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Fortunately, one doesn't have to understand quantum physics in order to benefit from it. Now, I would hope everyone has experience with and understands how to cross a street. Yeah, you are gonna need your street smarts (which means don't cross the street with your Apple Vision Pro headset on!).
in what ways are you benefiting from quantum physics in your day to day life? jfc what a tedious affectation.
 
Remember the first time Apple used multitouch? It wasn't the iPhone. It was the Magic Mouse. The product was ridiculed by many BUT comments aside, the actual use started to accustom people to the concepts of touch and haptics well before they bet the farm on iPhone.
Nope, the first Magic Mouse was released two years after the first iPhone.
 
Nope, the first Magic Mouse was released two years after the first iPhone.
I corrected the original comment. It was the Mighty Mouse, which was released in 2005.

The "left" and "right" buttons were capacitance sensors and the trackball used a sort of audible haptic feedback on the trackball and side pressure sensors.

Multi-touch is capacitance sensing as opposed to the older resistive touchscreen technology.

Mighty Mouse was testing the waters with capacitance sensing tech two years before iPhone.
 
Yes, that is horrible, full-stop.

Instead of interacting with each other, they have $7000 + tax worth of glass, chemicals, plastics, and semiconductors wrapped around their heads.

They aren't looking at each other, forming real human connections. If they have conversations, they completely lack being able to read facial expressions and body language.

If it's a man and a woman, they can't kiss!
but two dudes can? Cool

All these early takes are gonna age so badly.
 
I always thought this was a bad bet. The technology is just not there yet. Apple spent a lot of effort on this and this is going to died in 2 years time, just like google glasses did. Meanwhile they are years behind in AI and are going to struggle to get near what other companies are doing. This is the kind of vision Tim lacks that Steve had.
If Apple serious, they should subsidize the price to make more people buy and try, especially among pessimist ones. The company is now enjoying huge profits from other products anyway.
 
I corrected the original comment. It was the Mighty Mouse, which was released in 2005.

The "left" and "right" buttons were capacitance sensors and the trackball used a sort of audible haptic feedback on the trackball and side pressure sensors.

Multi-touch is capacitance sensing as opposed to the older resistive touchscreen technology.

Mighty Mouse was testing the waters with capacitance sensing tech two years before iPhone.
Was the Mighty Mouse any more special than a standard laptop track pad at that time? Those were capacitive as well, I believe, so I don't see what's so special about a couple of fixed zones on a mouse. I've never seen and device with fixed touch zones with no x/y readings referred to as multitouch.
 
If Apple serious, they should subsidize the price to make more people buy and try, especially among pessimist ones. The company is now enjoying huge profits from other products anyway.

Precisely because Apple has never subsidised their hardware products. Blind pursuit of profitless market share has never really worked for the competition, so why should Apple go down that route?
 
Was the Mighty Mouse any more special than a standard laptop track pad at that time? Those were capacitive as well, I believe, so I don't see what's so special about a couple of fixed zones on a mouse. I've never seen and device with fixed touch zones with no x/y readings referred to as multitouch.
The modern capacitive touchpad with multitouch gestures and without a physical click was introduced in the 2010s.

In 2005, the aluminum PowerBook G4 still had a defined physical button apart from the trackpad.
 
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You can use an app like Screens to remote into your Mac, but I think an iOS fork makes sense for a device you are expected to interact using your eyes and fingers.

I am just saying I wish VisionOS was based on macOS. I don't see UI elements as a big challenge for Apple, with more complicated UI elements you could use keyboard/trackpad, but they want us to buy Mac + AVP.

Yep, I have also been saying this. For $3500, it would be nice to run desktop apps with multiple windows without also needing to drag around a Macbook to do your work. It is already enough to carry around the case for the AVP. It just needs to run Mac apps natively, i dont care if they call it MacOS or VisionOS.

I think the price would make a lot more sense if it could fill that role since that’s the kind of thing I can do alone. Using it for entertainment won’t ever be a full time thing for me because I enjoy experiencing movies with my wife. This, as it stands, would be a part time use machine for me which makes it impossible to justify that cost… forgetting about the shortfalls in its weight and design (battery cable, etc..). If I was single, I might take a closer look at it.

Exactly! It would be much easier just to bring your AVP and keyboard/trackpad. Right now we just have virtual display + visionOS windows. With macOS version we would get real window management. We know why it's like that tho, they want us to buy Mac and AVP too, they want us to spend more money.
 
thankfully quantum physics almost never comes up in day to day life. but have you ever crossed the street? gonna need that common sense.
Crossing a street has zero to do with common sense. At some point as a child you were Taught to look both ways, you were taught when to go and when to wait, and it’s likely someone held your little hand for the first 100 times. Crossing a street is the application of learned behavior.
 
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cant you just buy a 4k tv theater projector for $3500 and a 300 inch projector screen and get a much better experience watching movies ?? then keeping the Apple Vision Pro which will have a dated non upgradable CPU when the 2 NM M5 comes out?

Yes, some dedicated home theaters are better for watching 2d movies, but not 3d. So? How easy is it to take that home theater any where you want to go? For that matter, how many applications and windows not associated with that one screen does the home theater display? The AVP does so much more than show movies. I actually sometimes watch shows on my tv while wearing the AVP to check email, reply to texts, and browse the internet. I have a home theater, it’s not a one or the other proposition for me.
 
Yes, some dedicated home theaters are better for watching 2d movies, but not 3d. So? How easy is it to take that home theater any where you want to go? For that matter, how many applications and windows not associated with that one screen does the home theater display? The AVP does so much more than show movies. I actually sometimes watch shows on my tv while wearing the AVP to check email, reply to texts, and browse the internet. I have a home theater, it’s not a one or the other proposition for me.
Seriously…you read emails and write texts while watching a movie or show! OMG! Thats truly weird!
 
Seriously…you read emails and write texts while watching a movie or show! OMG! Thats truly weird!

Not to freak you out, but sometimes I have been known to play a game too. But for those that will take this a bit too seriously, rarely during a movie, most often with the news LOL
 
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Not to freak you out, but sometimes I have been known to play a game too. But for those that will take this a bit too seriously, rarely during a movie, most often with the news LOL
Talking about games, have you tried playing iPad games on the VP? I also like to play casual games like match-3 or jigsaw puzzles while watching the news. Currently, I play the news on one iPad and the game on another. With the VP, I should be able to do both, right?
 
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Yes, some dedicated home theaters are better for watching 2d movies, but not 3d. So? How easy is it to take that home theater any where you want to go? For that matter, how many applications and windows not associated with that one screen does the home theater display? The AVP does so much more than show movies. I actually sometimes watch shows on my tv while wearing the AVP to check email, reply to texts, and browse the internet. I have a home theater, it’s not a one or the other proposition for me.
Back in the mid 90's Sennheiser introduced a device that fooled your ear into thinking it was listening to Dolby Surround Sound Pro Logic through your headphones. The Sennheiser DSP PRO:

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I still have this thing and haven't used it since home theater went digital, around 1999?. But if the Vision Pro were to incorporate some of this tech into their headset, the surround sound virtualization in headphones tech, Apple would probably sell a lot more headsets to HT enthusiasts like me.

I watch all movies using a projector and a 7.1 surround sound setup in my cave. 2D does 7.1 and Atmos 7.1 no problem. But 3D is regulated to Dolby Digital 5.1, which still isn't bad and if incorporated in this headset Apple would probably sell a lot more.

You guys are probably giggling at this thing. For it's time it was a life saver. Our infant daughter would be asleep around 8:00 PM and my wife and I would plug in two sets of headphones, sit next to each other, and enjoy movies in surround sound on our standard definition Mitsubishi 36" TV.
 
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Talking about games, have you tried playing iPad games on the VP? I also like to play casual games like match-3 or jigsaw puzzles while watching the news. Currently, I play the news on one iPad and the game on another. With the VP, I should be able to do both, right?

Games are my weakness, I can get sucked in for hours. Last weekend I played Civilization (iPad version) on my AVP for at least 5 hours straight. I mostly enjoy strategy games, havent tried any twitch style iPad games on the AVP. And yes, while playing I had other windows open. The news in one, MR in another, email in a fourth.

edit: here is a game playing tip, I pull the Game window close and all the controls are directly accessible. I dont have to pinch fingers, just reach out and ‘touch.’ Yes it looks strange. No, I wouldn’t do it on a plane. But I actually find for whatever reason Civilization is easier for me to play on the AVP than iPad.
 
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I am just saying I wish VisionOS was based on macOS. I don't see UI elements as a big challenge for Apple, with more complicated UI elements you could use keyboard/trackpad, but they want us to buy Mac + AVP.



Exactly! It would be much easier just to bring your AVP and keyboard/trackpad. Right now we just have virtual display + visionOS windows. With macOS version we would get real window management. We know why it's like that tho, they want us to buy Mac and AVP too, they want us to spend more money.

The ecosystem is a euphemism for buy everything system.
Apple does it best.
Brilliant, really.
 
The ecosystem is a euphemism for buy everything system.
Apple does it best.
Brilliant, really.

Everything has to actually work well together.

If it doesn’t, it’s not a good ecosystem.

One of the things that never ceases to amaze me is how idiotically overcomplicated it is to connect and configure a second monitor in Windows.
 
Thumbs up for the very honest review 👍.

Maybe I'm lacking imagination, but somehow I still can't see yet how I would integrate this into my daily life.

You aren’t lacking imagination. iPads arent for everyone either. But they are for some of us. That applies to the APV as well. Like I always say, isn’t choice wonderful?
 
Back in the mid 90's Sennheiser introduced a device that fooled your ear into thinking it was listening to Dolby Surround Sound Pro Logic through your headphones. The Sennheiser DSP PRO:

s-l500.jpg

I still have this thing and haven't used it since home theater went digital, around 1999?. But if the Vision Pro were to incorporate some of this tech into their headset, the surround sound virtualization in headphones tech, Apple would probably sell a lot more headsets to HT enthusiasts like me.

I watch all movies using a projector and a 7.1 surround sound setup in my cave. 2D does 7.1 and Atmos 7.1 no problem. But 3D is regulated to Dolby Digital 5.1, which still isn't bad and if incorporated in this headset Apple would probably sell a lot more.

You guys are probably giggling at this thing. For it's time it was a life saver. Our infant daughter would be asleep around 8:00 PM and my wife and I would plug in two sets of headphones, sit next to each other, and enjoy movies in surround sound on our standard definition Mitsubishi 36" TV.

Curious from your perspective how this compares to apple’s Spatial Audio? This takes me back, yeah I remember when 36 was big. My wife and I had to do the same with split headphones.
 
Curious from your perspective how this compares to apple’s Spatial Audio? This takes me back, yeah I remember when 36 was big. My wife and I had to do the same with split headphones.
I think Spatial Audio is a music only algorithm at this time. Apple figured out how to recreate spatial sound fields in earbuds and headphones.

Spatial Audio expands the sound field where as Dolby Digital and DTS place discrete audio into separate channels. Also, the video media out there probably has already been encoded for Dolby and DTS. Re-encoding for Spatial Audio, as the Producers and Directors intended (I'm looking at you George Lucas) is going to entail removing data as there is only a finite data allocation that can be crunched on some media. Assuming it will be released on Bluray because streaming negates that limitation on allocation.

Including Surround Sound in that Apple device will probably entail shrinking and installing yet another chip. Poor battery! But if any company can work out kinks I think Apple can, Apple Newton not with standing!
 
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