I agree, I think Apple massively underestimated how closely people will be inspecting photos from the new devices.
Just pray it’s sorted in software if not, there’ll be a lot of skeptics about come the next iPhone launch.
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I agree, I think Apple massively underestimated how closely people will be inspecting photos from the new devices.
Just pray it’s sorted in software if not, there’ll be a lot of skeptics about come the next iPhone launch.
Unfortunately, this seem to be the case.
Case in point, this one uploaded to the iPhone 13 Pro Pictures thread:
The good news is, I do believe this is 100% correctable with software, the hardware is there and the RAW results and HEIC's from Halide show it. It's just a combination of letting folks shoot with the actual camera module they think they are and tweaking the DNF/sharpening. Small sensors all have flaws and limitations, but running it through processing akin to Remini every time is over the top.
It's insane to me that you pay extra for the Telephoto lens and Apple's camera app doesn't even use it for what it's meant for.
I suspected as much and tested proraw vs jpg and while it seems like there are differences they are not drastic like I have on my dslr. I for one was not 100% buying the 13pm for the telephoto and knew it would be my least used. But for what I have seen from my testing the 3x does decent in portrait mode. Outside of that pretty much rubbish.
So is there a point to really use proraw? I am not worried about the file size with the 512gb. The biggest reason I got the PM was the display and battery. Yes the cameras are good but only for a camera phone and their convenience factor.
Hopefully Apple takes a cue from Samsung and listens to the feedback. My wife got an S21 Ultra at the beginning of the year and the cameras were hot garbage (over-saturated, over-sharpened, little usability latitude). After months of software updates on that phone, the cameras are absolutely stunning. With that and the Pixel 6 looming, Apple better be listening. But, it seems apparent that Apple seems to be putting most of the effort into video, which has been and still is the class leader with no danger of losing that title anytime soon - but the snapshot crown has left the building.
ProRAW is not "true" RAW. It still will have some of Apple's baked in enhancements, but it at least gives you some latitude for adjustments that just aren't feasible for compressed JPEGs and HEICs, which is why over-processing makes the situation much worse. You can add sharpening and DNF if needed after the fact, but if the JPEG or HEIC has all of the over-processing already baked in, you're cooked. That's why pure RAW DNGs are desirable for some because they have ultimate control. As great as that is, 99% of people using iPhones don't want to do that.
Thanks and agree. Looks like I will be shooting in gimped raw just so I can have “some” control if needed.
Still getting used to night mode and while it works pretty good it is so odd holding camera still vs flash. In a way works brilliantly.
The camera settings are not optimal to keep last photo settings, especially the exposure one that keeps your last setting. I turned it off as I would rather adjust in post vs changing it every time on the phone. Without a light meter it seems rather dumb to even have it as a setting. I sure wish I also did not have to press the down arrow in top all the time to get to settings.
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Dammm was just about to ask if there was any improvement. Read the reviews of the pixel 6, wasn’t impressed with any of it apart from the magic eraser
What will it take for Apple to fix the processing?
Do we have to deal with this for a year?
My photos look like Bob Ross painted them.
Smudged.
No detail.
So bad.
Will MacRumors make a post about it?
I see such mundane things get their own articles. This has to be big enough to get Apples attention.
Do we have to deal with this for a year?
My photos look like Bob Ross painted them.
Smudged.
No detail.
So bad.
Will MacRumors make a post about it?
I see such mundane things get their own articles. This has to be big enough to get Apples attention.
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I suspect this is going to be the new normal as almost all the major players are gravitating towards it. Apple, Google, Samsung (to a lesser extent) and the other big players are going to process to pop for Instagram. It's a shame about the Pixel, I would've bet the farm that their amazing software algorithms + better hardware was going to push them way out in front.
Unfortunately, as long as phones are at the disadvantage of using these tiny sensors, this is going to be the case because outside of daylight, the cameras need a lot of hocus pocus to make the images even remotely usable. The sensors are just too small and the angle manufacturers are taking with making these gigantic 100 and 200MP sensors and binning them into 12MP with inflated pixel sizes is not the answer. Put photos up side-by-side of a binned 108MP shot from a S21U and a 20MP shot from a RX100 with a 1" sensor and the RX100 absolutely obliterates it. Luckily, I don't think we're far away from the 1" sensor in the smartphone, Sony just (sort-of) did it.
At the end of the day, I am mostly happy with what Apple is doing. If they just tone down their cartoonish processing, allow more user control over it and (hopefully) slap on a true 5x or 10x periscope lens in the near future, I would never have a wandering eye.
Is it a photo shot by wide camera? Or telephoto lens?
I mean as per the information show on photo apps, does it use a right lens to shoot this time?
Since it seems not everyone is experiencing the issue, I guess Apple wont confirm it and sites such as Macrumors might not even post about it. Hopefully Apple will fix it in an update, along with 3x not always choosing telephoto lens and HDR-issues.
And that is supposed to be a crop of the original image? Taken with which camera? Front, rear, if rear, which one?
Please paste some more non-cropped, non-zoomed full images to compare.
Except for those who rant against Apple products to gain similar clicks. The world’s just black and white for some…
Agreed. The processing delay has been there for me all through last year on my 12 PM so that's nothing new. I think people are more sensitive to it because of the other changes Apple has made this year. There's definitely more going on in the background with the 13 series and we have found a small subset of users who don't like the results.
Turning OFF HEIC will probably offer some relief and maybe the options for Apple ProRAW & ProRes (if you are unhappy with video capture.) Reduce what the phone is doing in the background (or saving memory to be able to do if you should choose)
In the end, there are undoubtedly additional software tweaks that Apple can make to their algorithms because that is where it all lies. Make the feedback submissions. Going into a store probably won't do any good because what you are expressing are preferences to how you'd like the photos to look. The Genius Bar associate may not have the same likes/dislikes as you. For example... I didn't see any issue with the pictures posted earlier of someone's Pug. Just looked like one had bokeh and the other was using multiple focus points to keep more of image in sharper focus as opposed to just the Pug's face area.
just my 4 & a half cents (2 for the opinion and another 2 1/2 for rising inflation 😀)
I don't see anything wrong the photos in post #1133. I've seen worse, so what am I missing?
Came across post #1097, and that one looks awful. It looks like water color painting or heavily photoshopped with effects...the leaves and grass, the bark on the tree, the deer, and the fence in the background. Yet, quite a few people liked it and nobody commented about it. I'd say this is happening quite a bit and most people just aren't noticing or care.
There are 2 main issues noticed so far, one is the water color effect that you saw on #1097 and that you can also see in the second squirrel in post #1024 or the in-plane picture in the post #951.
That seems to be a software bug of iOS choosing the wrong lens. We had hope that it would fixed sometime.
The other issue is the blurry, out of focus, wrong colors results (mainly from the wide camera) in circumstances that you would expect an infinite focus (outdoor, daylight pictures). Indoor, low light, close-ups seems to be performing well.
Like in the post #1133:
If you have other iPhone than the 13, you can simply try this in a park near you. In no way the grass that's right in front of the iPhone could be so blurred. The poster's text also blurred. Maybe 30 foot from the camera?
Now, iPhone 6S taken from inside a moving car...you can zoom and read considerably well the brand of the GPS antennas 🤷♂️
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