Other Remove the camera button from the 17 series

[kwikdeth]

Pretty much every review I've read of that Xiaomi phone have talked about how unwieldy that phone is due to the camera bump that's as thick as the phone itself. Literally impossible to use with one hand without it falling out of your hand due to the weight of the camera bump.

No amount of engineering will overcome the physics of light. You will *always* have to have a huge optical element to make use of a sensor that size.

 

[iPhone2019]

So don’t remove it. The iPhone needs a dedicated camera button, and has for 10 years at least.

It’s useless for taking photos. Did you watch Vadim in the video I posted?

 

[Chuckeee]

It’s useless as a camera button since the entire phone moves when pressing it.

Clickbait max tech YouTube video is not evidence

 

[Diorama]

It’s useless for taking photos. Did you watch Vadim in the video I posted?

I have my own fingers, my own eyes, and my own 16 Pro Max. I can use those to decide, not some youtuber who needs to feed the algorithm to feed his family.
The button is too stiff. That’s true. That doesn’t mean the answer is ‘get rid of it’.

If we take that logic, then because the camera on the original iPhone was terrible, they should have just removed the camera on all subsequent iPhones to save costs and add more RAM.

 

[iPhone2019]

Pretty much every review I've read of that Xiaomi phone have talked about how unwieldy that phone is due to the camera bump that's as thick as the phone itself. Literally impossible to use with one hand without it falling out of your hand due to the weight of the camera bump.

No amount of engineering will overcome the physics of light. You will *always* have to have a huge optical element to make use of a sensor that size.

Nokia didn’t like the touch screens and look what happened to them. You can’t stay behind and expect to win, and so on and so forth...

 

[iPhone2019]

I have my own fingers, my own eyes, and my own 16 Pro Max. I can use those to decide, not some youtuber who needs to feed the algorithm to feed his family.
The button is too stiff. That’s true. That doesn’t mean the answer is ‘get rid of it’.

If we take that logic, then because the camera on the original iPhone was terrible, they should have just removed the camera on all subsequent iPhones to save costs and add more RAM.

No, the camera is useful.

 

[Chuckeee]

Apple iPhones do not support multitasking. What use is more RAM without multitasking?

 

[iPhone2019]

Apple iPhones do not support multitasking. What use is more RAM without multitasking?

Apple Intelligence?

 

[Diorama]

No, the camera is useful.

How is a 2 megapixel camera with no flash, no zoom, a terrible lens and no video useful?

 

[iPhone2019]

How is a 2 megapixel camera with no flash, no zoom, a terrible lens and no video useful?

You can’t take pictures without it.

 

[Diorama]

You can’t take pictures without it.

You can just use an actual camera though?
Even the cheapest point and shoot took better pictures than an iPhone

 

[iPhone2019]

You can just use an actual camera though?
Even the cheapest point and shoot took better pictures than an iPhone

Oh, you want to talk about actual cameras, not the iPhone?

 

[Chuckeee]

Apple Intelligence?

But if Apple Intelligence works with 8 GB and iPhones do not support multitasking, why do you need more RAM?

Most of the mobile phone brands include multitasking and that is why having more RAM is useful there.

The issue is: Is apples decision to limit iOS to being a single task operating system still a reasonable decision for today’s iPhone? it’s not clear to me there is an obvious answer. But you need to address this first before just adding more RAM just for the sake of FOMO.

 

[iPhone2019]

But if Apple Intelligence works with 8 GB and iPhones do not support multitasking, why do you need more RAM?

Most of the mobile phone brands include multitasking and that is why having more RAM is useful there.

The issue is: Is apples decision to limit iOS to being a single task operating system still a reasonable decision for today’s iPhone? it’s not clear to me there is an obvious answer. But you need to address this first before just adding more RAM just for the sake of FOMO.

Why do they need to address that first? More demanding Apple Intelligence features could come in a couple of years regardless.

 

[Diorama]

Oh, you want to talk about actual cameras, not the iPhone?

I want the camera button to stay on the iPhone 17, that’s what I want. I want it to improved, not removed.

 

[TracerAnalog]

So, what are you saying? The camera button is useless. The entire phone moves when you press it. Is that good?

I am using the camera button a lot now actually, and you know what the greatest use case is? I move my hand up to take a picture, whilst pressing the button, I look at what I want to photograph, and BOOM (to quote good ol' Steve J) I've taken a picture. In about a second, with one hand. I'm loving the button.

 

[Chuckeee]

Why do they need to address that first? More demanding Apple Intelligence features could come in a couple of years regardless.

The operative word there is “could” So the actual need is unknown and just postulated. The issue addressing multitasking is a current concern.

When phone display were small, limiting operations to a single task at a time made lots of sense and results in significant power savings. Now is the display size of grown larger and larger the question of having multiple tasks running at the same time on a handheld phone device is a question that might need to be re-examined.

 

[jhwalker]

Pretty much every review I've read of that Xiaomi phone have talked about how unwieldy that phone is due to the camera bump that's as thick as the phone itself. Literally impossible to use with one hand without it falling out of your hand due to the weight of the camera bump.

No amount of engineering will overcome the physics of light. You will *always* have to have a huge optical element to make use of a sensor that size.

... AND it ranks lower in photo AND video quality than any of the Samsung, Google, OR Apple equivalents 🤷‍♂️

 

[jhwalker]

So, what are you saying? The camera button is useless. The entire phone moves when you press it. Is that good?

You keep saying that - what do you mean? My phone doesn't "move" because I push the camera button 🤷‍♂️

I mean if you were balancing it on the head of a pin and then decided to push a button (ANY button), then I could see, but ...

 

[klasma]

Well you have some contrarian soul mates on this forum that are coming at the iPhone from different angle. Namely that they will never, ever, use LLM AI and it shouldn't be on the phone at all. So who wins?

Just make the RAM user-expandable, problem solved. Or sell models with different RAM. They already sell iPads with four different storage options, what’s another RAM option on top.

 

[Sami13496]

Apple could add something useful instead of the camera button nobody asked for. Like 16GB of RAM, the X80 modem, and a 1-inch main camera sensor. The hardware on the iPhone is quickly falling behind if they don't add these things. But Apple probably doesn't care. It's all about the money!

Yeah all the regular users (main segment) are eagerly waiting for that X80 modem…

 

[klasma]

In terms of CPU / GPU, they're at least 2 years ahead of the competition, if not 3. At least we have that.

That makes no discernible difference in daily use though. Other than the phone running hot and draining battery more quickly.

 

[Diorama]

That makes no discernible difference in daily use though. Other than the phone running hot and draining battery more quickly.

Yeah the 16 Pro Max has notoriously short battery life

Edit: not to mention a famously inefficient processor that needs a higher mAh battery to reach the same battery life as android competitors

 

[klasma]

Yeah the 16 Pro Max has notoriously short battery life

When you actually make use of the peak processing power, then yes.

 

[Diorama]

When you actually make use of the peak processing power, then yes.

Compared to?