Logic Pro! The ability to run Logic Pro on iPad would be enough to get me to upgrade. Shuttling file between GarageBand on iPad and Logic Pro on Mac is not great and lots is lost in translation.
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iPad Pro Returning the new 12.9 M1 iPad Pro, here's why
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My 2018 IPP only has 4GB RAM - that could easily cause performance issues in Final Cut Pro with 4K video. Apple could limit Pro apps to those iPads that have 8GB or more RAM. They don't sell a Mac with less than 8GB RAM today it would be consistent. I believe there will be some capabilities that Apple will limit to 8GB or higher iPads - why do I think this? Because prior to the 2021 iPad Apple would never disclose the amount of RAM in an iPad model - now they freely give this information - there has to be a reason for that switch.
Thanks. Another way to put my question would be "What would be announced at WWDC that my 2018 12.9 would be inadequate for, compelling me to upgrade to the 2021?"
Not a problem at all. I use a program called Think or Swim. It is proprietary only for customers of TD Ameritrade. You may have to have a minimum trading balance with them as well, I am not sure of that. They also have a very complete and a bit complex system for Mac which I also use when I am trading options as it has a lot of tools built in. Aside from the, I am not very familiar with any non-sponsored apps that might be out there. I prefer the apps from the broker companies as they provide the best level of security since they also hold my account ($$).
Yeah, that’s the dilemma we are facing… obviously, Apple is going to bring features across the board to the iPad line. But if Apple doesn‘t offer a compelling reason to upgrade… then what was the purpose of the M1 and advertising the RAM?
Ok at present on my UK Apple account it states I have till the 8th June to create a return, now if I decide to return, can I activate the return on the 8th or does it stop on the 8th meaning I should really return on the 7th just to be sure?
The M1, as we all basically know, is awfully quick—and the additional RAM just helps. I’m on my way to Apple right now to swap my 512GB 11” model out for the 1TB. The capacity isn’t so much the immediate problem but I’ve already begun noticing apps and webpages refreshing and reloading themselves more than on my iPhone 12 in normal/medium usage. Perhaps my “normal” use case of having anywhere from one to 20 Safari tabs open as well as Twitter, Mail, Music, Duolingo (with the entire Spanish course downloaded) and maybe some occasional, maybe-not-so-lightweight, eye-candy gaming (e.g. Genshin, Divinity) is heavier than some, and perhaps RAM isn’t the issue here or there’s a leak somewhere, but I’m trying to maximize the return on my investment and be able to use the thing more or less as long as possible and it seems worth a try.
I wonder if anyone would be thinking a major overhaul is coming to iPadOS at WWDC if Apple would have just called the chip A14X… because that’s basically what M1 is… it’s amazing how marketing can really push a product onto consumers in the hopes of major improvements in software.
I have a feeling after WWDC Apple will see a lot of cancelled orders and returns.
I have a feeling after WWDC Apple will see a lot of cancelled orders and returns.
Personally, I want to see full alternative browsers on the iPad. I wouldn’t mind having support for Rosetta 2 apps in “desktop-mode”, either.
If that doesn’t materialize though, no biggie. I’m already benefiting from the bigger storage and smoother operation with the M1/16GB/1TB on the 2021 Pro.
Gotta say though, if MacOS virtualization actually becomes a thing, I might upgrade from 1TB to 2TB (500GB-1TB for MacOS, the rest for iPadOS).
Reading this paragraph gave me an aneurysm…..Use spellcheck or something next time. Longest sentences I have ever read lol
I'm waiting a while.
First, you have WWDC, which gives you an idea of what iPadOS 15 will deliver, but the beta life is rough. So you're waiting until Sept for the finished product. Until then, the M1 iPad Pro is basically just a faster iPad with a new screen on the big one.
But in September, Apple's flagship phones will appear which will typically also feature 1 new piece of tech that none of the Apple products have, and eventually trickles down to the iPad line. If you want that feature in your iPad, you may decide to skip the 2021 altogether. If not, it might be worth buying... but...
Then the developer community needs to catch up and release new stuff for iOS/iPadOS15, M1 compatible this and that, etc. That usually takes at least 3 months of catching up... but up to 6 months for some if the app has to be redesigned/optimized for new stuff.
That really puts us in 2022 as the earliest point the ecosystem is optimized to maximize the M1 iPad Pro on iPadOS 15.
The transition from Apple A series to M series chips isn't as big of a jump, but this definitely feels like a transition much like the M1 Air and 13 inch Pro experienced. Waiting it one out is probably a good idea unless you really need it.
Just food for thought.
First, you have WWDC, which gives you an idea of what iPadOS 15 will deliver, but the beta life is rough. So you're waiting until Sept for the finished product. Until then, the M1 iPad Pro is basically just a faster iPad with a new screen on the big one.
But in September, Apple's flagship phones will appear which will typically also feature 1 new piece of tech that none of the Apple products have, and eventually trickles down to the iPad line. If you want that feature in your iPad, you may decide to skip the 2021 altogether. If not, it might be worth buying... but...
Then the developer community needs to catch up and release new stuff for iOS/iPadOS15, M1 compatible this and that, etc. That usually takes at least 3 months of catching up... but up to 6 months for some if the app has to be redesigned/optimized for new stuff.
That really puts us in 2022 as the earliest point the ecosystem is optimized to maximize the M1 iPad Pro on iPadOS 15.
The transition from Apple A series to M series chips isn't as big of a jump, but this definitely feels like a transition much like the M1 Air and 13 inch Pro experienced. Waiting it one out is probably a good idea unless you really need it.
Just food for thought.
Fully agree here, the earliest iPadOS is going to fully utilise M1 is towards the end of 2021, by the time developers utilise M1 we are looking early 2022, by then rumours of a redesigned OLED iPad Pro will be circulating with a release towards the end of 2022, that gives about 10 months at the most where this release will be fully utilised before a better more refined refresh will be announced…
I've jumped back onto the iPad train so many times and i find myself not using the device for extended periods of time, and then it just becomes an insanely overpowered media consumption device.
I bought into the magic keyboard and tried to convert my daily workflow to the iPad but i found that it was an exercise in frustration. Aside from the magic keyboard attachment being woeful to use on your lap, the overall OS just doesn't feel mature and competent enough to use in my use case, though i know many who do their whole jobs on an iPad.
Multitasking and app switching needs an overhaul. They're holdover from the iOS era and they don't function adequately enough to be considered true multitasking in comparison to fully fledged OS' like macOS and Windows. Static thumbnails of applications, not being able to pin apps, switching back and forth to read information, running into apps that don't support split screen, and the overall "zoomed in" oversized nature of the UI just makes iPad OS a chore to use -- not mentioning the fact that most apps on iPad OS are gimped in comparison to their desktop counterparts, such as Photoshop and Microsoft Office suite.
A friend of mine is a realestate agent who does their entire job on their iPad pro from signing documents, taking photos, writing up agreements, taking signatures from tenants, even down to using the LIDAR scanner to do floor plans, and much more. I'm envious of those people, i wish i could make the iPad work for me.
When Apple announced the M1 iPad pro i was kinda shocked because the iPad Pro was already insanely fast, to the extent that i'd call it over engineered/overpowered. The OS is no doubt holding the hardware back and i honestly can't understand why anyone would drop that much money on something like a 2TB iPad Pro, aside from content creators who have found a workflow that suits their needs (i.e., tethering their camera to their iPad and editing photos on the fly in Lightroom and posting directly to their website/social media).
Nothing short of a full OS overhaul, or macOS native on the iPad would convince me to go back at this point.
I bought into the magic keyboard and tried to convert my daily workflow to the iPad but i found that it was an exercise in frustration. Aside from the magic keyboard attachment being woeful to use on your lap, the overall OS just doesn't feel mature and competent enough to use in my use case, though i know many who do their whole jobs on an iPad.
Multitasking and app switching needs an overhaul. They're holdover from the iOS era and they don't function adequately enough to be considered true multitasking in comparison to fully fledged OS' like macOS and Windows. Static thumbnails of applications, not being able to pin apps, switching back and forth to read information, running into apps that don't support split screen, and the overall "zoomed in" oversized nature of the UI just makes iPad OS a chore to use -- not mentioning the fact that most apps on iPad OS are gimped in comparison to their desktop counterparts, such as Photoshop and Microsoft Office suite.
A friend of mine is a realestate agent who does their entire job on their iPad pro from signing documents, taking photos, writing up agreements, taking signatures from tenants, even down to using the LIDAR scanner to do floor plans, and much more. I'm envious of those people, i wish i could make the iPad work for me.
When Apple announced the M1 iPad pro i was kinda shocked because the iPad Pro was already insanely fast, to the extent that i'd call it over engineered/overpowered. The OS is no doubt holding the hardware back and i honestly can't understand why anyone would drop that much money on something like a 2TB iPad Pro, aside from content creators who have found a workflow that suits their needs (i.e., tethering their camera to their iPad and editing photos on the fly in Lightroom and posting directly to their website/social media).
Nothing short of a full OS overhaul, or macOS native on the iPad would convince me to go back at this point.
Right now the thing I need most to avoid buying a laptop is a top shelf web browser. I do cloud based programming and the current iOS Safari just won’t let me use my system administration tools. Without that, I will downgrade my 2018 12.9 512GB Cellular to the new 11” M1. Then, to solve work needs, I’ll either get a 2020 or 2021 MB Air.
I won’t go to an iPad Air. But a 256GB 2020 or 2021 iPad Pro will be the first purchase.
I won’t go to an iPad Air. But a 256GB 2020 or 2021 iPad Pro will be the first purchase.
I believe I had the same as yours. Looking to sell mine for 650-700. But not really anxious to sell it… but if a buyer is really interest, I’ll have to let it go.
The most tabs I’ll have open is 8 and thats a lot to me. I don’t force close apps, certain apps I keep in SlideOver view.
This! Signs point to it… imagine having a crowd in WWDC if Apple were to announce virtualization coming to M1 iPP, the praise would be loud and shouts will last for 3 to 5 mins.
Gaming’s probably the culprit. The RTX 2060 on my laptop has 6GB GDDR6 dedicated video memory and that’s only doing 1080p gaming.
Returning because you're... well, unimpressed.
I've felt that way before from time to time. Sometimes, you need to actually get the new product in your hands before you can really make an informed decision as to whether it works for you or not.
Too bad you already sold your previous product.
I think you and I are competing to see who goes to the Apple store the most this week. As I said in another thread, I literally drove out of state to swap a 256 in space gray for the 512GB in silver! I convinced myself that I needed the 512, but deep down I know that the real reason was because I wanted silver with that sexy white Magic Keyboard, I could manage perfectly well with 256.
There has to be stock available before someone can cancel their order or return their iPad, these things are selling out like hot cakes ?
Judging by the apps in your dock and Home Screen I’m going to assume the majority of your work revolves around emails and they like? Nice setup either way, surprised you’re not running an external monitor.
I’m an IT Manager, and my job involves remoting into multiple servers and virtual machines, managing old versions of ESXi that still run on flash, taking backups of configurations and editing/moving them around, mail and data migrations in office 365 and SharePoint, provisioning mobile phones for mobile device management, modifying PABX systems that still ask you to log in with a “supported browser” like internet explorer classic, and so on.
As I said, I wish I could squeeze iPad into my daily workflow. I’ve been able to ditch my windows laptop and go full MacBook, but iPad just can’t manage it.