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Lava Lamp Freak

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is this a joke? are you guys really that naïve

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No crap they are scaled,thats what Iv been tring to tell you people and just so you know,standard hd is1280x720 and it uses a 16:9 aspect ratio

standard full HD like on a bluray is 1080p and also uses the same ratio\

Im guessing you have never tried encoding videos to play in dvd players or never downloaded a torrent xvid or dvix file and looked at how they scale them to save space

The iPhone 5 is 16:9. There is something like a one line of pixels difference when you crunch the numbers, but it is still 16:9. What is happening in the background with that one line of pixels I don't know, but it isn't anything visible to the user. I've compared videos side by side and can't see a crop on top or bottom. One thing for sure is there are no black bars on anything I've watched.
 

skratch77

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You are clueless.

Lava Lamp Freak is right. "That is an app that hadn't been updated for the iPhone 5 at the time that video was made."

The youtube app shown in the video wasn't updated to take advantage of the new screen resolution. You can tell because the menu bar isn't at the top of the screen.

ok bud,keep telling people the iphone 5 will play full screen 720 and 1080p content in a 16:9 aspect ratio

Im done on this topic as some of you have no idea how resolution and aspect ratios work

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The iPhone 5 is 16:9. There is something like a one line of pixels difference when you crunch the numbers, but it is still 16:9. What is happening in the background with that one line of pixels I don't know, but it isn't anything visible to the user. I've compared videos side by side and can't see a crop on top or bottom. One thing for sure is there are no black bars on anything I've watched.

because you are not watching true 720p content

I hate to break it to you but movies are recorded in these full hd resolutions and that few lines you now kinda agree on will throw the whole aspect ratio out the window and that is why it uses black bars and scales it down so the movie keeps its true aspect ratio.The full content that plays on our phones is a 1136x640 resolution and that is why there are no black bars because its freaking cropped at the resolution and cropped to a 16:9 ratio
 

Lava Lamp Freak

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Thought somebody might say this. I wouldn't bother buying a 1080p screen phone - I know your conclusion already. It's going to look no different to the iPhone 5 screen and then you'll find a reason why the iPhone screen is, in fact, better.

Funny thing is, every review I've read claims that there is a difference between 720p screens and 1080p ones

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This also might ruin a few apple fanboys days

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-ga...firms-amoleds-can-finally-do-accurate-colors/

I'm really excited about the new color modes. I hope they make it through to the US models. I've been complaining about the saturation of AMOLED for years. Now it looks like color and pentile issues should be solved. I look forward to seeing it in person.

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ok bud,keep telling people the iphone 5 will play full screen 720 and 1080p content in a 16:9 aspect ratio

Im done on this topic as some of you have no idea how resolution and aspect ratios work

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because you are not watching true 720p content

I agree, it is not true 720p content because the screen isn't technically 720p. But it is just a technicality. In use you can't perceive a difference. You are not going to be able to see a difference in the details of a video between a 720p video played on the iPhone 5 and a Galaxy S3 side by side. You're getting caught up on numbers that aren't important because it is such a small difference it can only be measured with a calculator.

However, a Galaxy S4 with a 1080p screen playing a 1080p video next to the GS3 or the iPhone 5 playing the same video in 720p, the 1080p video on the GS4 will show MUCH more detail than the GS3 or iPhone 5.

Edit: You make it hard to respond to you when you edit so many times while I'm replying. First you said there were black bars. Now no black bars but crop. Please just pick up an iPhone 5 and watch a video.
 
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skratch77

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I'm really excited about the new color modes. I hope they make it through to the US models. I've been complaining about the saturation of AMOLED for years. Now it looks like color and pentile issues should be solved. I look forward to seeing it in person.

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I agree, it is not true 720p content because the screen isn't technically 720p. But it is just a technicality. In use you can't perceive a difference. You are not going to be able to see a difference in the details of a video between a 720p video played on the iPhone 5 and a Galaxy S3 side by side. You're getting caught up on numbers that aren't important because it is such a small difference it can only be measured with a calculator.

However, a Galaxy S4 with a 1080p screen playing a 1080p video next to the GS3 or the iPhone 5 playing the same video in 720p, the 1080p video on the GS4 will show MUCH more detail than the GS3 or iPhone 5.

Edit: You make it hard to respond to you when you edit so many times while I'm replying. First you said there were black bars. Now no black bars but crop. Please just pick up an iPhone 5 and watch a video.

I never said anything about how clear the pictures were on any phone,this was brought up about from someone posting about the 720p screen and I said well at least the gs3 or what ever cell we were talking about will play 720p content at full screen.

I posted a video of an iphone 5 playing true 720p source and a htc one x and it showed black bars,it has to to keep a 16:9 ratio or you can stretch it out to fill the screen but the people will look a little weird.
 

Lava Lamp Freak

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I never said anything about how clear the pictures were on any phone,this was brought up about from someone posting about the 720p screen and I said well at least the gs3 or what ever cell we were talking about will play 720p content at full screen.

I posted a video of an iphone 5 playing true 720p source and a htc one x and it showed black bars,it has to to keep a 16:9 ratio or you can stretch it out to fill the screen but the people will look a little weird.

I do understand now what you meant originally about there being a crop. There must be something happening behind the scenes to make up that difference in lines, even if it is just one line. I had never thought about it before so I was confused by your post when you said there was something being cropped. But like I said in my last post, it isn't something that you can see when comparing it to another device that has a 720p screen like the GS3. You can't see any missing or cropped content when comparing it side by side, so it doesn't really seem important. You are right, though. On a true 720p phone like the GS3 it isn't having to crop that one line or whatever it is that must be missing on the iPhone 5.

The videos you linked to, however, are just apps that hadn't been updated for the iPhone 5.
 

hyteckit

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ok bud,keep telling people the iphone 5 will play full screen 720 and 1080p content in a 16:9 aspect ratio

Im done on this topic as some of you have no idea how resolution and aspect ratios work

I actually know a lot about resolution and aspect ratios. The problem is you don't

You are the one who actually thinks I have to re-encode my 720p videos to play on my iPhone.


because you are not watching true 720p content

I hate to break it to you but movies are recorded in these full hd resolutions and that few lines you now kinda agree on will throw the whole aspect ratio out the window and that is why it uses black bars and scales it down so the movie keeps its true aspect ratio.The full content that plays on our phones is a 1136x640 resolution and that is why there are no black bars because its freaking cropped at the resolution and cropped to a 16:9 ratio

I hate to break it to you, but movies are filmed/recorded on film mostly. If they are recorded with a digital camera, they are mainly using 4k these days. Most movies aren't filmed in 16:9 either. Actually, not many movies are 16:9 aspect ratio since most movies are recorded on film. Most movies are 1.85:1, 2.35:1, or 2.40:1. If recorded in IMAX film, it would be around 1.43:1. The HDTV standard of 16:9 is 1.78:1.

720p isn't full HD. Full HD is a marketing term for 1080p.

720p and 1080p 16:9 aspect ratio is a ATSC HDTV standard. Not a movie recording standard. The 16:9 is adopted by HDTV makers and HDTV broadcasters.
 

jamojamo

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Feb 12, 2010
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Thought somebody might say this. I wouldn't bother buying a 1080p screen phone - I know your conclusion already. It's going to look no different to the iPhone 5 screen and then you'll find a reason why the iPhone screen is, in fact, better.

Funny thing is, every review I've read claims that there is a difference between 720p screens and 1080p ones

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This also might ruin a few apple fanboys days

http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-ga...firms-amoleds-can-finally-do-accurate-colors/

I am glad I looked at the link, I really like that HTC One screen!
 

daneoni

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Ditto. I'm glad HTC continued from where they left off on the One X
 
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hyteckit

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Cute. Ignore the other dimension. Head in the sand much?

I suppose a 5" iPhone 6, still the same old width, will be perfect too. Unless it is wider as well. Then of course THAT will be perfect lol.

The iPhone 5 screen is 16:9 aspect ratio.

You know, the aspect ratio Android fans love because it plays 16:9 movies at fullscreen.

Head in the sand much?
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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I actually know a lot about resolution and aspect ratios. The problem is you don't

You are the one who actually thinks I have to re-encode my 720p videos to play on my iPhone.




I hate to break it to you, but movies are filmed/recorded on film mostly. If they are recorded with a digital camera, they are mainly using 4k these days. Most movies aren't filmed in 16:9 either. Actually, not many movies are 16:9 aspect ratio since most movies are recorded on film. Most movies are 1.85:1, 2.35:1, or 2.40:1. If recorded in IMAX film, it would be around 1.43:1. The HDTV standard of 16:9 is 1.78:1.

720p isn't full HD. Full HD is a marketing term for 1080p.

720p and 1080p 16:9 aspect ratio is a ATSC HDTV standard. Not a movie recording standard. The 16:9 is adopted by HDTV makers and HDTV broadcasters.

Exactly.

Its the fallacy of many of these Android OEM's marketing - 1080p and 720p mean next to nothing as far as quality on smartphones. There is much more behind "retina" than "HD" as its currently defined (by those two resolutions).

I'd actually argue that the "less than 720p" iPhone 5 display looks better than your 1080p HDTV.....depending on how close you sit to it and how much you paid for it (refresh rates, size etc...).

Point being - the iPhone may not play movies in 720p, but it CAN and DOES play high-quality (high-definition) videos.
 

mib1800

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Exactly.

Its the fallacy of many of these Android OEM's marketing - 1080p and 720p mean next to nothing as far as quality on smartphones. There is much more behind "retina" than "HD" as its currently defined (by those two resolutions).

retina is just a marketing term as well. But apple chose the lower resolution screen for that matter. so in other words a 720p screen still beats the iphone "retina" in resolution. of course Iphone can get away with the much lower resolution because of the smaller screen size.

On Android moving to 1080p maybe it is more to do with chipset. You want to standardize a single chipset for your premium products. e,g Samsung may use the 1080p resolution for the whole range S4, Note3, Note/Tab 8.0/10 etc. The 1080p for S4 may not make a difference but on a Note3/8.0/10 it will make a lot of difference.

I think Apple made a mistake with the 640p resolution. If future iphone has a bigger screen (4.5-5in), then compare to Android the iphone screen at 640p will really suck big time. If Apple change the resolution then it will be another round of headache for developers and users may have to put up with black strips on the screen again.


I'd actually argue that the "less than 720p" iPhone 5 display looks better than your 1080p HDTV.....depending on how close you sit to it and how much you paid for it (refresh rates, size etc...).

Point being - the iPhone may not play movies in 720p, but it CAN and DOES play high-quality (high-definition) videos.

Iphone can play in 16:9 and maybe the clarity is the same as on a 720p screen BUT you forgot the most important factor that is iphone 4in screen sucks compared to 4.8/5in when viewing photo/video.
 

jrswizzle

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retina is just a marketing term as well. But apple chose the lower resolution screen for that matter. so in other words a 720p screen still beats the iphone "retina" in resolution. of course Iphone can get away with the much lower resolution because of the smaller screen size.

On Android moving to 1080p maybe it is more to do with chipset. You want to standardize a single chipset for your premium products. e,g Samsung may use the 1080p resolution for the whole range S4, Note3, Note/Tab 8.0/10 etc. The 1080p for S4 may not make a difference but on a Note3/8.0/10 it will make a lot of difference.

I think Apple made a mistake with the 640p resolution. If future iphone has a bigger screen (4.5-5in), then compare to Android the iphone screen at 640p will really suck big time. If Apple change the resolution then it will be another round of headache for developers and users may have to put up with black strips on the screen again.




Iphone can play in 16:9 and maybe the clarity is the same as on a 720p screen BUT you forgot the most important factor that is iphone 4in screen sucks compared to 4.8/5in when viewing photo/video.

I understand retina is a marketing term. But there is more science behind it than "HD".

If they make a bigger iPhone, the resolution won't be 640p. It will be whatever keeps the iPhone + at retina (likely they'll double it which would give a 4.8" ish Display something in the neighborhood of 500 PPI. The doubling (even though its overkill) would keep things easy on devs.

And the size is extremely subjective. I wouldn't say watching videos sucks on my iPhone, but of course a bigger screen is easier to see.
 
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