Now I cannot have that integration. I don't have a shortcut on the lockscreen anymore, I can't switch into the camera from iMessage anymore, etc. It feels like the days of early Android, when nothing worked with anything else on the system.

I paid for Halide for a 1 month trial, and meant to get round to trying it, but I found that I just never got round to using it, since I often ended up just using whatever came up and then being disappointed with the AI Picture lottery. The lack of integration made it such that it rarely got used. When I did remember to use it instead of the default app, the results were better, but still not incredible. I did get the occasional astounding picture, but for every one of those, there are 10s of terrible oil paintings in my camera roll.

Not that anyone cares, but I think I am going to consign this to the "bad mistake" box and buy an S22 Ultra instead. Apple just really dropped the ball on this one. I've also changed my opinions on several phone reviewers. Not a single one of them mentioned any of this, and that was with pre-release iOS 15, not the iOS 15.3 that we are on now.

I stuck with this POS phone for nearly 4 months waiting for it to improve with software, but so far it is just bad.
OK, I understand your decision and feelings. But the iPhone 13 Pro max/pro still is voted the best camera on the market. I saw a review on the S 22 and it’s processor speed and they said it comes nowhere close to the A15 chip. So I guess take that in mind. I’ve also personally spoken to several people that have the S 21 and they mention even though the camera is pretty decent, but the camera software downright sucks they said. So at least if you go that route you’ll have 14 days I believe two decide if you want to keep the galaxy or not.
I am sorry that the iPhone 13 pro series has let you down as a default camera and simple point-and-shoot. I think it works great and I love the results mainly because I shoot raw. The JPEG format for me is just too compressed. Everything is a ProRAW for me and that’s the way I like it I don’t speak for anyone else. I have been a photographer for a long time and I want to get the best results possible out of my iPhone which means going around just general point and shoot situations. I take my time with each photo and make sure the highlights are not overexposed, make sure my shadows aren’t too dark little stuff like that that I pay attention to that most others do not. So let us know what you decide, thanks for your reply.
 
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babyexercise

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Just buy S22 Ultra or Pixel 6 Pro if you think iPhone photos suck, what is the point to keep discussing while Apple would not change their design.
 

ToddH

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Clearly all reviews are paid for and biased. I can't trust any review after the 13 Pro Camera flop. This camera is unusable for anything else than instagram beautified pictures.
That’s a pretty extreme opinion you got there. If it’s that bad you need to get an exchange. I have two iPhone 13 Pro Max iPhones that are approximately four months apart and they are both equivalent with their camera quality. I get such great results out of mine mainly because I shoot ProRAW and I use third-party apps with raw, And I do use the default camera as well for night mode and general shots and it still looks great. I was at the AT&T store earlier today and looked at the new S 22 ultra and it felt so cheap in my hand because the whole thing is plastic. I wasn’t really impressed with the camera system either. Of course all I had to shoot was stuff inside the store that was enough for me to make a determination of how well the cameras work in JPEG mode.

How many friends do you have nearby that have the 13 Pro or promax? Any family members with the same phone? Get with him and do some comparisons…
 

phrehdd

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OK, I understand your decision and feelings. But the iPhone 13 Pro max/pro still is voted the best camera on the market. I saw a review on the S 22 and it’s processor speed and they said it comes nowhere close to the A15 chip. So I guess take that in mind. I’ve also personally spoken to several people that have the S 21 and they mention even though the camera is pretty decent, but the camera software downright sucks they said. So at least if you go that route you’ll have 14 days I believe two decide if you want to keep the galaxy or not.
I am sorry that the iPhone 13 pro series has let you down as a default camera and simple point-and-shoot. I think it works great and I love the results mainly because I shoot raw. The JPEG format for me is just too compressed. Everything is a ProRAW for me and that’s the way I like it I don’t speak for anyone else. I have been a photographer for a long time and I want to get the best results possible out of my iPhone which means going around just general point and shoot situations. I take my time with each photo and make sure the highlights are not overexposed, make sure my shadows aren’t too dark little stuff like that that I pay attention to that most others do not. So let us know what you decide, thanks for your reply.
Samsung's offering (S 22 and previous Galaxy models) might lag in power behind the iPhone but often had more RAM. Pure "power" doesn't always equate to being better or having superior performance with particular apps or the capacity to mutli-task.

If I were to go to Youtube for S 22 v iPhone 13 Pro, there would be strong cases made for each of them. Slightly more "reviews" favour the S 22 for photo images.

Below is a "snap shot" taken with an S 10 which is inferior to the S 22 as far as photo capabilities. It is not a great image but given the really challenging conditions (small opening in the clouds illuminating the immediate area), it didn't require a bunch of bells and whistles or a more powerful processor or being call the "best camera on the market."
 

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catean

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How many friends do you have nearby that have the 13 Pro or promax? Any family members with the same phone? Get with him and do some comparisons…
Unfortunately my wife has an iPhone 13 Pro, she is a graphic designer, and she has the same opinion. She had an XS before who took better focused, more natural and less grainy pictures.
 

ringomainichi

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I don't have a shortcut on the lockscreen anymore
You can add a widget so you can have quick access to 3rd party camera apps.
To add a widget:
Swipe right until you get the widget/search screen. Scroll down to the bottom and tap edit.
Tap the + icon on the upper left. Search available widgets and select one. Tap add widget.
Position it how you want it, and tap done.
Now, when the phone is off, press the power button or tap the screen.
Swipe right. Tap the camera app widget you want. App will open (if face id is working.)
Take picture.
Example below with widgets for Halide, ProCamera, and Camera +2.
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ToddH

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Unfortunately my wife has an iPhone 13 Pro, she is a graphic designer, and she has the same opinion. She had an XS before who took better focused, more natural and less grainy pictures.
Hmmm. Do you mostly use jpeg only? Do you get the same results with third party apps like Reeflex, or Halide, or CameraM? Halide just got a big update today and I’m enjoying the image quality. These samples (Halide MKII) were taken in ProRAW and with the 3x camera. Lightroom mobile edits.

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A 350% zoom or crop of the above image.

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MacLappy

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Clearly all reviews are paid for and biased. I can't trust any review after the 13 Pro Camera flop. This camera is unusable for anything else than instagram beautified pictures.

I am sorry you feel that way, on the other hand I do share the same sentiments as these reviewers. The iPhone does try to produce consistently good, balance pictures across the entire camera system while also being the best video capture smartphone currently available.

I am wondering if you have tired the array of third party apps that have been recommended on this very thread, some of them are surprisingly good, if you enjoy tinkering with your photos and such. (Big shout out to everyone who have been sharing so many useful tips on apps and techniques, especially Todd.)

Unfortunately, in real life, we don’t always have time to plan for a shot, sometime life happens and we want to capture that moment as quickly and hopefully as well as we can.

My recent visits to some local exhibits are prime examples of that.

If I want to finish viewing the entire exhibit before backache sets in, I generally have to keep moving forward without spending too much time at each individual display. For me that is about 5hrs of standing and walking, I am unfortunately old and obese.
Besides with social distancing, we actually have to take turns at each location so really the sense of needing to hurry off so that others have an opportunity to view said exhibit is quite real.

Meaning there really isn’t as much time to switch between apps, pause and plan, decide between formats and such. Just point and shoot and go.
For situations like that the native camera app is my go to app because I can access it right from the lock screen, granted I do take mostly videos but for the few photos I occasionally take I am pretty happy with the results.

Here is a unedited marco shot of some Jellyfish, personally if I had the time to fiddle around I would never have chosen to digital zoom in. But for what it is I am pretty happy with the results.


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For this unedited photo of a bubble-bee dart frog, I pressed on the 3x button but it defaulted to the wide camera, choosing once again to digital zoom, rather than use the telephoto. I could have covered the lens of the wide camera, thereby forcing telephoto but was pleasantly surprised by the results.


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For this edited shot of a green anaconda, I was hoping not to digitally zoom, unfortunately it was too far away, as such while it was using the telephoto lens, there was also digital zoom involved.

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In all the above situations, I was not able to pull off the ideal shot, admittedly mostly due to feeling self-pressured, as I did not want to keep others waiting in line.
Had I the time, I would have tinker and waited for the perfect angle. In spite of that, the photos turn out reasonable well, for some effortless point and shoot, HEIF photos.

I think that’s what the iPhone native camera app is tuned for. The casual photographer that values ease of use above all else.

While not prefect, the iPhone does try to produce consistently good, balanced photos across the different lens, effortlessly.
I may not always agree with the way they do it but for how quick, easy and effortless it is, the results are pretty good.
 
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