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Squuiid

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Those of us with Amazon UK pre-orders got rewarded today! :D

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Greetings from Amazon.co.uk

You saved £151.48 with Amazon.co.uk's Pre-order Price Guarantee! The price of the item(s) decreased after you ordered them, and we gave you the lowest price.

The following title(s) decreased in price:

SAPPHIRE Pulse Radeon RX 580 8G GDDR5 Dual HDMI/DVI-D/Dual DP Graphics Card - Black
Price on order date: £253.98
Price charged at shipping: £102.50
Lowest price before release date: £102.50
Quantity: 1
Total Savings: £151.48

£151.48 is your total savings under our Pre-order Price Guarantee.
 

MisterAndrew

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Those of us with Amazon UK pre-orders got rewarded today! :D

r.html

Greetings from Amazon.co.uk

You saved £151.48 with Amazon.co.uk's Pre-order Price Guarantee! The price of the item(s) decreased after you ordered them, and we gave you the lowest price.

The following title(s) decreased in price:

SAPPHIRE Pulse Radeon RX 580 8G GDDR5 Dual HDMI/DVI-D/Dual DP Graphics Card - Black
Price on order date: £253.98
Price charged at shipping: £102.50
Lowest price before release date: £102.50
Quantity: 1
Total Savings: £151.48

£151.48 is your total savings under our Pre-order Price Guarantee.

That's a smoking deal!
 

Erlang

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Dec 23, 2009
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Those of us with Amazon UK pre-orders got rewarded today! :D

r.html

Greetings from Amazon.co.uk

You saved £151.48 with Amazon.co.uk's Pre-order Price Guarantee! The price of the item(s) decreased after you ordered them, and we gave you the lowest price.

The following title(s) decreased in price:

SAPPHIRE Pulse Radeon RX 580 8G GDDR5 Dual HDMI/DVI-D/Dual DP Graphics Card - Black
Price on order date: £253.98
Price charged at shipping: £102.50
Lowest price before release date: £102.50
Quantity: 1
Total Savings: £151.48

£151.48 is your total savings under our Pre-order Price Guarantee.

Shipping hasn't happened for my pre-order (August) yet. Well done hopefully I'll get one eventually.

Amazon have repeatedly said soon on Live Chat.
 

corbuso

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Yes, thanks for the news! checked today and it should arrive on Friday :)
Finally, I will get a very good graphic card ready to plug and play !
Still had the original one, but was too getting to slow...
 

pierrox

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Jun 19, 2015
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The issue with DaVinci resolve is where you buy it from, if you get it from Blackmagic Design it is full featured but if you buy it from the app store it has limitations.

"DaVinci Resolve 14 App Store Limitations
The Mac App store version of DaVinci Resolve 14 Studio works with OpenCL only, does not support some external control panels, and may not be compatible with all 3rd party OpenFX or VST plugins. If you need these features, please purchase DaVinci Resolve 14 Studio from a Blackmagic Design reseller."

Exactly!
The Mac App Store version is crippled and the result of an arrangement between BMD and Apple. Apps on Apple's store can't access some deeper functions and hardware stuff because they're highly sandboxed. So Apple allowed them to make a version that could make a proper use of the trashcan Mac Pro (especially with two GPU) yet wouldn't be able to use CUDA and others. It might have made sense to buy it until v12 if you were running it with a trash-Mac Pro because at $299 it was cheaper than the real Studio version - and also because you can't buy from BMD online, you have to get a physical copy. But recently, BMD dropped the price of the real Studio Version to $299 and switched from a usb dongle to a serial number license, making it easier to buy it online.
And, icing on the cake, if you have a dongle version, they will happily provide you with a serial nr, effectively giving you a free second version.
If they continue at this rate (innovations/perf/prices), it won't be long before Premiere is gone for good, and only Youtubers/mid end users stick to FCPX.
 

Squuiid

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Shipping hasn't happened for my pre-order (August) yet. Well done hopefully I'll get one eventually.

Amazon have repeatedly said soon on Live Chat.
I placed my order on June 15th so you may have a little longer to wait, though they do seem to be flowing out now so you might get lucky.
 

Erlang

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Dec 23, 2009
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I placed my order on June 15th so you may have a little longer to wait, though they do seem to be flowing out now so you might get lucky.

i chased them again today by email and... one on it's way (from France).

Pays to complain.
 

h9826790

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Exactly!
The Mac App Store version is crippled and the result of an arrangement between BMD and Apple. Apps on Apple's store can't access some deeper functions and hardware stuff because they're highly sandboxed. So Apple allowed them to make a version that could make a proper use of the trashcan Mac Pro (especially with two GPU) yet wouldn't be able to use CUDA and others. It might have made sense to buy it until v12 if you were running it with a trash-Mac Pro because at $299 it was cheaper than the real Studio version - and also because you can't buy from BMD online, you have to get a physical copy. But recently, BMD dropped the price of the real Studio Version to $299 and switched from a usb dongle to a serial number license, making it easier to buy it online.
And, icing on the cake, if you have a dongle version, they will happily provide you with a serial nr, effectively giving you a free second version.
If they continue at this rate (innovations/perf/prices), it won't be long before Premiere is gone for good, and only Youtubers/mid end users stick to FCPX.

Just some sharing, I managed to do some test on V14.

I can see the options of choosing CUDA, OpenCL, and METAL (or leave it Auto).

Did a quick test.

1) Import a 10s 720P@60 video with zero editing

2) Deliver 3840x2160@30 MP4 H264 to a SSD

Result
CUDA 1:24 with poor output quality (the video become seriously interlaced)
OpenCL 1:11 with good video quality
METAL 1:07 with good video quality
Auto 1:08 with good video quality

And the power draw from the 1080Ti, METAL up to 120W, all other options are up to 60W.

Clearly the GPU was doing something, but not that busy.

What I suspect is that the GPU can only do the rendering part, but not the encoding part (the video engine still disabled, only GPGPU is in use). Therefore, no matter how fast the GPU can render, it still has to wait for the CPU to encode. My understanding is as follow.

1) We edit a video and want to export it
2) the GPU render each frame, and store it in somewhere, may be cache, may be memory
3) the CPU now compare the difference between frames and encode it accordingly

Therefore, once you hit the CPU encoding limit, upgrade the GPU won't help. I think it is at least true on the MacOS side. The CUDA hardware encoding library simply not exist in MacOS (I can use the nvenc option in Windows FFMpeg, but not MacOS).

This also explain why you can get some improvement by upgrading the GPU (until you hit the 60FPS limit). Because when the rendering part is limiting, a faster GPU do help.

Anyway, from the test result. I will leave the setting at Auto, leave the software to decide which API to use. And definitely avoid manually select CUDA.
 
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Synchro3

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So I canceled my order from 1.July in the previous store, because still not available, and ordered one at Newegg. No more patience...
 

BillyBobBongo

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On The Interweb Thingy!
So I canceled my order from 1.July in the previous store, because still not available, and ordered one at Newegg. No more patience...
Oooh, they have them in stock...and cheaper than my original order. Still not at cheap as some lucky folks have got from Amazon, but savings none the less.

I may just have to put one on order.

Edit: Oh hang on...taxes and duty not included. Forgetaboutit!
 
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MarkC426

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There are online stores with stock here in the uk, but the prices are more like the RRP.
I got mine a while back for the full RRP price, because I didn’t think the amazon one would ever appear, and now have my ‘cheapy’ amazon one aswell :D
 

Mattww

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My long standing Amazon back order of the Sapphire pulse 8GB also arrived today and what a amazingly great price too. It is odd not having a boot screen for the first time but I'm sure I'll get used to it - probably a little scary for OS updates but it isn't like restarting is a regular thing for me these days.

Just tried F1 2017 so far at 1440p but switching from the medium pre-set I have been using to the ultra and it felt smooth. The in game benchmark gave me: min. 36 max. 60 avg. 48, which isn't too bad for such an old "slow" machine (2009 Mac Pro upgraded to 2 x 3.06GHz X5675).

The fan isn't loud on it either which is good, every card I've owned before the OEM 4870, 5870, 7950 Mac Edition and EVGA GTX680 were noisy once in games. It was only the MSI R9 280X I had just before this (the last few months) that made me realise how quiet a GPU could be with a decent cooler - really wish I knew that before!
 

owbp

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It was only the MSI R9 280X I had just before this (the last few months) that made me realise how quiet a GPU could be with a decent cooler - really wish I knew that before!
MSI often, but for R9 280X in particular, has strange fan curve - noise over heat (something like Apple itself).
It is the most quietest Tahiti card i've tried but also the one that died on me. :) So i prefer something like Gigabyte R9 280X, that is noticeable right from boot, but is usually 10-15˚C cooler than MSI.

But, i've ditched R9's and now i'm waiting to find good deal on RX580 to ditch GTX680 too.
 

Heblon

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I am just going to mention

theres more then just cosmetics with the Pulse RX580, one major thing the Pulse RX 580 has over RX 580s in OS X is its assigned a proper frame-buffer personality which means all the ports etc are going to work 100% its also thanks to this frame-buffer that it gets a proper name in the first place

RX 580s that are not the pulse one and which get the Generic R9 xxx name is because they are initialised by OS X differently by using a Generic frame-buffer that is built using info from the cards VBIOS, while this generally works quite well there have been reports of issues (especially when it comes to multi-monitor setups)

I just figured id throw this out there as its useful info to have...

Hey,

I am finally running my Nitro+ 8GB... everything seems to be fine I'm pretty confident - Benchmarks as expected.
But I'm dealing with some viewport rendering issues with Vectorworks since this morning (some parts of my drawings are only visible while zooming / navigation - curved objects) Those problems are well known in this software and got solved by GPU driver updates in the past... So at the moment I don't know where the bug is hidden...
The frame-buffer issue u described, could u give more insight in detail? could this cause issues like the ones I am dealing with?

Cheers
 

h9826790

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Apr 3, 2014
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Hey,

I am finally running my Nitro+ 8GB... everything seems to be fine I'm pretty confident - Benchmarks as expected.
But I'm dealing with some viewport rendering issues with Vectorworks since this morning (some parts of my drawings are only visible while zooming / navigation - curved objects) Those problems are well known in this software and got solved by GPU driver updates in the past... So at the moment I don't know where the bug is hidden...
The frame-buffer issue u described, could u give more insight in detail? could this cause issues like the ones I am dealing with?

Cheers

No, the frame-buffer issue usually only affect the flashed card, and since you are now running the factory ROM, it should not be a problem. Also, that's about disabling some port (e.g. the HDMI port stop functioning), but not inducing any software bug.
 

Heblon

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Thanks alot!

So I guess it is a software bug, I stooped counting how often I've seen this bug on various hardware configurations... it comes and goes :D

regards
 

thomasthegps

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Sep 23, 2015
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France
My long standing Amazon back order of the Sapphire pulse 8GB also arrived today and what a amazingly great price too. It is odd not having a boot screen for the first time but I'm sure I'll get used to it - probably a little scary for OS updates but it isn't like restarting is a regular thing for me these days.

Just tried F1 2017 so far at 1440p but switching from the medium pre-set I have been using to the ultra and it felt smooth. The in game benchmark gave me: min. 36 max. 60 avg. 48, which isn't too bad for such an old "slow" machine (2009 Mac Pro upgraded to 2 x 3.06GHz X5675).

The fan isn't loud on it either which is good, every card I've owned before the OEM 4870, 5870, 7950 Mac Edition and EVGA GTX680 were noisy once in games. It was only the MSI R9 280X I had just before this (the last few months) that made me realise how quiet a GPU could be with a decent cooler - really wish I knew that before!


Apple should release an RX 580 for the Mac Pros with HEVC decoding and decoding. Imagine a RX 580 with boot screen support and full 2.0 speed. I would buy one immediately.
 

h9826790

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Apple should release an RX 580 for the Mac Pros with HEVC decoding and decoding. Imagine a RX 580 with boot screen support and full 2.0 speed. I would buy one immediately.

But the fact is Apple didn't sell any Mac with PCIe slot now, so why they should do that? Even Sapphire want to do that, I doubt if Apple willing to give them the license to do so.
 

thomasthegps

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Sep 23, 2015
220
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France
honestly, just to treat their pro customers decently. Someone who paid nearly 8000 dollars for a Mac Pro back in 2012 should still be able to find a new GPU for it 5 years later. It's a shame that a 12 core machine has to get stuck with old GPUs. I know the RX 580 has 3D acceleration in high Sierra, but sinking in 300$ for a product that is barely supported (no 4K HEVC decoding/encoding, no boot screen, no PCIE 2.0 speeds and no guarantee of being supported in the long run) angers me. I could put an RX580 in a 10 year old PC and get all of its features to work properly. It feels like a rip off.
 
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pierrox

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My long standing Amazon back order of the Sapphire pulse 8GB also arrived today and what a amazingly great price too. It is odd not having a boot screen for the first time but I'm sure I'll get used to it - probably a little scary for OS updates but it isn't like restarting is a regular thing for me these days.
I ordered one 6 weeks ago, and it had a good price - 240€. Noticed that they were finally in stock last week, thanks to a post here... but now at 330€ ! Today I got an email from Amazon saying mine has shipped and I'll be charged what I signed for 6 weeks ago, yay!
It doesn't seem a bad card and for that price I'll keep it. Not as powerful as my 980Ti as it doesn't do CUDA, but it seems better supported thanks to the native drivers - the Nvidia is very glitchy in HS, lots of black squares/rectangles appearing now and then in Finder windows.
 

Squuiid

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Amazon Business UK still have them in stock. It's weird the consumer side still does not!

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pierrox

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Amazon Business UK still have them in stock. It's weird the consumer side still does not!

Didn't know Amazon has a "Business" version. What's the advantage? What I like about the regular version is the 30 day return policy, pretty useful when you're trying to find good parts.
 

pierrox

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Jun 19, 2015
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I ordered one 6 weeks ago, and it had a good price - 240€. Noticed that they were finally in stock last week, thanks to a post here... but now at 330€ ! Today I got an email from Amazon saying mine has shipped and I'll be charged what I signed for 6 weeks ago, yay!
Received it today. The box is super tiny - well compared to the giant GTX 10x0 boxes I've tried in the past couple of months. But the card is big. It's a 2 slots, but it needs some wiggling to get into slot 1. Out of curiosity, I put the Nvidia GT120 in slot 2 and it blocks one of the fans - not only it covers it, but it also touches it. I tried to move the USB3 card in slot 2 to see, and it's a very tight install. I don't know why they can't just make a card that fits the 2 slot specs.
Plugged it, booted up and it just works. Feels more "solid" than the GTX980Ti which has its glitches now and then.
I was surprised to see that it's just a RXX Radeon something in Sierra, where is HS it shows as RX 580 properly. Isn't it supposed to do that in Sierra too?
For the price, I guess I'll keep it in and will swap it for the GTX980Ti when I need CUDA power for Resolve. Which I only need once every couple of months.
 
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