Really good review of the HTC One vs the GS4 AMOLED beats super LCD 3!

[Peterg2]

brian klug of anandtech says their review is bs. shot with not final firmware and their standby tests are bs as well. wouldnt give it too much thought. unprofessional review.

I am not quite sure where you think he states this. I regularly look through his twitter feed so can you tell me where?:

https://twitter.com/nerdtalker

 

[MRU]

but why would htc send a review site not final version firmware?you do know the htc one is about to ship and some people are getting them right

They probably had the phone a number of weeks.

HTC did update the camera firmware very recently indeed so new retail shipping orders will have different camera software / firmware version.

http://www.knowyourmobile.com/htc/htc-one/19815/htc-one-gets-new-firmware-improve-camera-performance

HTC has issued an update which solves apparent issues with the One's Ultrapixel camera

HTC has pushed out a firmware update for its One handset aimed at improving the performance of its Ultrapixel camera tech.

The HTC One has been creating major waves since it was announced back in February, with a feature-set that sounds almost too good to be true. The quad-core 1.7Ghz processor, 2GB RAM and super LCD3 capacitive touchscreen should be enough to help HTC make a real impact in Q3.

Initial reviews of the device and its new Ultrapixel technology noted camera performance that was less-than-impressive, prompting observers to note that maybe HTC had hit wide of the mark with its bold new camera tech.

Fortunately, anyone who was remaining reserved about what is an excellent device, due to its photographic prowess, or lack thereof, will be glad to hear that the problem was software related and that HTC has now rolled out an update to the One’s firmware which will address the issues before the devices even ship.

Reviews have noted how devices with the newer firmware are able to capture images that are visibly better, with higher levels of detail but it isn’t all sunshine and lollypops. The update also appears to detrimentally affect the device’s performance when using ISO 800, though the issue doesn’t apparently extend to ISO 400 and ISO 1600.

 

[skratch77]

Don't you think this review has that latest firmware?it was just done lol

 

[MRU]

I am not quite sure where you think he states this. I regularly look through his twitter feed so can you tell me where?:

https://twitter.com/nerdtalker

It's there alright

 

[MRU]

Don't you think this review has that latest firmware?it was just done lol

No, the review was just posted.. but it doesn't mean the photos were taken with new firmware just before the review was posted and I imagine the review took a good few days to compile, so the pictures could be more than a week old.

In fact opening the image in Aperture you can see when they were taken



20/03/2013 - so a full week ago.

 

[skratch77]

I don't get what he is talking about,the gs4 has a bigger battery so when not being used should give it a longer idle time.

anadtech also posted a iphone 5 battery test that I can not even come close to with my iphone.

 

[MRU]

I don't get what he is talking about,the gs4 has a bigger battery so when not being used should give it a longer idle time.

anadtech also posted a iphone 5 battery test that I can not even come close to with my iphone.

I guess his tests at anandtech are very different to the results the other site posted regarding standby time and he wants to know what variable/equation they used to compile that 'endurance time' which from his twitter feed seems to indicate wasn't just from a full charge and into standby, but some other equation on top to get this endurance score.


To be honest though if you've just bought a HTC one or a galaxy S4 who cares if it can be on standby 2-3 days. You've just spent lots of money on a lovely phone. Your going to be using it. As long as either phone lasts the day - so can be charged when user goes to bed, most folks will be happy.

 

[skratch77]

I guess his tests at anandtech are very different to the results the other site posted regarding standby time and he wants to know what variable/equation they used to compile that 'endurance time' which from his twitter feed seems to indicate wasn't just from a full charge and into standby, but some other equation on top to get this endurance score.


To be honest though if you've just bought a HTC one or a galaxy S4 who cares if it can be on standby 2-3 days. You've just spent lots of money on a lovely phone. Your going to be using it. As long as either phone lasts the day - so can be charged when user goes to bed, most folks will be happy.

Lets not forget the gs4 is running a newer version of android so it should have the latest battery saving tweaks vs 4.1 etc I know the nexus 4 got a boost on the latest update

 

[jrswizzle]

Lets not forget the gs4 is running a newer version of android so it should have the latest battery saving tweaks vs 4.1 etc I know the nexus 4 got a boost on the latest update

Wasn't 4.2 the software the N4 was on that caused the battery issue? (half fixed by 4.2.2)

 

[skratch77]

Wasn't 4.2 the software the N4 was on that caused the battery issue? (half fixed by 4.2.2)

idk from everything I saw the nexus 4 had thermal throttling and battery issues from the get go.

 

[MRU]

Lets not forget the gs4 is running a newer version of android so it should have the latest battery saving tweaks vs 4.1 etc I know the nexus 4 got a boost on the latest update

Exactly. So when HTC 'eventually' roll out 4.2.2 as they said a couple months after launch it'll be interesting to see standby time then too.

But general usage time between the two devices at the moment despite battery difference would indicate there is very little in it.



Outside of the HTC One v GS4 comparison.. What will be interesting is to see how the Snapdragon v Exynos 5 versions of the GS4 compare when it comes to battery and whether the big.little architecture does what they claim it to do.

 

[jrswizzle]

idk from everything I saw the nexus 4 had thermal throttling and battery issues from the get go.

Right, but since I got mine late I wasn't sure which software it started on.

 

[skratch77]

Exactly. So when HTC 'eventually' roll out 4.2.2 as they said a couple months after launch it'll be interesting to see standby time then too.

But general usage time between the two devices at the moment despite battery difference would indicate there is very little in it.



Outside of the HTC One v GS4 comparison.. What will be interesting is to see how the Snapdragon v Exynos 5 versions of the GS4 compare when it comes to battery and whether the big.little architecture does what they claim it to do.

I hate to tell you this because I know you really are thinking of getting the htc one but don't expect any updates from htc and most likely it wont get 4.2.2 for at least 6-8 months if it ever comes out.

The HTC incredible 4g that has pretty much the same specs(guts)as the gs3 still is on ice cream sandwich and people are pissed that htc has left them behind.

Just look at the htc one x and one x plus,htc has left those guys behind now that the newer htc phone is out and will def do the same in a few months

 

[jrswizzle]

I hate to tell you this because I know you really are thinking of getting the htc one but don't expect any updates from htc and most likely it wont get 4.2.2 for at least 6-8 months if it ever comes out.

The HTC incredible 4g that has pretty much the same specs(guts)as the gs3 still is on ice cream sandwich and people are pissed that htc has left them behind.

Just look at the htc one x and one x plus,htc has left those guys behind now that the newer htc phone is out and will def do the same in a few months

Do you not think HTC's focus on the One as its ONLY flagship of the year might cause them to move more quickly in updating?

I wouldn't necessarily rely on past history as a 100% indicator of something. By only releasing one flagship in 2013 they're changing prior strategy. Given the word is they've slimmed Sense 5 down, who knows? Maybe they will release 4.2.2 sooner than we think?

I'm finding it very hard to decide - though I have until September. The One is at the top of my list, but I'm anxious to see what the Phone X will look like. Then of course I could always stay with the Nexus line and use my upgrade to buy a new iPhone every year (two upgrades staggered is awesome )

Decisions!

 

[skratch77]

Do you not think HTC's focus on the One as its ONLY flagship of the year might cause them to move more quickly in updating?

I wouldn't necessarily rely on past history as a 100% indicator of something. By only releasing one flagship in 2013 they're changing prior strategy. Given the word is they've slimmed Sense 5 down, who knows? Maybe they will release 4.2.2 sooner than we think?

I'm finding it very hard to decide - though I have until September. The One is at the top of my list, but I'm anxious to see what the Phone X will look like. Then of course I could always stay with the Nexus line and use my upgrade to buy a new iPhone every year (two upgrades staggered is awesome )

Decisions!

Time will tell but I would not count on it,the only reason I knew about htc is from a family member that has the htc inc 4g and he came over the other day and mentioned he was still on ics and I was like damn,thats like over a year old lol

If htc wants to up there game they should start by updating all the people that invested into them so they want to buy htcs next new phone.I know for a fact that my cousin is not getting another htc phone because of this.

now take a look at Samsung,they have just pushed jelly bean 4.2.2 to there galaxy s2 phone!!! now that is caring for there users as that phone now is going on 3 years old

 

[Peterg2]

It's there alright

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You are quite correct. I simply overlooked it.

 

[Tinmania]

I love how a 0.2" difference qualifies as "significant" while the iPhone 5 is bashed for an increase of 0.5" as unusable and pointless....

I understand if you think 4" is still too small - but come on....its 0.2" between the One and GS4...not significant.

It's 0.3" not 0.2". Regardless the iPhone 5 was often bashed because it increased only the vertical size of the screen.




Mike

 

[MRU]

Just look at the htc one x and one x plus,htc has left those guys behind now that the newer htc phone is out and will def do the same in a few months

I had the HTC One X and the international model got JB late Nov/early Dec last year. Sim free international unlocked models aren't too bad for getting the updates to be honest. Still a lot longer than anyone would like, but yeah could be worse.

HTC have stated on-the-record that they are bringing Sense 5 to HTC One X, X+, S, SV, Butterfly etc...

HTC will be updating the HTC One X, HTC One X+, HTC One S and HTC Butterfly to bring you some of the software features that launched with the HTC One.

The news was confirmed by HTC on a Facebook post in response to a question from an HTC One X owner asking if Sense 5 was coming to last year’s flagship device.

The response from HTC was somewhat surprising.

"HTC will be offering upgrades to some of its existing devices in the next few months, including global variants of HTC One X, One X+, One S and the HTC Butterfly," it said.

"Also, note that some features enabled by the new HTC One hardware will not be available in the software updates."

You’ll note that HTC has used careful language here so as not to be misleading. The top devices of 2012 will get an update, but there’s no specific mention of Sense 5. The "global variants" comment means that this will probably include devices such as the HTC One XL too, but that's unconfirmed.

We've been in touch with HTC in the UK which has confirmed there are no additional details other than those included in the Facebook post. However, Android Police seems to have had more success, reporting that HTC has confirmed to the website that HTC Sense 5 will be coming to those named devices. In previous update cycles, HTC has used an incremental Sense version, a sort of half-way house between old and new.

Bringing things like Blink Feed to older devices works in HTC’s favour, because it’s the headline visual feature for 2013 and involves making a lot of deals, with a lot of content partners. Being able to roll that out to legacy devices make perfect sense.

Blink Feed also doesn’t place much demand on the power of the device, so should be silky smooth on all the devices listed. As Blink Feed operates around a different clock widget, we’d expect a facelift too, moving to Sense 5’s simpler visuals.

With that you can expect a change in the fonts used system-wide, as well the as simpler icons and the flexible app tray options, letting you make folders. Whether HTC will ditch the music hub, or apps like Locations and Footprints that are part of older Sense editions, we'll have to wait and see.

HTC also says that some features "enabled by the new HTC One hardware will not be available". This almost certainly refers to the Zoe Camera and some of the other smart shooting options.

The 4-megapixel sensor of the HTC One means there’s less data to crunch; doing the same thing with an 8-megapixel sensor would put an increased demand on the processor and the experience or the battery probably wouldn't hold up.

I'll never buy ANY android phone from a carrier - as carrier updates are an absolute joke on all of them, regardless of manufacturer.

My GS2 was on vodafone and that was stuck behind updates wise.

Only android phone that wasn't a total pain was the Galaxy Nexus - although when I got it it had a bug where it wouldn't allow calls to be made on our GSM network for over 4 weeks until Google actually rolled out an update to fix the issue. That was a total bunch of fun, new phone - not able to make calls.

So yeah, even Nexus devices are not impervious to serious launch issues.


I'll still have my iPhone 5 anyway. I just wish ALL manufacturers rolled out their updates like Apple does.

 

[lazard]

I love how a 0.2" difference qualifies as "significant" while the iPhone 5 is bashed for an increase of 0.5" as unusable and pointless....

I understand if you think 4" is still too small - but come on....its 0.2" between the One and GS4...not significant.

It's 0.3" difference between the S4 and the One...and even more when you take into account how much wasted space the One's on-screen buttons take up.

 

[Markyboy81]

I'm not so sure a software update can fix the fact that the HTC has less detail in its pictures. It's still going to be 4 megapixels, no matter how big these pixels are.
However, maybe the update will improve low light performance?

 

[Vegastouch]

Originally Posted by jrswizzle View Post
I love how a 0.2" difference qualifies as "significant" while the iPhone 5 is bashed for an increase of 0.5" as unusable and pointless....

I understand if you think 4" is still too small - but come on....its 0.2" between the One and GS4...not significant.

As mentioned it is 0.3" but the difference in what your talking about is Apple went from 3.5" to only 4" and the screen is still as narrow. Thats why it gets bashed.

 

[MRU]

I'm not so sure a software update can fix the fact that the HTC has less detail in its pictures. It's still going to be 4 megapixels, no matter how big these pixels are.
However, maybe the update will improve low light performance?

Yeah that's what I'm hoping that is low light performance is boosted. It's also meant to improve compression artefacts.

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It's 0.3" difference between the S4 and the One...and even more when you take into account how much wasted space the One's on-screen buttons take up.

The menu appearing is a legacy of old apps not updated to JB requirements/guidelines. But yeah annoying as hell.

HTC did have a menu option to allow you to map it to a long press on the back button on the pre-release handset software, but for some reason removed that option on the early retail software, I'm sure it is just a matter of time before they put it back into the system as an option. They did for the one X series, amd as it was there on pre-release we know it can be done....

Either way its a simple software fix.



Just reading XDA. The developer who has put the option back in by root, has info that points to it being a bug that has removed it by accident from retail software.

I am the one who made the mod to remove that menu button on the screen and reverted back the option to map it on the back button. Apparently it's just a bug and they did not remove it. So expect it to be fixed/back on the next standard update when the phone is already released globally.

And he explains how the bug worked and how he fixed it

Like I said I was the one who made that mod in the development section. Obviously I already know how it functions/why it's not showing up in the menu/why it's not working in the stock ROM. And the whole code was in there and intact. It was just not updated so it's not showing itself in the menu options.

If I translate the code in english language it goes like this.

Back menu option: Hey are you "HTC One-debug"?
HTC One: No I am "HTC One"
Back menu option: Sorry then you can't use me I'm only available on a device named "HTC One-debug" not "HTC One"

So what I did was

HTC One: Hi!
Back menu option: Enough talk! Just use me.

 

[roxxette]

What exactly is bs about the review? Are you surprised that a 13 mp camera takes better pictures then a 4? Or a faster over clocked chip set scores higher benchmarks and last but not least a bigger battery gets a longer standby time?

Lol my old 8mp sony ericcson takes better picture than any other phone, if you think megapixel means quality i suggest to get a grip......

Seriously overcloked chip and better battery life ? Nah 300mah is nothing to brag about

Anyway the real reviews are on xda forums, this phone is the bomb.

 

[Assault]

I love how a 0.2" difference qualifies as "significant" while the iPhone 5 is bashed for an increase of 0.5" as unusable and pointless....

I understand if you think 4" is still too small - but come on....its 0.2" between the One and GS4...not significant.

Measured diagonally, and screen ratio remains unchanged, yes it is significant.

Apple changed ratio's going from 3.49" to 3.99" with the iPhone 5, losing much needed real estate in favor of "being able to use it with one hand". IMO, Apple hand-dicapped the iPhone5 doing it the way they did.

 

[hyteckit]

Measured diagonally, and screen ratio remains unchanged, yes it is significant.

Apple changed ratio's going from 3.49" to 3.99" with the iPhone 5, losing much needed real estate in favor of "being able to use it with one hand". IMO, Apple hand-dicapped the iPhone5 doing it the way they did.

What?

Increasing the screen size from 3.49" to 3.99" and added extra vertical resolution on the 3.99" means you loss real estate?

I'm pretty sure if the screen size is bigger and the it has a higher resolution, it means it has more real estate.