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I still dont understand why nobody even mentioned how ******** pencil is. Perpendicular and horizontal strokes are fine but diagonal strokes are wobbly unless you do a fast stroke as you can see on the video. Other than that pen tip is too thick and pen is too heavy for a longer period of work..also useless features like double tap cause you loose grip while doing so.
Everyone still goes for a piss contest between M2 and M4 devices based on how new screen is "tad brighter" or "a bit sharper" than before or no blooming on pitch black room, which is a use case of watching Netflix in bed.
Those are no pro usage scenarios or set backs for a pro user to get creative.
Nobody is actually saying what kind of productivity and creativity they were unable to execute with previous series until M4.
Everyone still goes for a piss contest between M2 and M4 devices based on how new screen is "tad brighter" or "a bit sharper" than before or no blooming on pitch black room, which is a use case of watching Netflix in bed.
Those are no pro usage scenarios or set backs for a pro user to get creative.
Nobody is actually saying what kind of productivity and creativity they were unable to execute with previous series until M4.
Agreed. Since I neither use my iPad Pro for Zoom or FaceTime, it has an M1 chip which iPadOS or any other app I use doesn’t even begin to make it sweat, the same form factor, I just can’t justify the upgrade cost. Especially for a slightly better display, slightly faster (real life) performance, and a new Magic Keyboard. I gave my Magic Keyboard to my wife for her 2018 12.9, which might I add still flys through everything she uses it for including photo editing. Call it software optimization, over engineered CPU/GPU or what have you, but the iPad Pro since 2018 has been a truly future proof and long lasting device, in nearly every way.
Well put. I wish I actually needed the new one. Unfortunately, other than some of the physical features, it just doesn't add anything positive to my workflow. That being said, it is a little work to resist the beauty of it.
You do get blurry visuals - you’re just perhaps not sensitive to it. The iPad Pro miniLED display is widely known to have poor pixel response times. I had one until this new iPad OLED screen, and the scrolling was horrific. 120hz with poor pixel response does not an enjoyable experience make. It’s much the same on the MacBook Pros currently, too. It’s just nowhere near as fun to scroll anything, unlike on an OLED iPhone or these new OLED iPads where pixel response is instant.
Ergo, I don't get blurry visuals.
I've enjoyed pro-motion going back as far as my 9.7 pro.
I mean, I think we'd all like to see it as an option. I have no problem with that. I want that myself. I'd love to have full Mac OS when using with keyboard and pointing device, but it seems incredibly stupid for this person to return it for that reason...he knew it was IOS when he bought it. The only thing I can think is he wanted new hardware, thought he could survive on a mobile os and decided he couldn't.
I’m excited to get my 13” iPad Pro with the matte screen, not because of any improvements in using the OLED panels, but for two related reasons and a third unrelated reason.
1. Battery life. I’m using the iPad Pro as a work and personal use device including as my primary device when traveling for work. My current 12.9” M1 iPad Pro just can’t get me through a day of use on the road without my either worrying about battery life or simply blowing through it due to using more power because of being on the road using cellular and not connected to wifi. If the new M4 can help get even a couple of additional hours of use out of it, I’ll take it. And it sounds like that is what some early testers have found - up to 6 more hours of usage per charge.
2. Weight. I’m all for a reduction in weight of both the iPP and the Magic Keyboard, again primarily for travel, but I also bike commute when I’m working in the office and saving every gram is helpful.
3. Matte screen. I’ve been using a matte film screen protector on my iPP’s for the past 4+ years, not because I need scratch protection, but to help reduce reflection and seeing fingerprints on the screen. I’ve not gone to an Apple Store to look at how the matte screen looks and feels, but from what people who have used it have said, it sounds like it’s an ideal combination of anti-reflection and subtle texture, which should be fantastic to use.
The other added things I’ve not had with my current and previous iPad Pro’s, like 1TB of storage and the 16GB or ram will definitely change how I work, keeping more data on-device and not off-loading everything to the cloud. Like the other benefits when traveling, this should help me not need to rely on pulling everything back down from the cloud when trying to work.
1. Battery life. I’m using the iPad Pro as a work and personal use device including as my primary device when traveling for work. My current 12.9” M1 iPad Pro just can’t get me through a day of use on the road without my either worrying about battery life or simply blowing through it due to using more power because of being on the road using cellular and not connected to wifi. If the new M4 can help get even a couple of additional hours of use out of it, I’ll take it. And it sounds like that is what some early testers have found - up to 6 more hours of usage per charge.
2. Weight. I’m all for a reduction in weight of both the iPP and the Magic Keyboard, again primarily for travel, but I also bike commute when I’m working in the office and saving every gram is helpful.
3. Matte screen. I’ve been using a matte film screen protector on my iPP’s for the past 4+ years, not because I need scratch protection, but to help reduce reflection and seeing fingerprints on the screen. I’ve not gone to an Apple Store to look at how the matte screen looks and feels, but from what people who have used it have said, it sounds like it’s an ideal combination of anti-reflection and subtle texture, which should be fantastic to use.
The other added things I’ve not had with my current and previous iPad Pro’s, like 1TB of storage and the 16GB or ram will definitely change how I work, keeping more data on-device and not off-loading everything to the cloud. Like the other benefits when traveling, this should help me not need to rely on pulling everything back down from the cloud when trying to work.
You should start a separate thread for this. If it's a genuine issue it's important to bring it up for more visibility. MacRumors literally posted an entire article just on the graininess thing because of discussions here in the forum.
Thanks.. I didn't know how to start it but I just managed it
just copy pasted what I wrote above here 
Why nobody ever mentions Wobble lines on iPad Pro?
I still dont understand why nobody even mentioned how ******** pencil is. Perpendicular and horizontal strokes are fine but diagonal strokes are wobbly unless you do a fast stroke as you can see on the video. Other than that pen tip is too thick and pen is too heavy for a longer period of...
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I searched online everywhere nobody ever mentioned or tested it. The artist who test those devices on YouTube usually do freehand lines and therefore they can't see the wobble. When I first noticed it in 2019 I even removed the screen protector that I had, thought it was the cause of it. Nothing has changed since then. BTW I tested the same thing on Wacom tablets, there is no issue like that at all.
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Well, technically speaking you do get blurry visuals. That’s not even up for debate (pixel response times are objective data). More accurately, you don’t notice blurry visuals. Be glad you don’t!
Hopefully this helps. Looks like there's 2 places you can use to start a thread (I usually just use the button on the upper right corner)Thanks.. I don't know how to start it thou I will try to copy paste what I wrote above
So to confirm, this isn't an M4 thing, this has been happening for years? Wow.Thanks.. I didn't know how to start it but I just managed it
Why nobody ever mentions Wobble lines on iPad Pro?
I still dont understand why nobody even mentioned how ******** pencil is. Perpendicular and horizontal strokes are fine but diagonal strokes are wobbly unless you do a fast stroke as you can see on the video. Other than that pen tip is too thick and pen is too heavy for a longer period of...
I searched online everywhere nobody ever mentioned or tested it. The artist who test those devices on YouTube usually do freehand lines and therefore they can't see the wobble. When I first noticed it in 2019 I even removed the screen protector that I had, thought it was the cause of it. Nothing has changed since then. BTW I tested the same thing on Wacom tablets, there is no issue like that at all.
good to know.. yeah it has been there since the first one.. yet only to test it is to do it with an actual ruler on screen. Every review out there only does straight lines freehand which is never a benchmark to rely on.
I managed it thank you!
Why nobody ever mentions Wobble lines on iPad Pro?
I still dont understand why nobody even mentioned how ******** pencil is. Perpendicular and horizontal strokes are fine but diagonal strokes are wobbly unless you do a fast stroke as you can see on the video. Other than that pen tip is too thick and pen is too heavy for a longer period of...
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It’s much deeper than teens and adults. Stanford marshmallow experiment showed kids who didn’t have instant gratification problem had much more control even after few decades. Kids who preferred instant gratification showed similar traits decades later. I teach my kids on benefits of delayed gratification.
This is the real stuff. People going even from M2 to M4 and claiming they can't tell a difference is just silly. EVERYTHING is different.
While I don’t disagree that delayed gratification is a beneficial skill, the predictive power of the marshmallow experiment has been called into question in recent years:
New Study Disavows Marshmallow Test's Predictive Powers - UCLA Anderson Review
For years, parents and scientists have turned to the marshmallow test for clues about kids’ futures. But new research dispels the theory that to raise successful kids, we must teach them to resist that first marshmallow.
anderson-review.ucla.edu
The “marshmallow test” said patience was a key to success. A new replication tells us s’more.
The famous psychology test gets roasted in the new era of replication.
The OS is irrelevant, I think the OP mentioned macOS just for clickbait. It is incredibly effective, everyone acts like snowflakes whenever "macOS on iPad" is mentioned.
This is the real reason:
This is not surprising - the max brightness nits is still 1600. The actual benefit is in the blacks, but the OP either doesn't care for that or didn't test for it.
I am aware of bing study. But the problem is bing study had severe sample size problems be it size or homogenous nature of the sample, especially during follow up. It doesn’t mean kids who showed instant gratification can’t be successful, but need to be taught importance of delayed gratification. All any one can do is teach good judgement to kids. It gets easier to change at that age, than later.While I don’t disagree that delayed gratification is a beneficial skill, the predictive power of the marshmallow experiment has been called into question in recent years:
New Study Disavows Marshmallow Test's Predictive Powers - UCLA Anderson Review
For years, parents and scientists have turned to the marshmallow test for clues about kids’ futures. But new research dispels the theory that to raise successful kids, we must teach them to resist that first marshmallow.
The “marshmallow test” said patience was a key to success. A new replication tells us s’more.
The famous psychology test gets roasted in the new era of replication.www.vox.com
Good question and a bit hard to explain and yet easy as well.
Short story is: it can do everything I need and want in a smaller package. I had the 11” M1 before and I’m back to the 11” once again.
Longer story is: So the reason for going to 11” is portability. Often I have back to back meetings in different rooms, take the public transport or bike to a different office, get back have another meeting etc. So I just bring my iPad, write down notes with my pencil in nebo, make to-do’s and actions in things and move on to the next meeting. On those days the iPad is brilliant. And a 13” is bigger, better, powerrrrr, but I don’t need it.
On one or two days a week I need to bring my laptop to work because of legacy systems. Archive system from 1996 doesn’t work with iPad. Citrix isn’t easy with iPadOS either. I mean, I only use my work laptop minutes a day, retrieving old stuff from the archive and every now and then doing some odd things in powerpoint or in excel. And I use my iPad 8, 10 or even 12 hours a day. But I can’t go without laptop, so having and 11” saves a bit of weight and space in my bag.
On WFH days I have a 5k display connected to my iPad, a nice mechanical keyboard, I have the Magic Trackpad and a Jabra headset and I work on my iPad. If I do the same with my €2500 2-in-1 Dell Laptop, it‘s like a tornado on my desk. And the M4 does it without breaking a sweat, without getting warm.
In the evenings I like to sit in low light, slow down a bit, recapitulate the day. And there the 12.9” would really annoy me. I’m tired, my eyes are not that sharp anymore and the blooming of the display would really irritate me and make my tiredness even worse.
Soo, if I have to be totally honest, the M2 12.9” was a bit of a mistake. I hoped it would become less hot than the 11” M1 (which it didn’t). I hoped it would have a better display than my 11” M1 (which it somewhat did, but not entirely). And I hoped the 12.9”‘s real estate would make everything easier (and magazines and PDF’s are a joy, but for most things it doesn’t matter that much).
I don’t say it won’t happen, but for me it has been a huge improvement. And I work 8-12 hours a day on the thing.