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jamezr

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Because the Samsung fanboys are jerking off to this news thinking it's only Samsung Mobile that made this amount of money. Samsung makes fridges and washers and dryers and every damn thing you can think of. Not just Galaxy phones and Notes. The fact that Android blogs are reporting this is making people think that it is Samsung Mobile. You know it and I know it.
lol....i don't think anyone here said anything different. In fact we have all pointed out that Samsung has a diversified portfolio. So maybe read the thread?
 
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Talk about going off on the most bizarre tangent. Your comment has zero relevance to the debate about a washer being obsolete without a software update. I don't think I've ever heard any thing so rediculous in many a year. Does the washer still perform the duty it was designed to do, if yes, then it is not obsolete, thank you and good night

If it's a SMART washer and drier, then NO .......... with obsolete software it does NOT perform the duty it was design to perform and that consumers pay extra money for. How hard is that to grasp, without being so defensive?

Same goes with a Smart TV. They are designed for having the included SMART functionality. Otherwise one could buy a TV without the SMART.
 

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If it's a SMART washer and drier, then NO .......... with obsolete software it does NOT perform the duty it was design to perform and that consumers pay extra money for. How hard is that to grasp, without being so defensive?

Same goes with a Smart TV. They are designed for having the included SMART functionality. Otherwise one could buy a TV without the SMART.

But to be realistic, those appliances are not expected to be computers running full-fledged OS. At most they have very limited sets of rudimentary programs. There arent that much updates to be done if those programs are already working.

Of course above does not apply to smart TV if it comes with android. But given the limited use-cases for smart tv compare to your phone, imo it wouldnt matter that much whether it has the latest security updates and/or android version.
 

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So now when the Apple apologists bring up profits as a measuring stick.......
Samsung beats them in sales and profits.

I did. I am referring to the dumb ass Android fanboys who read those blogs and then start thumping their chest.

I don't know, people who like Samsung are happy with this news, but their mobile division took a drubbing and I suspect losing billions is not that easy to recover within a short period of time.
 

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But to be realistic, those appliances are not expected to be computers running full-fledged OS. At most they have very limited sets of rudimentary programs. There arent that much updates to be done if those programs are already working.

Of course above does not apply to smart TV if it comes with android. But given the limited use-cases for smart tv compare to your phone, imo it wouldnt matter that much whether it has the latest security updates and/or android version.

Yes, I agree. But that's one of my points. Who knows, in two years maybe I can ask Bixby the status of my wash/dry on newer Smart washer n drier products. Or remotely tell Bixby to add dry time. So if in two years after buying a Smart washer n drier, a new Smart feature is released, what are the chances the two year old product's software would be upgraded. Slim chance IMO.
 

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I don't know, people who like Samsung are happy with this news, but their mobile division took a drubbing and I suspect losing billions is not that easy to recover within a short period of time.

So I guess there are appliance fanboys out there now? lmao. Unless you own stock in Samsung, I see no reason to as thrilled as these people are.
 

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If it's a SMART washer and drier, then NO .......... with obsolete software it does NOT perform the duty it was design to perform and that consumers pay extra money for. How hard is that to grasp, without being so defensive?
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Jeez, are you on drugs.. genuine question. I'll make this Incredibly simple for you.. if a washer is bought with v1.0 OS and has 20 functions. Then a year later, v 2.0 is released with 20 more functions on newer washers. Are you saying that the year old washer has stopped working and doesn't perform the original 20 functions it was designed to do. That is exactly what you are saying. Jeez. This is hard work.. please don't respond as I can't take your level of answers anymore.
 
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jamezr

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So I guess there are appliance fanboys out there now? lmao. Unless you own stock in Samsung, I see no reason to as thrilled as these people are.
Nothing like the Apple fanboys! They are so bad these is a word in the dictionary just for them.... sheeple.....
Then nothing like the Samsung haters though. they are the worse......
But i guess haters gonna hate!

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https://www.sammobile.com/2017/06/22/samsung-starts-mass-producing-new-exynos-branded-iot-solution/

I'm surprised no one mentioned IOT yet.
I can see higher sales driven by devices being part of a cohesive connected "ecosystem".
Is any other company pushing the boundaries with IOT at the moment?
Something as mundane as a refrigerator or washing machine is becoming connected and we can communicate with them from anywhere on the planet.
Personally, I have no need for this kind of immersion into household appliances but obviously (if most profits are coming from washers and fridges, if we are to believe what's written in this thread) then some people take it very seriously.

I can see a connected refrigerator becoming part of my homecare in the distant future, just not at the moment.
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Once again, I'm back to making my age old argument about cars.

That's cool, Samsung make cars too :)

http://www.renaultsamsungm.com/2016/index.jsp
 
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Yes, I agree. But that's one of my points. Who knows, in two years maybe I can ask Bixby the status of my wash/dry on newer Smart washer n drier products. Or remotely tell Bixby to add dry time. So if in two years after buying a Smart washer n drier, a new Smart feature is released, what are the chances the two year old product's software would be upgraded. Slim chance IMO.

For phone maybe it applies since all the phone does is run software app. But appliances are more hardware than software. So no software update can add capabilities to the hardware. Maybe more relevant to come back here in 5-10 years when all these appliances will come with a power full-fledge computing brain.


https://www.sammobile.com/2017/06/22/samsung-starts-mass-producing-new-exynos-branded-iot-solution/

I'm surprised no one mentioned IOT yet.
I can see higher sales driven by devices being part of a cohesive connected "ecosystem".
Is any other company pushing the boundaries with IOT at the moment?
Something as mundane as a refrigerator or washing machine is becoming connected and we can communicate with them from anywhere on the planet.
Personally, I have no need for this kind of immersion into household appliances but obviously (if most profits are coming from washers and fridges, if we are to believe what's written in this thread) then some people take it very seriously.

I can see a connected refrigerator becoming part of my homecare in the distant future, just not at the moment.
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That's cool, Samsung make cars too :)

http://www.renaultsamsungm.com/2016/index.jsp

The way I see it is smart is not much of a use in future too. Stick with dumb appliances and have a robot to put the clothes in, wash, dry, fold and put back in the wardrobe and at the same time clean and cook plus take out the garbage. That's easier and much better isnt it - killing many birds with one stone (or in this case with a robot).
 

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The way I see it is smart is not much of a use in future too. Stick with dumb appliances and have a robot to put the clothes in, wash, dry, fold and put back in the wardrobe and at the same time clean and cook plus take out the garbage. That's easier and much better isnt it - killing many birds with one stone (or in this case with a robot).
That's a bit sci-fi at the moment, IOT is something viable, purchasable and may explain Samsung's operating profit.

That said, I'd be in on a robot that can do all that, especially as we have another wee one on the way, time seems to be at a premium already... :)
 

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That's a bit sci-fi at the moment, IOT is something viable, purchasable and may explain Samsung's operating profit.

That said, I'd be in on a robot that can do all that, especially as we have another wee one on the way, time seems to be at a premium already... :)

I think to be able to use Bixby to remotely control all your home appliances/audio-visual is definitely something to look forward to. I have seen Samsung demoed this using Bixby voice in Korean.
 

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Jeez, are you on drugs.. genuine question. I'll make this Incredibly simple for you.. if a washer is bought with v1.0 OS and has 20 functions. Then a year later, v 2.0 is released with 20 more functions on newer washers. Are you saying that the year old washer has stopped working and doesn't perform the original 20 functions it was designed to do. That is exactly what you are saying. Jeez. This is hard work.. please don't respond as I can't take your level of answers anymore.

Are you arguing and insulting me just for the sake of it? Bored much?

I made myself VERY CLEAR previously. I stated the SMART side (which is the software) can be obsolete. It has nothing to do with the appliance itself, it has to do with compatibility with other products and software. I've already made my example of using Bixby controls. You kept focusing on the washer/drier itself. Even my Phillips hub need updating to stay compatible for proper and updated usage, and that does less than a washer/drier.

If you still can't grasp that, just ignore my comments, and find someone else to insult.
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For phone maybe it applies since all the phone does is run software app. But appliances are more hardware than software. So no software update can add capabilities to the hardware. Maybe more relevant to come back here in 5-10 years when all these appliances will come with a power full-fledge computing brain.

Appliances are becoming more and more standard with Smart built-in. Most don't realize it because appliances are not bought as frequently as phones, tablets, TVs, and etc. I already know several people that get alerts on their phone when their drier is done, and can detect if it needs more dry time or less dry time. They can add or subtract time remotely from their phone. And those that can defrost and set temperatures in their fridge remotely.
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I think to be able to use Bixby to remotely control all your home appliances/audio-visual is definitely something to look forward to. I have seen Samsung demoed this using Bixby voice in Korean.

That's what missing in the mainstream at the moment. A universal control. Most appliances still require their own apps to remotely control.
 
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Well to be honest Samsung sells more phones than Apple does. Then Apple sells more than just phones too.
Then to be more specific there is one poster that hangs out here in the alternative section that ALWAYS brags about Apple's profits....... so now that point is moot.
But profits are profits......investors and the like care about the bottom line.
Apple has more cash reserves than anyone else I believe...so they are not hurting by any means.

Apple is not like Samung having very top management going to jail soon
 

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Yet their phone/tablet sales declined heavily, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Samsung also make screens and other components such as RAM & SSDs, most of which helped bolster their profits.
Your post just makes you look silly, just accept the fact Samsung made more profit. Apple fans ALWAYS play the Profit playcard when all else fails. Perhaps its time to give Samsung some credit, especially since Apple gear is full of Samsung components inc the new iPhone 8's OLED panel. The butthurt from Apple fans in this thread is hilarious.
 
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Your post just makes you look silly, just accept the fact Samsung made more profit. Apple fans ALWAYS play the Profit playcard when all else fails. Perhaps its time to give Samsung some credit, especially since Apple gear is full of Samsung components inc the new iPhone 8's OLED panel. The butthurt from Apple fans in this thread is hilarious.
Op is on point. Fine and dandy if you like Samsung and it did well and divisions like appliances did well. But the intersection of where Apple and Samsung meet, Apple swept the floor with their mobile division including samsungs losses from the note 7.

Amusing some of the juvenile things that have been said.
 

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Op is on point. Fine and dandy if you like Samsung and it did well and divisions like appliances did well. But the intersection of where Apple and Samsung meet, Apple swept the floor with their mobile division including samsungs losses from the note 7.

Amusing some of the juvenile things that have been said.

I dont really care which division did well, im talking about pure Profit, and Samsung is winning that battle now. Apple specialise in the mobile division, Samsung is way more diverse. Im no Samsung fan btw, i buy and own technology that is best suited to my needs. I own an Apple Laptop, a Samsung phone, a Sony TV, a Yamaha HT receiver and the list goes on. I just laugh at how some Apple fanboys get so defensive and defend Apple to the ends of the earth.
 
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I dont really care which division did well, im talking about pure Profit, and Samsung is winning that battle now. Apple specialise in the mobile division, Samsung is way more diverse. Im no Samsung fan btw, i buy and own technology that is best suited to my needs. I own an Apple Laptop, a Samsung phone, a Sony TV, a Yamaha HT receiver and the list goes on. I just laugh at how some Apple fanboys get so defensive and defend Apple to the ends of the earth.
It really is funny to watch them defend Apple.....they claim profits ...profits....profits.... Then when Samsung beats them at profits..... Well now it is specialized profits....only some profits count....not overall profits. It really is amusing to watch :)
 

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I dont really care which division did well, im talking about pure Profit, and Samsung is winning that battle now. Apple specialise in the mobile division, Samsung is way more diverse. Im no Samsung fan btw, i buy and own technology that is best suited to my needs. I own an Apple Laptop, a Samsung phone, a Sony TV, a Yamaha HT receiver and the list goes on. I just laugh at how some Apple fanboys get so defensive and defend Apple to the ends of the earth.
I dont really care about Samsungs corporate profit or how their appliance division did and how their corporation is doing is of no interest to me in the context of what I find of Interest here in this site, which is the intersection of things phones and ecosystems related to phones. We might as well include Amazon, General Motors and Walmart in this conversation as well. And while I don't like Samsung phones every tv in my house is Samsung and I was going to buy Samsung washing machine and dryer when that entire fiasco surfaced.
 

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I dont really care about Samsungs corporate profit or how their appliance division did and how their corporation is doing is of no interest to me in the context of what I find of Interest here in this site, which is the intersection of things phones and ecosystems related to phones. We might as well include Amazon, General Motors and Walmart in this conversation as well. And while I don't like Samsung phones every tv in my house is Samsung and I was going to buy Samsung washing machine and dryer when that entire fiasco surfaced.

Samsung makes more profit than apple. That is all that matters.
 
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It really is funny to watch them defend Apple.....they claim profits ...profits....profits.... Then when Samsung beats them at profits..... Well now it is specialized profits....only some profits count....not overall profits. It really is amusing to watch :)
If they could only stand back and look at the stuff they say, i just shake my head and laugh. I honestly don't care either way, as long as im happy with my devices thats all that matters.
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I dont really care about Samsungs corporate profit or how their appliance division did and how their corporation is doing is of no interest to me in the context of what I find of Interest here in this site, which is the intersection of things phones and ecosystems related to phones. We might as well include Amazon, General Motors and Walmart in this conversation as well. And while I don't like Samsung phones every tv in my house is Samsung and I was going to buy Samsung washing machine and dryer when that entire fiasco surfaced.
Like ive said before, i prefer to buy a Samsung phone as they actually use the latest technology available at the time. Apple hold back technology to increase their profits, it benefits Apple and its shareholders, not the consumer. So yes, Apple make good profits in the mobile sector but its at the expense of the very people that defend them to the end of the earth, is the irony lost on you?
 
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Samsung makes more profit than apple. That is all that matters.
But takes a drubbing in the mobile phone division, that is all that matters. Actually what matters is Apple is headed toward the trillion dollar club.
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If they could only stand back and look at the stuff they say, i just shake my head and laugh. I honestly don't care either way, as long as im happy with my devices thats all that matters.
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Like ive said before, i prefer to buy a Samsung phone as they actually use the latest technology available at the time. Apple hold back technology to increase their profits, it benefits Apple and its shareholders, not the consumer. So yes, Apple make good profits in the mobile sector but its at the expense of the very people that defend them to the end of the earth, is the irony lost on you?
There is no irony to be lost, you are making up stuff to reach a conclusion based on an opinion.

The shareholders wouldn't be happy unless the customers were happy. And the customers voted with their wallets.
 

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If they could only stand back and look at the stuff they say, i just shake my head and laugh. I honestly don't care either way, as long as im happy with my devices thats all that matters.
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Like ive said before, i prefer to buy a Samsung phone as they actually use the latest technology available at the time. Apple hold back technology to increase their profits, it benefits Apple and its shareholders, not the consumer. So yes, Apple make good profits in the mobile sector but its at the expense of the very people that defend them to the end of the earth, is the irony lost on you?
You're wasting your time....no matter how many times you prove his stance wrong or show how ridiculous it is...the stances changes. Hyperbole! There is no reasoning or logic with him. Most of us just sit back and laugh among ourselves. Some were harping sales sales sales then when Samsung overtook them in sales......then it became profits profits profits...then when that was taken away. It became trillion dollar club......it is funny to watch how the focus changes. Apple apologists are fun to watch :)
 
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