Oh, I agree - no question
Mainly just trying to flesh out a consensus on pricing that folks would be interested in actually keeping and using this device (or one like it)
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Review: Two Weeks With the Apple Vision Pro
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Oh, I agree - no question
Mainly just trying to flesh out a consensus on pricing that folks would be interested in actually keeping and using this device (or one like it)
The video is hilarious. But it also underscores how far from the actual endgame we are, both in terms of form factor and practical application.
The problem right now is that these devices don't improve reality... yet. They overcomplicate it.
People have laughed at some of my comments about where I see this actually going, and that's okay. Nobody really understood my senior thesis on internet distribution of music, either.
In the near term, I can see some business executives finding it useful to expand their workspace on business travel while also maintaining privacy. But in the far term, I think about what made the iTunes/iPod/iPhone ecosystem work, and it was purchasing convenience more than anything else.
When reality becomes easier to navigate because of MR-enabled eyeglass prescription lenses that can fit any frames, that's when this tech is going to find its place.
Yeah, some things are more difficult than others. I tried it on a photo of my sister wearing a dress with a floral pattern on it, and it was able to find it. Obviously boots are often going to have more subtle design elements.
I live on the planet where I have extensive personal experience with the AVP and have never experienced any eye strain. I live in the planet where I’ve seen a couple of people on here mention it, but certainly not most. And I’ll look for the warnings from Apple about eye strain, I just haven’t seen that yet.
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Well…you have a bunch of people on MR that are “actually keeping and using the device.”
For things like VR gaming, and other VR apps that aren't just floating rectangles, it matters, because if you're the only one to buy it, no one is going to make apps for it, which is going to lower the value of the product compared to what it would be if it had a large user base. If Safari, floating iPad apps, and media viewer apps are enough for you, sure, it doesn't matter.
Well that world ended in 1945 with the dropping of "little boy" and "fat man" on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sir Isaac had nothing to do with it. You should at least update your common sense understanding of the natural world to include Einstein's relativity, otherwise, the GPS in your phone may stop working.
Not to mention that everything we experience in the so-called natural world rests on a foundation of quantum mechanics; even Newton’s laws. I’m even in the camp that thinks that consciousness itself is A quantum phenomenon.
Yes. I don't know about consciousness, though; its too vague a concept for me.
The real crime done here by Apple was to rob AVP and users of macOS. AVP HW is totally capable of running macOS. This way Apple robbed users of user profiles and better UX, robbed developers by app store tax. Imagine not having to use your Macbook with AVP, imagine having real macOS apps as windows vs limited iPad/VisionOS apps.
Yup, I’m one of them.
I’ve been blown away by AVP. I went back to the Apple Store yesterday to get a new light seal size, learnt how to use the solo loop properly, and now having very few comfort issues. I rented and rewatched Dune last night in 3D. I think it was the best movie experience I’ve ever had.
I know there are limitations but personally feel more related to visionOS 1 rather than the hardware.
But there appears to be a group of people in these forums who may not own an AVP or never really tried it properly who seem determined to say it has “failed” two weeks after launch. Well it hasn’t failed for me and looking forward to keeping the discussion going with those that are enjoying it.
Thanks for your assessment - appreciate it!
Curious... was that to deal with light leakage or for more comfort?
$3500 for a device that was cool for the first 2 days and now people are realizing they have no need for it so they're returning it in droves. Until the tech becomes lighter and less intrusive, you're going to continue seeing complaints of weight, eye strain, headaches, etc.
How so? How many other pieces of ‘average’ consumer tech can you think of that are $3,500? It’s an absolutely mind-boggling price point.
For comfort went from 33W to 21W, but also improved light leakage a bit.
The only thing that is safe to say is that it's entirely too early to draw that conclusion.
thankfully quantum physics almost never comes up in day to day life. but have you ever crossed the street? gonna need that common sense.
Back in the mid-90s, Wadia made a CD player that cost $3500 in 1990s dollars (about $7400 today).
I'm not meaning to suggest that this is a price point that the average consumer can absorb, but there clearly is a market for it.
Apple has always used rich people as guinea pigs... sort of like releasing a concept car to limited production to get field data that helps them refine the product before wider release. This model works for Apple very well.
I'm not here opining on the actual product. I have no use for VR/AR/MR of any kind in its current form factor. But it's a toe in the water... Apple can afford to release a few of these and test the market's appetite.
That model doesn't come without risks. There is a tendency for luxury product reviews to skew more positively because people don't like to admit they spent tons of money on a lemon. So there is a chance the data collected will not translate to feature sets the broader market cares about. But they tend to collect product feedback at many levels, e.g. releasing Mighty Mouse in 2005, while iPhone was in the conceptual stages.
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This could be a very useful tool in education in many fields of study. For me its too expensive at this point of development. However, I am concerned what the long term effect of AVP (or other similar) on people's vision. Not just a month or two of use but several years, I think there could be unseen negative effects on user's vision.
In droves?
No doubt you have a credible source in order to come to that conclusion. Can you please post a link here? Thanks!
Fortunately, one doesn't have to understand quantum physics in order to benefit from it. Now, I would hope everyone has experience with and understands how to cross a street. Yeah, you are gonna need your street smarts (which means don't cross the street with your Apple Vision Pro headset on!).
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You can use an app like Screens to remote into your Mac, but I think an iOS fork makes sense for a device you are expected to interact using your eyes and fingers.
Yep, I have also been saying this. For $3500, it would be nice to run desktop apps with multiple windows without also needing to drag around a Macbook to do your work. It is already enough to carry around the case for the AVP. It just needs to run Mac apps natively, i dont care if they call it MacOS or VisionOS.
I think the price would make a lot more sense if it could fill that role since that’s the kind of thing I can do alone. Using it for entertainment won’t ever be a full time thing for me because I enjoy experiencing movies with my wife. This, as it stands, would be a part time use machine for me which makes it impossible to justify that cost… forgetting about the shortfalls in its weight and design (battery cable, etc..). If I was single, I might take a closer look at it.