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Will you try Windows 11 on boot camp?


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DeltaMac

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Can someone explain the TPM requirement to me? I just checked and my custom built PC in 2020 does not have TPM and my BIOS does not have a listing for it. I have an i7-10700k, 64GB of RAM, 4TB NVMe, Radeon 5700XT. Does this truly mean that a 10th gen, computer from 2020 cannot run Windows 11?
Discover the answer for yourself:
Download and run Microsoft's PC Health Check app.
 
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Ethosik

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Discover the answer for yourself:
Download and run Microsoft's PC Health Check app.
Yeah very helpful thanks. It says I don't have TPM which is required. Like my post said. And just like my post said, I looked in BIOS for any kind of setting and could not find it.
 

DeltaMac

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Maybe TPM was an option when you were building your new PC. (?)
But, to answer your question - yes, you have a PC with a suitable CPU, but without that TPM chip that Windows 11 requires.
There's some info in this article - that might help answer your question, too...

If you had a builder put your PC together, the TPM chip might be part of the CPU, just not turned on, or maybe there is a TPM chip to install in an unused slot -- I don't know... notify whoever built your system, they may have a better way forward for Windows 11.
 

Ethosik

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Maybe TPM was an option when you were building your new PC. (?)
But, to answer your question - yes, you have a PC with a suitable CPU, but without that TPM chip that Windows 11 requires.
There's some info in this article - that might help answer your question, too...

If you had a builder put your PC together, the TPM chip might be part of the CPU, just not turned on, or maybe there is a TPM chip to install in an unused slot -- I don't know... notify whoever built your system, they may have a better way forward for Windows 11.
My motherboard does not have a TPM header, and I scanned through the BIOS to see if there is some CPU setting somewhere.

I know WHAT TPM is, in my post I asked someone to explain the requirements on it. Because for a computer built in 2020 that doesn't have the support of it, how can general users be expected to upgrade to Windows 11? It is going to be a very poor upgrade to the OS, very small adoption with these requirements.
 

mdgm

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Maybe a BIOS update will enable it for some machines with recent enough CPUs if there isn’t already an appropriate BIOS setting for it.
 
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Ethosik

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Maybe a BIOS update will enable it for some machines with recent enough CPUs if there isn’t already an appropriate BIOS setting for it.
Perhaps. This is going to be pretty horrible though. Windows 11 adoption will be way too slow with these requirements.
 

duanepatrick

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This is actually good in a sense of security. But also bad since the upgrade will be an inconvenience.
 

Aggedor

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This is weird. My PC is relatively new (built it myself as a gaming rig, and I didn't spare much expense!), and I have never heard of TPM. My computer doesn't have one, according to that MS Health Check app.

As @xWhiplash says, a good, modern computer from 2020 CAN'T run Windows 11? What on Earth are MS thinking?
 

maflynn

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My motherboard does not have a TPM header, and I scanned through the BIOS to see if there is some CPU setting somewhere.
Are you using an AMD processor? If so there could a fTPM setting your bios - mine had it
 

Shirasaki

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Frankly, I don’t think Windows 11 at the current stage is not that tempting. Haven’t checked WOW64 support yet but it’d be a huge bummer if they decide to remove it that quickly. 32-bit Windows removal is welcome though.
 

DeltaMac

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So --- The seller where you bought your motherboard can't answer your question about TPM 2.0 and Windows 11?

There's a few months before Windows 11 is released to the public, so TPM 2.0 may be a simple BIOS update, especially for CPUs that will be recent enough to support TPM 2.0
 

Ethosik

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This is weird. My PC is relatively new (built it myself as a gaming rig, and I didn't spare much expense!), and I have never heard of TPM. My computer doesn't have one, according to that MS Health Check app.

As @xWhiplash says, a good, modern computer from 2020 CAN'T run Windows 11? What on Earth are MS thinking?

Also, if it’s going to require a BIOS update or even requiring to go to the BIOS at all, that is going to severely decrease the adoption rate of Windows 11. I have already spent way too long looking at the BIOS than I should for an update.

I will see if I have a BIOS update available next time I have some time.
 
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AndyMacAndMic

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This is weird. My PC is relatively new (built it myself as a gaming rig, and I didn't spare much expense!), and I have never heard of TPM. My computer doesn't have one, according to that MS Health Check app.

As @xWhiplash says, a good, modern computer from 2020 CAN'T run Windows 11? What on Earth are MS thinking?
MS has accomplished to sow much confusion about this.

I have seen lots of posts (not only on Macrumors, but all over the internet) where the MS Health Check App claimed computers did not have TPM. On most modern computers this was fixed in the BIOS settings. After that MS Health Check recognized the presence of TPM. It is worth finding out if this is the case with your computer.
 
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bobcomer

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Also, if it’s going to require a BIOS update or even requiring to go to the BIOS at all, that is going to severely decrease the adoption rate of Windows 11. I have already spent way too long looking at the BIOS than I should for an update.

I will see if I have a BIOS update available next time I have some time.
What's you motherboard manufacturer and model? I'm curious about why it doesn't have a TPM...
 

Shirasaki

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Well, my 2019 Core i7-9700K with 32 GB RAM and a GeForce RTX 2070 will not run Windows 11 either, and Microsoft will not explain why...
Maybe take a look when windows 11 becomes available? Or it’s the info from that upgrade advisor?
 

GSWForever8

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I think the CPU includes one, but Apple didn't activate it. Technically Apple could make a boot camp firmware update to use the TPM. That way we'll get Windows 11.
 

soulreaver99

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I'm running it on my desktop gaming rig, Asus Zephyrus G14 work/gaming laptop, and MacBook Air M1 through parallels. I like it a lot. Pretty stable beta and I like how much snappier it is. Also appreciate the changes in the GUI too.
 
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soulreaver99

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Also, if it’s going to require a BIOS update or even requiring to go to the BIOS at all, that is going to severely decrease the adoption rate of Windows 11. I have already spent way too long looking at the BIOS than I should for an update.

I will see if I have a BIOS update available next time I have some time.

It should not be that difficult. If it's a relatively new desktop, go into BIOS, Security (advanced settings) and enable Security Device Support (or TPM).
 
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