iPad Pro Returned M4 day after

[heretiq]

So is the “iPad should stay an iPad” crowd 😂 We’re all guilty. And the “macOS should be on iPad” crowd is not totally wrong, they just don’t have the right product. I suspect the folding MacBook / tablet will be the new product line to rule them all…and it will have both. Apple will change its mind just as Steve would have…

I’m not sure about this. Steve was pretty opinionated about Apple products an d did not change his mind based on popular opinion because he respected Apple’s fundamental vision for each device. And while he did seem to change his mind occasionally, (stylus is one I recall) he did not change his principles.

In the specific case of stylus the change was to acknowledge the stylus as an essential input device for tablets — but not on smartphones like Apple’s competitors.

It seems to me that macOS on iPad is one of those principled issues that I don’t see Steve or any Apple leader abandoning because it’s demanded by armchair product designers — most of whom haven’t tried using the iPad the way it is intended but instead complain that it should work like a Mac.

One example is the Files app — I have never encountered an issue getting something done in Files and I use a shared iCloud Documents config on my MBPro, iPad and iPhone so all my files are accessible from all devices. The key is to use the same app on each device. I honestly don’t see the issue. Now I’m sure someone will invent a contrived example that doesn’t apply to 99% of users but still insist that justifies putting macOS on the iPad. 🙄

 

[profH]

I’m with OP in the end and likely to return mine. The weight savings And thinness are probably significant compared to the M series but very meh compared to the 2018; I also use my iPads in the dark a lot so the mini led bloomimg (which the 2018 didmt have) was bothersome. But at the end of the day I don’t even need the horsepower of the m series, my only real use case for the 12.9 is drawing to do online lectures. basically with each iteration I just keep buying, returning, and relearning how ahead of its time the 2018 was.

the screen is admittedly -stunning- for comsuming media in the dark. Just breathtaking. But I cant justify this level of expense for only a recreational benefit.

 

[WilliamG]

I'm on the fence about it. I've owned every OLED iphone, several OLED TVs, the mini-LED 12.9 M1 and a MBP M3 Max 16"

I'm just not sure how much better the screen can be. OK if you sit side by side you'll notice a bit better contrast or pop (which could be considered over-saturation) on OLED. You'll see bloom in extreme circumstances on mini-LED.

But the blacks are real black on both technologies, and that's the thing most people notice and go wow at.

Timmy said it's the biggest change since the iPad was launched ... I'd say mini-LED was, and OLED is just an evolution of that, to the eye.

I massively disagree. Instant pixel response is a game changer. How anyone could think the miniLED iPad Pro even remotely competes! 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[Apple2501]

Start a business, use it for your business, free iPad. Then price is no object. You’re welcome. That’s who these high end devices are built for; and for those with more dollars than sense. The hate begins.

 

[MrGimper]

I massively disagree. Instant pixel response is a game changer. How anyone could think the miniLED iPad Pro even remotely competes! 🤦🏻‍♂️

Game changer for what?

 

[beanbaguk]

What an odd piece of feedback from the OP.

I plan to change my aging 2nd gen iPad Pro with an M4 model this Christmas along with the Magic Keyboard. Do I need it? No. Will it replace MacOS? No, it’s not intended to do that. Would an iPad Air suffice? Absolutely, but why get an M2 when you can get an M4? 😂

 

[Shirasaki]

The slim form factor and weight alone were enough to justify the purchase.

This was for my wife, and she immediately noticed the device's slimness and could tell that the screen was sharper than our 5th-gen iPad Pro 12.9 (which we traded in).
I do agree that this purchase might not be for everyone especially if you have a M-series iPad Pro (M1/M2).

Even for M1/M2 ipad pro if someone cares about screen a lot, OLED can be enough to Sway the decision and eventually pull the trigger. I am using M1 iPad Pro and I’m also considering purchasing one. I am just waiting for a better deal.

 

[Shirasaki]

Then go buy a MacBook. Good god the “Mac OS should be on iPad “ crowd is nauseating.

This crowd will shut up if Apple even made some attempts to make those $1000+ devices more useful in more professions and more versatile. Seeing Apple openly admitting they aren’t willing to make iPad more than a glorified iPhone, you will see that crowd complaining about not having macOS until the end of time or Apple changes their mind.

 

[ErneX]

I was looking forward to the OLED screen. What a huge disappointment! The function keys on the new keyboard are much appreciated. I returned both. Hopefully, Apple will make more significant changes like adding MAC OS.

Care to explain what did you find disappointing? Just the screen difference is massive so I find it hard to believe you had issues with that in particular.

 

[nappes]

After all the hype and honeymoon is over, I'm expecting lots of open box iPads to be returned once people realize that they just got ripped off on a product with very little improvement.

I bet most people buying an m4 pro iPad, are either new/upgrading from something reasonably old or upgrading from something recent and are very into their toys/need it.

i bet the group of people upgrading from an m1+ iPad and being surprised it’s not a huge difference is going to be small

 

[makrumor]

i bet the group of people upgrading from an m1+ iPad and being surprised it’s not a huge difference is going to be small

For me, coming from M1 it's a bit of a trade-off upgrade. OLED > mini LED but comes with grainy grays. Thinner form factor - worse speakers in return. Mixed feelings overall if instead of pure upgrades you get something for something.

Learnt to live with that, it's quite normal in electronics universe these days. A spark of a returning the product idea appeared, though. For the first time.

 

[Ludatyk]

I'm on the fence about it. I've owned every OLED iphone, several OLED TVs, the mini-LED 12.9 M1 and a MBP M3 Max 16"

I'm just not sure how much better the screen can be. OK if you sit side by side you'll notice a bit better contrast or pop (which could be considered over-saturation) on OLED. You'll see bloom in extreme circumstances on mini-LED.

But the blacks are real black on both technologies, and that's the thing most people notice and go wow at.

Timmy said it's the biggest change since the iPad was launched ... I'd say mini-LED was, and OLED is just an evolution of that, to the eye.

I share the same thoughts as you. I like the thinness, weight and overall feel of the device... but I was expecting a major change with the move to OLED when looking at photos or videos. And unfortunately, I don't see it.

I plan to hold on to it for a week at least to see how I fare with it. Because as much as I'm questioning whether or not I should keep the iPad... the Magic Keyboard is the star of the setup. It's as if Apple predicted this all along, there's a chance I'll keep the iPad just for the new Keyboard.

 

[Apple_Robert]

FOMO is real, if the reality sets in before return window its great. The worst are expecting some magical Mac OS on iPad Pro at WWDC and missing the return window, and complaining about OS.

Such behavior from teens and younger is to be expected. We shouldn’t be seeing it from adults, in my opinion.

 

[Wando64]

Then go buy a MacBook. Good god the “Mac OS should be on iPad “ crowd is nauseating.

I don't understand why the hullabaloo about this.

Need an iPad and I love iPadOS on it and I wouldn't change it for the world.
I also need a Mac and I love MacOS, and I wouldn't change it for the world.

All of that said, I would find it extremely useful if Apple could give me an iPad that could also be docked and booted up as a Mac as and when desired.
But I am a realist and I appreciate that Apple would rather prefer continuing selling me two devices instead of one.

 

[scupking]

If you have an m1 or newer iPad it’s not worth the upgrade..

 

[klasma]

Game changer for what?

For games? 😀

 

[pdoherty]

My eyes like it, and it helps reduce wakefulness when reading in bed before sleep. Don’t you use dark mode?

No, I don't use the mode at all. It creates crazy after images when I've been looking at it and then look anywhere else.

 

[pdoherty]

Seriously? That‘s how I read ebooks in the dark on my iPad; it’s far more comfortable to me than blasting my face with a white background and black text in the dark.

Hell, I pretty much keep all my devices in dark mode 100% of the time nowadays; it’s all light text on dark backgrounds for me, and when I try to go back I find it very uncomfortable.

It doesn't have to be the opposite - I use the sepia colored background with dark gray text. Like this:

 

[pdoherty]

More on dark mode and why it's biggest benefit is just saving battery.

Is Dark Mode Better For Your Eyes?

Is dark mode better for your eyes? All About Vision's article explores using your smartphone’s dark mode to help your eyes, the pros, the cons and who benefits.

www.allaboutvision.com

While dark mode has a lot of benefits, it may not be better for your eyes. Using dark mode is helpful in that it’s easier on the eyes than a stark, bright white screen. However, using a dark screen requires your pupils to dilate which can make it harder to focus on the screen.

Why does eye dilation make it harder to see? When your pupils dilate, your vision becomes less clear. When your pupils constrict under bright light, your vision sharpens. Just like a camera, a smaller aperture provides greater depth of focus. For this reason, it may be more difficult for some people to clearly see screen details in dark mode.

People who have myopia or astigmatism also may experience halation (from the word “halo”). Halation occurs when light spreads past a certain boundary, creating a foggy or blurry appearance.

In other words, white letters can appear to bleed into a black background, making it more difficult to read, especially if the print is fine.

Halation is more common and more severe when using dark mode, so those who already have vision issues may benefit more from a dimmed light mode or blue-light-filtering mode.

The Pros and Cons of Using Dark Mode for Your Eyes

Dark mode is a display setting on digital devices. But is it really better for the eyes or not? Learn all about it from an eye doctor here.

www.ophthalmology24.com

Visual Acuity

Visual acuity is the ability to see fine details clearly. When you look at dark text on a light background, your pupils constrict (become smaller) to provide sharper vision. When you look at light text on a dark background, your pupils dilate (become larger) to let more light in. This can make it harder to focus on the text and for some people cause a slightly blurry vision. This is especially true for people with farsightedness or presbyopia.

Eye fatigue​

Eye fatigue is the feeling of tiredness or discomfort in your eyes after prolonged or intense use. When you use dark mode on your screen, your eyes have to work harder to adapt to the low brightness of the screen. For some people, this can cause more fatigue than using light mode. We suggest that you try out both and see what works best for you.

Readability​

Some people may find it harder to read white text on a dark background. Especially if they have a cloudy lens (cataract), macular degeneration, or other vision problems. This is because the pupils dilate in low light conditions, making it more difficult to focus on the text. Dark mode may also reduce the contrast between text and background, which can affect readability for some users.

 

[MrGimper]

For games? 😀

Well that was what I was waiting for the answer to be...... because not really anything else tbh.

 

[MrGimper]

More on dark mode and why it's biggest benefit is just saving battery.

Is Dark Mode Better For Your Eyes?

Is dark mode better for your eyes? All About Vision's article explores using your smartphone’s dark mode to help your eyes, the pros, the cons and who benefits.

www.allaboutvision.com

The Pros and Cons of Using Dark Mode for Your Eyes

Dark mode is a display setting on digital devices. But is it really better for the eyes or not? Learn all about it from an eye doctor here.

www.ophthalmology24.com

Interesting reading .. I've found myself switching back to light mode on all my devices since using it on my M3 MBP

 

[Apple_Robert]

I’m with OP in the end and likely to return mine. The weight savings And thinness are probably significant compared to the M series but very meh compared to the 2018; I also use my iPads in the dark a lot so the mini led bloomimg (which the 2018 didmt have) was bothersome. But at the end of the day I don’t even need the horsepower of the m series, my only real use case for the 12.9 is drawing to do online lectures. basically with each iteration I just keep buying, returning, and relearning how ahead of its time the 2018 was.

the screen is admittedly -stunning- for comsuming media in the dark. Just breathtaking. But I cant justify this level of expense for only a recreational benefit.

I could see returning here and there but, with the ability for most to go to an Apple Store to experience the product in person before purchase, not to mention knowing specs ahead of time, it appears you continue to allow yourself to make bad decisions due to Apple fever.

 

[pdoherty]

just get the cheapest iPad with 8gb ram and 256 ssd

it has been proven that getting all the extras only nets you a 5 percent performance boost

hopefully they will put some sort of macOS on the iPad. iPad os is so limiting and the biggest disappointment in spending money on a new iPad in my opinion.

Extra storage and extra RAM isn't about performance, it's about things like preventing the reloading of Safari tabs when moving around (eg doing research in one tab or another app while composing a reply), and obviously extra storage is so you can have more apps, more photos, more movies/TV shows, more music, etc.

 

[MrGimper]

I could see returning here and there but, with the ability for most to go to an Apple Store to experience the product in person before purchase, not to mention knowing specs ahead of time, it appears you continue to allow yourself to make bad decisions due to Apple fever.

Can you test an iPad in pitch black in an Apple store then?

 

[WilliamG]

Game changer for what?

For non-blurry visuals when scrolling? For premium contrast without blooming?