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Siliconguy

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I do find it funny that a lot of people are buying the M4 and "banking" on some huge improvements around AI. Come on, it's not like AI on the previous chips is going to suddenly not work. They've got the same neural core in the M3 M2 and M1. Yes the M4 is an improvement (in numbers) but it's not going to be earth-shattering.
At least they should wait until next month and see what comes out at the WWDC.
 

tangfish

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Were you restoring from iCloud? Or device to device? Never had issue before, wonder if it’s new to M4.

Trying to transfer from device to device. It was asking for a couple other random family members’ Apple ID passwords (maybe from past shared purchases or something) and we skipped those, but no matter what we did it would not take the primary user’s Apple ID which was also displayed strangely, not the whole email address but just the part before the @ sign, which makes me even more confused because after so many attempts it locked us out of that Apple ID (and of course the steps they tell you to do to unlock it are an infinite loop of nonsense) yet I can still log into that Apple ID on the web. The whole thing is so convoluted and unnecessary. Look, if I have both devices in my possession and validate via both passcode and Face ID then isn’t that enough? Why the need to additionally log into the Apple ID? It would be a minor annoyance if I actually could but it wouldn’t let us!
 
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TechnoMonk

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I thought everyone did the restore from a nearby iphone or ipad?
Not always, if you lost the device or it’s dead. Usually I do restore from nearby device.
Trying to transfer from device to device. It was asking for a couple other random family members’ Apple ID passwords (maybe from past shared purchases or something) and we skipped those, but no matter what we did it would not take the primary user’s Apple ID which was also displayed strangely, not the whole email address but just the part before the @ sign, which makes me even more confused because after so many attempts it locked us out of that Apple ID (and of course the steps they tell you to do to unlock it are an infinite loop of nonsense) yet I can still log into that Apple ID on the web. The whole thing is so convoluted and unnecessary. Look, if I have both devices in my possession and validate via both passcode and Face ID then isn’t that enough? Why the need to additionally log into the Apple ID? It would be a minor annoyance if I actually could but it wouldn’t let us!
I hear you. It’s just a mess with Apple adding additional layers of security with device thefts. It makes sense for iPhone, but for iPad OS they should have simple mechanism like Mac OS.
 
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GuruZac

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First off, congrats to all who received their M4 iPad Pros. I wish I could justify the upgrade cost, yet my M1 12.9 has been relegated to a media consumption only device. Lots of nice changes though, and will definitely replace this with another iPad Pro but probably next gen.
 
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tangfish

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Not always, if you lost the device or it’s dead. Usually I do restore from nearby device.

I hear you. It’s just a mess with Apple adding additional layers of security with device thefts. It makes sense for iPhone, but for iPad OS they should have simple mechanism like Mac OS.

Well, the restore from backup from the Mac worked! Didn’t have to authenticate anything on the new iPad. I was about to use it for target practice but I’m glad mom is now up and going with it. I have my own to unbox and migrate now.
 

MrGimper

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Sep 22, 2012
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Blooming is glaringly obvious when reading light text on black background in the dark. That’s one use case for which OLED makes an important difference, and why some of us are excited by finally getting it on the iPad. It also makes a significant difference in certain movie scenes, like star fields, or when watching with subtitles.

Another improvement is just the SDR brightness. Some YouTube reviewers have compared old and new iPad Pro outside in bright daylight, and OLED makes the difference between unusable and usable there.
I’ve just read white text on a black background via the kindle app, and blooming isn’t glaringly obvious at all. I’ve tried at the lowest possible brightness and at a reasonable brightness, and still completely legible with no “hey look at me I’m blooming”
 

Apple_Robert

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I think the problem for many here is that they get caught up in the forum hype and buy a product for release day that isnt really needed. When reality sets in, many of the same people feel compelled to tell strangers they returned a product to the store. The purpose for the post is to help said person convince him or herself that the product was inherently bad, instead of their impulsive, illogical reasoning.
 

drrich2

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no matter what we did it would not take the primary user’s Apple ID which was also displayed strangely
I know this is a long shot. I know somebody whose e-mail hails from back in the @mac.com days, prior to me.com and iCloud.com, and usually @mac.com works fine, but he's run into some situation where only the @iCloud.com version worked. Likely not the problem you're having, but throwing that in just in case.
 
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klasma

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I’ve just read white text on a black background via the kindle app, and blooming isn’t glaringly obvious at all. I’ve tried at the lowest possible brightness and at a reasonable brightness, and still completely legible with no “hey look at me I’m blooming”
Maybe your eyes aren't sensitive to it. It looks similar to this to me: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-pro-blooming-discussion-merged.2297334/post-30097619. Not quite as strong, as noted in the comment, but still hard to ignore.
 

tangfish

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I know this is a long shot. I know somebody whose e-mail hails from back in the @mac.com days, prior to me.com and iCloud.com, and usually @mac.com works fine, but he's run into some situation where only the @iCloud.com version worked. Likely not the problem you're having, but throwing that in just in case.

I’m familiar with that issue. Thanks for the insight but in this case there was no entry of the Apple ID itself. I was just presented with which Apple ID and asked for the password.
 
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surfzen21

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May 31, 2019
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My eyes like it, and it helps reduce wakefulness when reading in bed before sleep. Don’t you use dark mode?
I'm in agreement with you and the only way I read at night.

My current iPhone is the first OLED panel I've ever had and the real blacks are amazing for night reading. It actually kinda ruined my iPad's dark mode for me. :confused:
 
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Surfsalot

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I think the problem for many here is that they get caught up in the forum hype and buy a product for release day that isnt really needed. When reality sets in, many of the same people feel compelled to tell strangers they returned a product to the store. The purpose for the post is to help said person convince him or herself that the product was inherently bad, instead of their impulsive, illogical reasoning.
so in other words buyers remorse
 
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Jessemtz25

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I went from m2 to m4 and it feels like day and night.
better brightness, better colours, better contrast. But the absolute joy was in near darkness. No more blooming!
so far the m4 didn’t heat up when connected to an external 5k display and being driven well with 5 active apps.
and that all in an 11” frame instead of the 12.9” I had before.
I returned the mini LED 12.9” iPad after two days of blooming on Netflix screens. It’s night and day with this model. I’m glad I returned it and waited for this one!
 
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Flabasha

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I think the problem for many here is that they get caught up in the forum hype and buy a product for release day that isnt really needed. When reality sets in, many of the same people feel compelled to tell strangers they returned a product to the store. The purpose for the post is to help said person convince him or herself that the product was inherently bad, instead of their impulsive, illogical reasoning.
Yeah, somebody made a book with new words to describe feelings that have no current terms. I forget the term, but one of them is for the acute depression one experiences 24 hours after upgrading a tech product, and realizing that it will basically have zero effect on the quality of their lives. 😂

Nowadays, I try to predict that feeling, then ask myself if the upgrade will actually give me something I don’t already have. Now I upgrade about every five years instead of two.
 

heretiq

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Were you restoring from iCloud? Or device to device? Never had issue before, wonder if it’s new to M4.
My migration was flawless. I followed the instructions in the prepare for your order email~ — which included doing an iCloud backup. After picking up the device at the Apple Store I was prompted to setup from an existing device. I chose the old iPad and was instructed to bring it close and follow the instructions. The whole process was ridiculously easy and took max 30 minutes to migrate a 1TB M1 iPad Pro to the new M4 iPad Pro. This included settings, restore from iCloud backup and use the device for a Micrisoft Teams meeting. Having said that, there was a lady next to me who had a world of problems because her iCloud documents setup was incorrect and was advised to do a device to device transfer that had a 3 hour estimate and would set up her new M4 iPad Pro with the same broken iCloud Documents setup. I don’t know why Apple Staff didnt just move her on-device files to an external drive, set up the new iPad Pro correctly, then transfer her files to the new device and sync it to icloud which is what she wanted. Definitely a fail for staff at that Apple Store.
 

Rafterman

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Yeah, somebody made a book with new words to describe feelings that have no current terms. I forget the term, but one of them is for the acute depression one experiences 24 hours after upgrading a tech product, and realizing that it will basically have zero effect on the quality of their lives. 😂

Nowadays, I try to predict that feeling, then ask myself if the upgrade will actually give me something I don’t already have. Now I upgrade about every five years instead of two.

Except for my phone, no device does that for me. These are all wants for most people, not needs. And that's OK, life would be boring without getting wants. I am quite pleased with the M4, even though it really doesn't do much different than the M2 (except maybe weight). Plus, the aluminum keyboard is cool. And the camera on the long edge is probably more sensible. Definitely more of an upgrade going to M4 than was going from M1 to M2.
 

TechnoMonk

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Oct 15, 2022
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Well, the restore from backup from the Mac worked! Didn’t have to authenticate anything on the new iPad. I was about to use it for target practice but I’m glad mom is now up and going with it. I have my own to unbox and migrate now.
Glad it worked out. I have a iCloud back up and another on my Mac, just in case if I need to restore.
My migration was flawless. I followed the instructions in the prepare for your order email~ — which included doing an iCloud backup. After picking up the device at the Apple Store I was prompted to setup from an existing device. I chose the old iPad and was instructed to bring it close and follow the instructions. The whole process was ridiculously easy and took max 30 minutes to migrate a 1TB M1 iPad Pro to the new M4 iPad Pro. This included settings, restore from iCloud backup and use the device for a Micrisoft Teams meeting. Having said that, there was a lady next to me who had a world of problems because her iCloud documents setup was incorrect and was advised to do a device to device transfer that had a 3 hour estimate and would set up her new M4 iPad Pro with the same broken iCloud Documents setup. I don’t know why Apple Staff didnt just move her on-device files to an external drive, set up the new iPad Pro correctly, then transfer her files to the new device and sync it to icloud which is what she wanted. Definitely a fail for staff at that Apple Store.
Yeah! I would have been pissed off with that approach, and definitely given feedback to Apple. I never had problems restoring from iCloud or Mac.
 

TechnoMonk

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I know this is a long shot. I know somebody whose e-mail hails from back in the @mac.com days, prior to me.com and iCloud.com, and usually @mac.com works fine, but he's run into some situation where only the @iCloud.com version worked. Likely not the problem you're having, but throwing that in just in case.
I still use the @mac.com email address. Never had the issue but good to know it could be an issue.
 

TechnoMonk

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Oct 15, 2022
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I think the problem for many here is that they get caught up in the forum hype and buy a product for release day that isnt really needed. When reality sets in, many of the same people feel compelled to tell strangers they returned a product to the store. The purpose for the post is to help said person convince him or herself that the product was inherently bad, instead of their impulsive, illogical reasoning.
FOMO is real, if the reality sets in before return window its great. The worst are expecting some magical Mac OS on iPad Pro at WWDC and missing the return window, and complaining about OS.
 

heretiq

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I know this is a long shot. I know somebody whose e-mail hails from back in the @mac.com days, prior to me.com and iCloud.com, and usually @mac.com works fine, but he's run into some situation where only the @iCloud.com version worked. Likely not the problem you're having, but throwing that in just in case.
I have a .mac personal email and had a near textbook perfect migration from a 1TB M1 iPad Pro to a new 1TB M4 iPad Pro. I’ve also had no issues with my .mac email for decades. The only issue I had with this migration was that my personal email didn’t transfer over to the Mail account. Every other email was transferred over except the iCloud email. This was easy enough to spot and fix though.
 
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heretiq

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Incorrect how? I'm more of a DropBox user, but curious how what you're describing happened.
The lady told me that iCloud documents never worked on her 11” M1 iPad Pro. She says that she brought it back to this particular Apple Store 4 times and they could not get it working — so all of her files ended up being stored on her local device. She was concerned about having this single point of failure but indicated that Apple staff at the store told her that it was due to an iCloud storage capacity issue, but she didn’t see a reason to upgrade ther iCloud storage because the “plan she was on“ was more storage than she was using on her iPad. I suspected the issue was due to her trying to keep costs down, but didn’t want to pry. This lady is a very talented, professional illustrator and showed me some mind-bendingly-original and awe-inspiring art she created on the iPad so I suspect those files are huge. She gave me her phone number so I’ll follow-up with her to see how she fared this time and offer assistance if she needs it.
 
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tangfish

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Since this thread has sort of veered in the direction of my problems I’ll add this:

During the device to device migration process it asked for 3 different Apple ID passwords. The first two showed the entire email address of the Apple ID (and both were irrelevant to the user we were wanting to migrate from so we skipped). The last one only showed the handle of the Apple ID or the part before the @ sign.

I think this was at the heart of the issue as that same handle is now locked out, whereas I can easily log into that Apple ID with the rest of the email address, on the web. This tells me that there might be a duplicate or orphaned Apple ID in existence with the same handle.

What would remedy this is if Apple allowed the migrating user to actually type in the email address of their Apple ID rather than telling the user what it is and only asking for the password.

The strange thing is the old iPad shows the correct Apple ID account with both handle and full email address a-ok, so I have no idea why or how it would be any different with the handle only Apple ID. When I try to unlock that one I get errors regardless of whatever phone number or email I put in. I suspect that this is due to an independent but with their system.

**** apple, fix your ish!! I say this as a user, advocate and shareholder. Make it as easy as effing possible for people to upgrade their damn devices and we’ll all make more cheddar as a result. My mom has actually declined phones and iPads because each time she switches it’s traumatic like this. They should be aiming for nothing less than an entirely frictionless upgrade experience. Yes yes I know there are thieves and hackers to protect against but both should be achievable simultaneously for a multi trillion dollar company that’s issuing dividends presumably because they no longer have good ideas for reinvesting capital.

Sorry for the rant y’all
 

transpo1

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Then go buy a MacBook. Good god the “Mac OS should be on iPad “ crowd is nauseating.
So is the “iPad should stay an iPad” crowd 😂 We’re all guilty. And the “macOS should be on iPad” crowd is not totally wrong, they just don’t have the right product. I suspect the folding MacBook / tablet will be the new product line to rule them all…and it will have both. Apple will change its mind just as Steve would have…
 
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