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I7guy

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[…]. The stutter makes us want to throw out iPhones in the trash.
Unless the phone was not usable I would never get that irked over some stutter.
They are too busy introducing new, sometimes flashy features that will add to the backlog of bugs when things go wrong, and get higher priority over existing issues. If this was a priority for Apple’s devs, it would have been fixed.
It’s not a priority as it probably affects some minority of users. My 14 pm does not have this issue.
 
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usmaak

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Unless the phone was not usable I would never get that irked over some stutter.

It’s not a priority as it probably affects some minority of users. My 14 pm does not have this issue.
I have seen it a couple of times when closing out of Settings but that’s about it.
 
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Rodrigovmed

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I can’t understand the point of some people in this thread in trying to minimize the stutter. This definitely isn’t helping anyone.

There’s a saying (not in English) that goes like this: we got great help from people who don’t get in the way.

If you can’t see the stutter of if it’s minimal and unimportant to you, you should try other thread.

Ps: Something analogous would be "If you arent part of the solution you are part of the problem."
 

usmaak

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I can’t understand the point of some people in this thread in trying to minimize the stutter. This definitely isn’t helping anyone.

There’s a saying (not in English) that goes like this: we got great help from people who don’t get in the way.

If you can’t see the stutter of if it’s minimal and unimportant to you, you should try other thread.

Ps: Something analogous would be "If you arent part of the solution you are part of the problem."
In the case of true troubleshooting, this is very far from true. All data points count and are part of the solution. The statement here has been that this is not a problem unique to any one phone. It is present on all devices and it is related to iOS. So when someone comes here and says that they are not seeing it or, in my case, am seeing it but infrequently, that says something. True troubleshooting involves looking at all examples of it not being a problem as well, because it says something about the problem? Is it a setting? Is it a specific app or combo of apps? Is it phone usage patterns? It is probably a lot more complex.

If this is just a thread to complain then yes, I could see how the people saying that they are not seeing it could be annoying. I added my information that I see it infrequently to try and be helpful.
 

Rodrigovmed

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In the case of true troubleshooting, this is very far from true. All data points count and are part of the solution. The statement here has been that this is not a problem unique to any one phone. It is present on all devices and it is related to iOS. So when someone comes here and says that they are not seeing it or, in my case, am seeing it but infrequently, that says something. True troubleshooting involves looking at all examples of it not being a problem as well, because it says something about the problem? Is it a setting? Is it a specific app or combo of apps? Is it phone usage patterns? It is probably a lot more complex.

If this is just a thread to complain then yes, I could see how the people saying that they are not seeing it could be annoying. I added my information that I see it infrequently to try and be helpful.
If someone’s intention, like yours, is trying to analyze and determine all the variables that can influence the stutter, I concur with you. I don’t know if it’s a complex thing. Since I’ve installed iOS 16.2B3 I haven’t seen it anymore, and my daily usage is more than 6 hours. Now I think it’s iCloud related, as if Apple is sabotaging some people.

But, returning to my previous post, many are coming here and “schadenfreuding”, implicitly saying it’s your buggy iPhone and not mine and it’s not widespread and not important.

I can assure you it’s a widespread issue. I have 3 iPhones 14PM and all of them were initially affected. I’ve bought them on different countries and times.
 
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AhRiHmAn

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Seems to be better on beta 4 , since I’ve installed it I haven’t seen the stutter.
RAM management seems better too , the applications restart from scratch far less often than previously , hopefully it will stay that way
 
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ManuCH

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Seems to be better on beta 4 , since I’ve installed it I haven’t seen the stutter.
RAM management seems better too , the applications restart from scratch far less often than previously , hopefully it will stay that way

I've also noticed the same. While it's not gone, it's certainly better and far less prominent for me.
 
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willdude

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Strange, ever since 16.2b3 and now with b4 I’ve not seen a stutter on my 14 Pro non-max. I went 9-10 days on b3 without a reboot, and 3 days so far on b4. I really can’t think of any setting I have which other people don’t.
 
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willdude

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As reported here also at min 9, stutter & lag is still there

Is what he’s showing there supposed to be a stutter? Because that’s definitely not what it looked like for me (which has now been fixed since beta 3). I honestly can’t even tell what he’s supposed to be showing there.
 
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papbot

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Is what he’s showing there supposed to be a stutter? Because that’s definitely not what it looked like for me (which has now been fixed since beta 3). I honestly can’t even tell what he’s supposed to be showing there.
I didn’t see anything there that looked like a lag or stutter to me. He was going so fast I had to replay that section to see if I could tell what he was talking about when he said it’s not fixed for him.
 

antiga

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There’s a very small one at exactly 9:35 after he presses play there. It’s about the minimum amount it can stutter. It’s often a lot worse or happens multiple times in one animation.

Either case even a small stutter needs fixed and is unlike Apple. It’s not smooth at all.
 

papbot

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I still see no lag. I tried the music player on my 14 Pro Max just now and swiping up to the dynamic island was as smooth and quick as I would expect. Maybe if I could slow motion the process on his video I might see an issue but otherwise I don’t and I don’t see one on my phone either. If there is something to be fixed and it gets fixed then that’s great but I doubt I’d be able tell that anything was changed. Actual stuttering which I have seen, primarily when I don’t smoothly swipe up on an icon, is very noticeable with no slow motion required. But I haven’t seen this, other than my occasional incomplete swipes, in some time.
 
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antiga

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I still see no lag. I tried the music player on my 14 Pro Max just now and swiping up to the dynamic island was as smooth and quick as I would expect. Maybe if I could slow motion the process on his video I might see an issue but otherwise I don’t and I don’t see one on my phone either. If there is something to be fixed and it gets fixed then that’s great but I doubt I’d be able tell that anything was changed. Actual stuttering which I have seen, primarily when I don’t smoothly swipe up on an icon, is very noticeable with no slow motion required. But I haven’t seen this, other than my occasional incomplete swipes, in some time.
Can I ask why you’re here, then?

Just wondering what good it is for you to keep repeating you don’t have the issue.

Truly, I’m happy for you. It doesn’t change the fact that there are a ton of us with it on many different devices.
 
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papbot

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Can I ask why you’re here, then?

Just wondering what good it is for you to keep repeating you don’t have the issue.

Truly, I’m happy for you. It doesn’t change the fact that there are a ton of us with it on many different devices.
Whatever such issue you’re having I hope becomes fixed for you at some point. But that video does not demonstrate any such issue to me. And someone at some point made a blanket statement that all phones, or all 14 models anyway, have this issue which is not true. But again hopefully it gets resolved for you. Those on the betas can use Feedback Assistant to submit a report with images or videos that actually show stuttering which may get the attention needed.
 

antiga

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Whatever such issue you’re having I hope becomes fixed for you at some point. But that video does not demonstrate any such issue to me. And someone at some point made a blanket statement that all phones, or all 14 models anyway, have this issue which is not true. But again hopefully it gets resolved for you. Those on the betas can use Feedback Assistant to submit a report with images or videos that actually show stuttering which may get the attention needed.
Yeah I don't agree that it's all devices, and certainly not all 14 models.

I had the issue on iOS 16 beta on my 13 PM before the 14 PM was released. I have had it on both phones, through factory resets, etc. My 13 was perfect before iOS 16, I am confident it's software.

My wife on the other hand has not experienced the issue at all. And I look out for it all the time. The first time the stutter was like this back in iOS 14 I really believe it was widespread and every device had it. This time is a little different, or it takes a VERY long time for it to happen for some people.

But I disagree with the blanket statement that every device has it. But I believe it's a big percentage.
 

Duxxer

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Running iOS 16.0.2 on iPhone 14 Pro Max (512G).

When I open an application (random) and use it for a while, there will be a lag when I swipe up and close it. If I immediately reopen the same application and close it, the same problem will not occur. This doesn't happen every time, but from time to time.

Restarting the phone fixed the issue briefly, but it would come back after one day.
Running iOS 16.0.2 on iPhone 14 Pro Max (512G).

When I open an application (random) and use it for a while, there will be a lag when I swipe up and close it. If I immediately reopen the same application and close it, the same problem will not occur. This doesn't happen every time, but from time to time.

Restarting the phone fixed the issue briefly, but it would come back after one day.
Same here. There's also a glitch when it comes to answering phone call ( swipe right) the screen is unresponsive from time to time.
 

MagicMiguel

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I agree that the Zollotech example was very minimal, but here are two examples I just sent Apple today as they followed up on my feedback ticket and asked if I was still experiencing it on beta 4. I'd say these are moderate example also. In some more rare cases, the animation stutters and hangs for almost a second.



 

MagicMiguel

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And as far as devices, I believe Apple has confirmed this is only affecting the Pro models. I can also confirm that my wife's standard 14 (not the plus model) does not stutter at all. She goes weeks without restarting it and I've played around with it for hours trying to make it stutter ;)
 
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sparksd

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I agree that the Zollotech example was very minimal, but here are two examples I just sent Apple today as they followed up on my feedback ticket and asked if I was still experiencing it on beta 4. I'd say these are moderate example also. In some more rare cases, the animation stutters and hangs for almost a second.

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Good videos. That first one shows exactly what I saw on my 12 PM back on earlier builds (14.x?). I don't see it now on my 14PM for reasons I cannot even guess at, but I thank my lucky stars on it. It is a major irritation when you have it.
 

pmac99

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And as far as devices, I believe Apple has confirmed this is only affecting the Pro models. I can also confirm that my wife's standard 14 (not the plus model) does not stutter at all. She goes weeks without restarting it and I've played around with it for hours trying to make it stutter ;)
Wonder if it's only 14 Pro models, or both 13 Pro and 14 Pro models. That might help narrow down to the issue, perhaps the 120Hz handling on iOS 16 or the Dynamic Island
 
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