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It is getting harder to love apple when they do things like intentionally cripple a universal standard.

From the sounds of it, we will be locked into special USB cables even if we pay more for the Pro series phone to get the best fast charge and data speeds.

It is a little excessive, at least to me.
Not to give any praise to Apple if rumors are corrrect....but USB-C is already this way lol. You need "special" USB-C cables to get certain speeds Power capabilities. The icing on top is majority of companies don't label what the capabilities are. The USB-C cable that came with your one accessory you bought may "work" with your other device, but may not be able to handle quick charging on your other device or may not be thunderbolt capable, oh but what thunderbolt do you have? so yes 1 cable to rule them all, but until there is something that requires labeling them it is going to be (already is) worse than HDMI
 
And the point is also the speed. Why Apple would choose to use a speed standard from more than 2 decades in 2023 is infuriatingly stupid. Nobody else puts speed caps on their cable transfer like Apple. It's asinine.
I like how everyone’s talking as if this is just an apple problem.
Several of the biggest android phones from last year were still limited to 2.0 speeds, this is not an Apple problem.
This article from android Authority also easily shows that it very much is not an Apple problem, it’s a USB-C adoption problem from all companies on all sides.
There are several android devices… That are limited to low charging speeds and 2.0 data transfer.
Not to say that Apple launching phones with 2.0 speeds in 2023 is a good thing, it very much is not.
But to pretend its limited to Apple, it’s only because of Apple‘s greed, and it’s going to affect that many people is ridiculous.
Sure, is it a tactic to get Apple customers to use their cables and to pay more for their phones? Of course.
But to pretend like that’s the only reason that MFI exists is just absurd.
At the end of the day, the people who really want faster speeds are going to be purchasing apples cables, and they’re going to have the pro phones. Everyone else won’t care, will probably just use the included cable and won’t ever know the difference between 2.0 and 3.0 and all the different generations of 3.1 and 3.2 and thunderbolt.
 
This USB-C change seems unproven and unsafe. We just don't know what the long-term effects of USB-C on iPhones might be! They should have stuck with Lightning.

Tell that to all of us with Macs, iPads, AppleTV, etc with USB-C. We are shaking in our "unproven" boots now. ;)

Some of us have been using that "unproven and unsafe" port in Apple products for what- maybe 8 years now? At least I hope those people survived the Apple switch to USB-C way back then. :eek:

Has anyone besides me survived using USB-C in Apple products? Perhaps I've just been supremely lucky? I've also had no jiggly. I've had no lint. I've had no expensive repairs. Etc.

And once again, in all these threads where we see USB-C as such a big mistake, I still await someone to write down how wrong Apple is for embracing it instead of Lightning in all of the other major Apple products. I do not get how it can both be perfectly fine where Apple is using it already and a terrible mistake where they are not yet using it... especially when we know from Apple themselves that they will soon be adopting it there too.

Personally, I welcome USB-C in all Apple things, hopefully with no artificial limitations. One cable to rule them all. AT LAST!
 
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I don’t care if my 12 mini or whatever future phone charges slow. I do like the ipad pro dongle I use to transfer files with a sd/micro card. Otherwise, I don’t care if low end ($700 🙄) phones stay on lightning. I charge at night and don’t use my cell much.
 
Ive read that the EU could prevent the sale of iPhone 15 if they cripple the standard and personally I HOPE THEY DO ! Apple are deeply anti us in many ways and while the EU can be a monstrous **** show sometimes, this stuff is where they somewhat shine.
 
I wonder if an updated MagSafe battery with usb-c would allow charging another device via the usb-c port. Like, if my watch battery is getting low and I wanted to plug my watch cable into the battery to top it off. Kind of niche but I’m curious.
 
Speed Differences

While all iPhone 15 models are expected to have a USB-C port, only the Pro models will support at least USB 3.2 or Thunderbolt 3 for faster data transfer speeds up to 40 Gbps, according to Apple supply chain analyst Ming-Chi Kuo. He expects the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus to remain limited to USB 2.0 speeds of up to 480 Mbps like Lightning.

iPad Pros gained Thunderbolt 3 support in 2021, while the USB-C port on the latest iPad Air is capable of up to 10 Gbps transfer speeds.
Forgive my ignorance, but why will iPhones be stuck on USB 2 while iPad Pros get USB 3.2/Thunderbolt 3? Is it just technical reasons, or is it just a way for Apple to differentiate Pro/iPad versus non-Pro/iPhone? If the latter, just seems like a douchey move. Plus, I would expect that having everything on the same version might help with economies of scale? I don't know much about that, so I'm kind of talking out of my ass at the moment.
 
The point of moving to USB-C (aside from the universal standard) is the speed. Making it the same speed as lightning would be incredibly stupid.
Lightning could always go faster and does in some scenarios. The limiation was never Lightning it was being cheap on the controller in the device itself.
 
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I'm happy with my 13 mini and skipping the 15, 16 etc. till Apple show me some new features which are worth to be paid. I'm no addicted apple nerd and i have time.
 
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I like how everyone’s talking as if this is just an apple problem.
Several of the biggest android phones from last year were still limited to 2.0 speeds, this is not an Apple problem.
This article from android Authority also easily shows that it very much is not an Apple problem, it’s a USB-C adoption problem from all companies on all sides.
There are several android devices… That are limited to low charging speeds and 2.0 data transfer.
Not to say that Apple launching phones with 2.0 speeds in 2023 is a good thing, it very much is not.
But to pretend its limited to Apple, it’s only because of Apple‘s greed, and it’s going to affect that many people is ridiculous.
Sure, is it a tactic to get Apple customers to use their cables and to pay more for their phones? Of course.
But to pretend like that’s the only reason that MFI exists is just absurd.
At the end of the day, the people who really want faster speeds are going to be purchasing apples cables, and they’re going to have the pro phones. Everyone else won’t care, will probably just use the included cable and won’t ever know the difference between 2.0 and 3.0 and all the different generations of 3.1 and 3.2 and thunderbolt.
Thanks for the straw man. I don't care what other people are doing.
 
The point of moving to USB-C (aside from the universal standard) is the speed. Making it the same speed as lightning would be incredibly stupid.
Nah, the point of moving to USB-C is to placate the EU. There might be other benefits to it, but that's reason number one why Apple is doing it.

With regards to speed, who plugs in their iPhone except to charge? Maybe I'm the odd ball, but I can't remember the last time I transferred data over a wire to or from my iPhone.
 
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Standard or not, they’ll find a way to get their money don’t you worry…
In replacing iPhones with broken ports, perhaps. Time will tell. Speed issues aside, the female Lightning port is not as fragile.
 
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Am I reading this right in that Apple will handicap non-apple overpriced cables via software essentially?
It’s a RUMOR, not a fact. The EU has already sent a letter to Apple warning them not to do it.

RUMOR, RUMOR, RUMOR. Did I mention it’s a RUMOR! Probably started by some bozo to intentionally stir the pot.

How about we wait for the actual release before jumping to conclusions based on rumor.
 
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