Rumor Recap: What to Expect From the iPhone 15's USB-C Port

[darngooddesign]

It is getting harder to love apple when they do things like intentionally cripple a universal standard.

It's hard to love a rumor.

From the sounds of it, we will be locked into special USB cables even if we pay more for the Pro series phone to get the best fast charge and data speeds.

It is a little excessive, at least to me.

That hasn't happened on Apple's other USB-C devices.

 

[darngooddesign]

Will they offer USB-C male to Lightening femaile cables so I can still use my lighting cables in some places like my CarPlay. I have uses for the USB-A end (again carplay) I hope also can get USB-C to USB-A cables.

Those adapters already exist.

 

[iluvcrap2000]

Bah Scam. They should also make some headphone adapters too. Ain't paying $200 for a pair of $10 headphones.

 

[k1121j]

They are holding on to every last bit limiting data speeds with non Apple cables. Bitter much? Let’s see how long that lasts.

 

[darngooddesign]

They are holding on to every last bit limiting data speeds with non Apple cables. Bitter much? Let’s see how long that lasts.

It's just a rumor dude.

 

[Ctrlos]

I don't care about the interface. I don't even care about still USB 2.0, but I could see others being upset. I think the coolest thing about going to USB-C, is if your charger is USB-C, you don't even have to look. You can pick up either end and stick it in either the charger or the iPhone.

For me the biggest thing is lnly having to pick one charger when travelling. I’m currently sat in a hotel (playing PSP games on my hotel TV via Samsung Dex!) and only needing one charger for my iPad, phone, Watch, controller and battery pack is quite liberating.

 

[darngooddesign]

Sounds like intentional crippling so we’ll be motivated to buy the Pro models.

Just sounds like a rumor to me.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Why would you buy an adapter instead of just buying a new cable? It's not like USB-C cables are expensive or hard to find.

One reason - I would have a new iPhone but wife won't and we use CarPlay in same car . Don't want to bother her with switching cables whenever she plugs in.
Also with 10,000 existing cables using old ones makes trash and other sense.

 

[vegetassj4]

No Product Red polishing cloth?

 

[seek3r]

Will they offer USB-C male to Lightening femaile cables so I can still use my lighting cables in some places like my CarPlay. I have uses for the USB-A end (again carplay) I hope also can get USB-C to USB-A cables.

FWIW you can buy adapters like that on Amazon right now

 

[seek3r]

Q: If the EU hadn’t ruled on a universal tech standard and Apple was still putting Lightning on the iPhone 15 series, would this piss you off?

Yes, I absolutely hate that my phone is limited to USB 2.0

 

[STC1709]

at least ill be able to use my mb air m1 charger for the phone. my iphone x is basically dead, the right side of the screen for the last column of apps doesnt even work anymore

 

[darngooddesign]

Yes, I absolutely hate that my phone is limited to USB 2.0

That's 100% Apple's fault because they had USB3.0 Lightning on the first two iPad Pros generations.

 

[darngooddesign]

at least ill be able to use my mb air m1 charger for the phone...

With a USBC/Lightning cable there is nothing stoping you from using the Air's brick with a Lightning iPhone.

 

[seek3r]

It was a mistake to have any Mac accessory charge with Lightning from the start.

FWIW they introduced the KB with lightning at least a year before they started moving everything to USBC

 

[seek3r]

Wrong,

Lightning speaks USB to the computer yes, but there are two buses from the lightning chip to the phone, both of which can switch and not speak USB but other stuff instead iirc.

I took a deep dive into lightning a few years back and it is not just plain and simple USB, there’s more to it than that

Yup, which is also why their one USB 3 lightning implementation was so... maybe not kludgy but definitely complicated. Prob why they havent done it since

 

[seek3r]

This USB-C change seems unproven and unsafe. We just don't know what the long-term effects of USB-C on iPhones might be! They should have stuck with Lightning.

Somehow I don't think it'll be a problem given nearly literally every other Apple mobile device that has a plug *except* phones and airpods use USBC now - iPads, MacBooks, all beats headphones, etc.

 

[tripsync]

The EU made Apple switch to USB-C and it's the who EU warned Apple to not limit the data and charging rates with the USB-C and any cable,

"The EU made Apple"

Did I stutter?

so kindly go spread your misinformation somewhere else.

Sounds like you completely misunderstood what I'm saying. Great.

 

[oneMadRssn]

FWIW they introduced the KB with lightning at least a year before they started moving everything to USBC

The second-gen magic KB launched in 2021, well after they started moving everything to USB-C, Macbooks were charged with USB-C, and every Mac had a USB-C port.

 

[dwaite]

What, do they still have excess inventory of controllers/chips, or (given that USB 3 is almost 10 years old at this point) are they intentionally crippling the speed for other reasons?

The rumor is that the regular line will use the A16 chip, which does not have support for superspeed USB data transfers.

 

[dwaite]

Will they call it a "Thunderbolt" port? Any reason why they wouldn't?
Sorry, haven't been following the names of ports..

Thunderbolt 4 and above are a certification mark by Intel; it costs more money and mandates features which are optional to USB4, or which Intel just really likes.

They may decide those features are not worthwhile on a phone that won't need to e.g. connect to eGPU.

 

[dwaite]

Handicap USB-C speeds on non-Pro devices just because they feel like it.

Takes #Courage to do that.

Or because the A16 doesn't support higher transfer rates, and they plan to keep a CPU version split between pro and non pro phones again this year.

 

[vondo]

I've read half of these comments and skimmed the other half and have seen no one offer a reason (aside from Apple sucks) that the non-Pro will be limited to USB 2.0 speeds. But there is one, I think.

We expect from rumors that the iPhone 15 is going to feature the same processor as the 14 Pro. The 14 Pro is Lightning and couldn't use speeds over USB 2.0, so it's probably just a USB 2.0 controller built into the silicon or package. To save money, Apple is going to re-use the the same silicon in the iPhone 15 and it will then be 2.0 speeds. For the same reason, the new USB-c iPad is 2.0 speeds. So far the Mx based chips are the only Apple Silicon that supports faster speeds.

Expect the 15 Pro to get 3.0 or TB speeds and that to trickle down to the non-Pro iPhone 16 in 2024. Annoying, but understandable.

 

[dwaite]

Yeah this seems like such a bick move

These are supply chain speculation, not partner leaks or the like.

MFi chargers may very well be a thing, but MFi cables sound like nonsense to me.

 

[vondo]

I've read half of these comments and skimmed the other half and have seen no one offer a reason (aside from Apple sucks) that the non-Pro will be limited to USB 2.0 speeds. But there is one, I think.

We expect from rumors that the iPhone 15 is going to feature the same processor as the 14 Pro. The 14 Pro is Lightning and couldn't use speeds over USB 2.0, so it's probably just a USB 2.0 controller built into the silicon or package. To save money, Apple is going to re-use the the same silicon in the iPhone 15 and it will then be 2.0 speeds. For the same reason, the new USB-c iPad is 2.0 speeds. So far the Mx based chips are the only Apple Silicon that supports faster speeds.

Expect the 15 Pro to get 3.0 or TB speeds and that to trickle down to the non-Pro iPhone 16 in 2024. Annoying, but understandable.

And I see dwaite and I answered the same at the same time