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Your right customers first, profits second. Next iPhone though will be a better phone overall than the s8. That's how Apple rolls.

What, by releasing their flagship model.with 2 year old tech that other OEMS have discarded to the scrap bin. My, cook and Co must be wetting their knickers if they read some of the stuff on here.. they can whatever they like and the hoard will still lap it up. 2015 oled panels from Samsung at a discounted rate cos they are old tech, boom!! Charge top.dollar, give it a fancy name. Probably with retina in the title somewhere... brilliant!!
 
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What, by releasing their flagship model.with 2 year old tech that other OEMS have discarded to the scrap bin. My, cook and Co must be wetting their knickers if they read some of the stuff on here.. they can whatever they like and the hoard will still lap it up. 2015 oled panels from Samsung at a discounted rate cos they are old tech, boom!! Charge top.dollar, give it a fancy name. Probably with retina in the title somewhere... brilliant!!

The way that OLED display is gonna be described in this years keynote is gonna be cringe worthy. I can already imagine Jony's voice and his phrases
 
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Touch Disease and a 750P LCD coupled with 16GB doesn't exactly scream "Customers first" to me.

Tell me one worthy feature on the iPhone 8 which isn't on the S8
Neither is touchwiz lag or draining battery or pink screen. As far as features; iOS, Live Photos, air drop, 3dt. Plus iOS 11 comes with a raft of new features.
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What, by releasing their flagship model.with 2 year old tech that other OEMS have discarded to the scrap bin. My, cook and Co must be wetting their knickers if they read some of the stuff on here.. they can whatever they like and the hoard will still lap it up. 2015 oled panels from Samsung at a discounted rate cos they are old tech, boom!! Charge top.dollar, give it a fancy name. Probably with retina in the title somewhere... brilliant!!
The hyperbole is just so adorable. :) so your opinion is Apple is putting 2 year old tech in anew iPhone. Ok, it's your opinion, no facts though.
 

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Neither is touchwiz lag or draining battery or pink screen. As far as features; iOS, Live Photos, air drop, 3dt. Plus iOS 11 comes with a raft of new features.
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The hyperbole is just so adorable. :) so your opinion is Apple is putting 2 year old tech in anew iPhone. Ok, it's your opinion, no facts though.

The S8 has an equivalent for Live Photo.
 
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Neither is touchwiz lag or draining battery or pink screen. As far as features; iOS, Live Photos, air drop, 3dt. Plus iOS 11 comes with
There is no lag on current Touchwiz. It's just something iOS fans love to say to sound cool. In any case you can install Nova Launcher and get rid of it.

Draining battery affects all phones. Pink screen is already been fixed unlike Touch Disease.

Live Photos already there on S8 and so is 3DT right click. Air Drop is substituted by NFC share which is more efficient way to transfer.

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The hyperbole is just so adorable. :) so your opinion is Apple is putting 2 year old tech in anew iPhone. Ok, it's your opinion, no facts though.

The current displays on the iPhone and the overall design are definitely dated. This is a fact.
 

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There is no lag on current Touchwiz. It's just something iOS fans love to say to sound cool. In any case you can install Nova Launcher and get rid of it.

Draining battery affects all phones. Pink screen is already been fixed unlike Touch Disease.

Live Photos already there on S8 and so is 3DT right click. Air Drop is substituted by NFC share which is more efficient way to transfer.



The current displays on the iPhone and the overall design are definitely dated. This is a fact.

I agree. The 7 Plus screen is dated... by about a year since that’s when the phone came out. Yeah, it’s not LED, but LCd isn’t some relic technology.
 

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There is no lag on current Touchwiz.
Plenty of posts on the alternatives section say other wise.

It's just something iOS fans love to say to sound cool. In any case you can install Nova Launcher and get rid of it.
Maybe it's said because it's true.

Draining battery affects all phones. Pink screen is already been fixed unlike Touch Disease.
Grumpymom's post says otherwise about pink screen.

Live Photos already there on S8 and so is 3DT right click. Air Drop is substituted by NFC share which is more efficient way to transfer.
3DT peek and pop is not implemented as it's in hardware. Airdrop is about the easiest way to transfer. And I'm sure there a many other features not in android, but in a tit-for-tat it isn't worth it to provide any cogent explanation.

The current displays on the iPhone and the overall design are definitely dated. This is a fact.
Burn-in and pink screen are also dated; that's a fact. Micro-led should resolve that issue as Apple invests in a display manufacturing plant.
 

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There is no lag on current Touchwiz.

Every year we hear the same thing. “Project butter nailed it”, “Touchwiz isn’t bad this year”. “It’s definitely just as smooth as the iPhone now”. Every year. It’s never true though.

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https://9to5google.com/2017/06/28/samsung-galaxy-s8-launcher-lag-update/
 
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There is no lag on current Touchwiz. It's just something iOS fans love to say to sound cool. In any case you can install Nova Launcher and get rid of it.

Draining battery affects all phones. Pink screen is already been fixed unlike Touch Disease.

Live Photos already there on S8 and so is 3DT right click. Air Drop is substituted by NFC share which is more efficient way to transfer.



The current displays on the iPhone and the overall design are definitely dated. This is a fact.
Don't waste your time mate. Some of the crap he comes up with is laughable. Draining battery? The S8 has better battery life then the iPhone! Pink screen? The iPhone has had yellow screen issues for years!! He will just keep changing the goalposts and coming up with new dribble.
 

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Don't waste your time mate. Some of the crap he comes up with is laughable. Draining battery? The S8 has better battery life then the iPhone! Pink screen? The iPhone has had yellow screen issues for years!! He will just keep changing the goalposts and coming up with new dribble.
Yeah some of the junk that people come up with is just laughable....right? :rolleyes: Nobody is excluded. But most of it still has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 

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Plenty of posts on the alternatives section say other wise.
Just like the posts on iPhone lag


Maybe it's said because it's true.
It WAS true in the past


Grumpymom's post says otherwise about pink screen.
My project manager's pink tint got fixed with the update


3DT peek and pop is not implemented as it's in hardware
Android doesnt need ut because of live updating widgets

Airdrop is about the easiest way to transfer. And I'm sure there a many other features not in android, but in a tit-for-tat it isn't worth it to provide any cogent explanation.
NFC is even easier as you just have to tap the phones. Airdrop requires you to turn it on and then send it manually


Burn-in and pink screen are also dated; that's a fact.
Pink tint has gotten fixed. Yellow tint is yet to be resolved

Micro-led should resolve that issue as Apple invests in a display manufacturing plant.
Apple is already 4 years behind Sammy in display tech. By the time Apple gets around to using MicroLED we will all be using foldable display phones.

And then we have the design superiority of the S8 along with its outstanding hardware
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Every year we hear the same thing. “Project butter nailed it”, “Touchwiz isn’t bad this year”. “It’s definitely just as smooth as the iPhone now”. Every year. It’s never true though.

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https://9to5google.com/2017/06/28/samsung-galaxy-s8-launcher-lag-update/
You will find random posts on lag even for iPhone. Touchwiz is not what it once was. The fact is touchwiz lagging has been turned into a meme on the web and Samsung doesnt get the kudos it really deserves for optimising it this much. Just like how IE lagging turned into a meme despite IE 11 being a fast browser in its own right
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I agree. The 7 Plus screen is dated... by about a year since that’s when the phone came out. Yeah, it’s not LED, but LCd isn’t some relic technology.
The display on the S8 is leagues ahead of the iPhone. We have ton's of S8 lying around for work and there is noq uestion about this
 

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Just like the posts on iPhone lag
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...nt-lag-over-time.2054564/page-4#post-24774472
You mean threads like this?

It WAS true in the past
It still very much seems to be true.

My project manager's pink tint got fixed with the update
There are threads on here, stating the software update didn't remediate the entire issue.

Android doesnt need ut because of live updating widgets
It's still not as good as the iphone implementaton.

NFC is even easier as you just have to tap the phones. Airdrop requires you to turn it on and then send it manually
What turn it on? It's always on. Of course you have to select what you want to send, does the phone read your mind?

Pink tint has gotten fixed. Yellow tint is yet to be resolved
Unfortunately for s8 users, some still might be having a problem.

Apple is already 4 years behind Sammy in display tech. By the time Apple gets around to using MicroLED we will all be using foldable display phones.
Nice conjecture, but nobody really knows. OLED isn't the next great thing, with the burn-in issues.

And then we have the design superiority of the S8 along with its outstanding hardware
Nothing like stating an opinion as fact.
 

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Soooo getting back on topic...


Samsung the world most profitable company in Q2
Samsung published its earnings guidance for Q2 2017 earlier today and those predictions seem to be coming true. It expects consolidated sales of around KRW 60 trillion or $53 billion. Operating profit is estimated to come in around KRW 14 trillion or $12.1 billion.

This would be the first time that Samsung overtakes Apple in operating profit. Analysts predict that Apple’s operating profit during this period may come in at $10.55 billion. It would also make Samsung the most profitable company in the world in the quarter ending June 2017.

https://www.sammobile.com/2017/07/0...ds-most-profitable-tech-company-last-quarter/
 

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Yeah like these

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-animation-lag.2000629/

It still very much seems to be true.
Have you used the new touchwiz extensively? And the issue is irrelevant. Slap in Noval launcher and you dont have to deal with the issue. Rest of Touchwiz Apps are better than the stock apps. Samsung Browser on Android could give Safari a run for its money and is better than Chrome on Android


There are threads on here, stating the software update didn't remediate the entire issue.
If the issue was at least partially fixed for some through an update it indicates an issue with the software not hardware and will be fixed soon.


It's still not as good as the iphone implementaton.
One requires you to deep press while holding an massive phone. The other merely requires you to unlock the phone. Gee I cant for the life of me figure out which one is better?:rolleyes:


What turn it on? It's always on. Of course you have to select what you want to send, does the phone read your mind?
Turning it on results in battery drain thanks to Bluetooth hence many keep it off. With NFC (no bluetooth) just tap the phones. Easy as can be


Unfortunately for s8 users, some still might be having a problem.
Unfortunately there will never be a phone free of problems. We just have to pick the best of the bunch


Nice conjecture, but nobody really knows. OLED isn't the next great thing, with the burn-in issues.
Judinging by the iPhone 8 and all the 2019 iPhones, Apple disagrees. LCD is on life support. 2017 will be the year it dies with a last hurrah.


Nothing like stating an opinion as fact.
Yes fact. Its easier to hold an S8 Plus than an 7 Plus. So its factually a better design
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Continuing with the on-topic discussion Really happy for Samsung :)but how does their profits in the appliance and semi-conductor mean anything related to mobile devices especially after the note 7 fiasco.
Nothing but a drop in the pond for a company the size of Samsung. You'll need to wake up earlier than that to take out Samsung.
 

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Yes threads like this:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...nt-lag-over-time.2054564/page-4#post-24774472

Have you used the new touchwiz extensively? And the issue is irrelevant. Slap in Noval launcher and you dont have to deal with the issue. Rest of Touchwiz Apps are better than the stock apps. Samsung Browser on Android could give Safari a run for its money and is better than Chrome on Android
All you have to do is search the web. There is plenty of posts reporting issues.

If the issue was at least partially fixed for some through an update it indicates an issue with the software not hardware and will be fixed soon.
Seems like there are still issues even after the update.

One requires you to deep press while holding an massive phone. The other merely requires you to unlock the phone. Gee I cant for the life of me figure out which one is better?:rolleyes:
Just bought a 6s plus 128. Have no issues with 3dt, so I know which one is better.:rolleyes:

Turning it on results in battery drain thanks to Bluetooth hence many keep it off. With NFC (no bluetooth) just tap the phones. Easy as can be
Bluetooth drain is a myth and airdrop is easy, peasy to use.

[QUOTE{Judinging by the iPhone 8 and all the 2019 iPhones, Apple disagrees. LCD is on life support. 2017 will be the year it dies with a last hurrah.[/QUOTE]
LCD ain't going away and Apple will be into micro-led, which hopefully will put a nail on the coffin of burn in.

Yes fact. Its easier to hold an S8 Plus than an 7 Plus. So its factually a better design
It's an opinion. The s8 is a slippery little one requiring a case, the iPhone 7 or 7+ is not as slippery.
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Nothing but a drop in the pond for a company the size of Samsung. You'll need to wake up earlier than that to take out Samsung.
Nice that you are playing fast and loose with Samsungs money. I'm sure they would disagree that the loss of 8 billion to their mobile phone division is a drop in the bucket.
 

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So we can now conclude both iOS and Android lag. iOS ha regressed in this area while Android progressed and they are now dead even.


All you have to do is search the web. There is plenty of posts reporting issues.
You will find those even for iPhones. Your point?


Seems like there are still issues even after the update.
Confirmed it was not a hardware issue which means it will be fixed unlike some other hardware manufacturer with yellow tint on several generation hardware


Just bought a 6s plus 128. Have no issues with 3dt, so I know which one is better.:rolleyes:
You must have large hands then because it's impossible to reach the top of the screen on the 7 Plus and activate 3DT with one hand

Bluetooth drain is a myth and airdrop is easy, peasy to use.
My iPhone lasts longer when my AW is not connected to it which proves it's not a myth. It's also not easier than NFC which is why Apple is allowing NFC share in iOS 11

LCD ain't going away and Apple will be into micro-led, which hopefully will put a nail on the coffin of burn in.
Considering the amount of time spent on the outdated LCD tech in their phones you can bet that OLED is gonna be around for the next 7 years at least.
Even if it's ready for production Apple will first test drive it on AW before releasing on the iPhone so we are a looooooooooooong way from seeing it on iPhones.

It's an opinion. The s8 is a slippery little one requiring a case, the iPhone 7 or 7+ is not as slippery.
Hahahahahaha that's a good one. Every single iPhone I have used is impossible to use without a case. The back is so damn slippery that when I wear loose clothes and keep it in my pocket it gets ejected the moment I open the car door and sit inside. In hand using a case is the only way to have it generate some friction and not drop it.

It's the reason why Jet Black was released which resolves this issue somewhat. In any case the issue of slipperiness is only aggravated when a phone is hard to hold which the S8 Plus is not being smaller than an iPhone 7 Plus and almost the size of the 7

Nice that you are playing fast and loose with Samsungs money. I'm sure they would disagree that the loss of 8 billion to their mobile phone division is a drop in the bucket.

For a company who just generated the highest profit on the planet I am sure the board is toasting each other as we speak and no one even remembers that irrelevant loss you are grasping on to.

In any case Samsung thanks Apple for compensating them for the Note 7 loss.
 
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Continuing with the on-topic discussion Really happy for Samsung :)but how does their profits in the appliance and semi-conductor mean anything related to mobile devices especially after the note 7 fiasco.

But weren't their appliances exploding?
 

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So we can now conclude both iOS and Android lag. iOS ha regressed in this area while Android progressed and they are now dead even.
The internet seems to indicate that touchwiz lag is generally worse than what is seen on iOS.


You will find those even for iPhones. Your point?
Is that why lg tvs are being returned because of burn in?


Confirmed it was not a hardware issue which means it will be fixed unlike some other hardware manufacturer with yellow tint on several generation hardware
According to reputable posters that "software update" doesn't solve the problem.

You must have large hands then because it's impossible to reach the top of the screen on the 7 Plus and activate 3DT with one hand
I don't know not an issue for me.


My iPhone lasts longer when my AW is not connected to it which proves it's not a myth. It's also not easier than NFC which is why Apple is allowing NFC share in iOS 11
How's NFC for streaming music to wireless headphones? Our deflecting, airdrop is not a battery drainer as you claim.

Considering the amount of time spent on the outdated LCD tech in their phones you can bet that OLED is gonna be around for the next 7 years at least.
Even if it's ready for production Apple will first test drive it on AW before releasing on the iPhone so we are a looooooooooooong way from seeing it on iPhones.
Or not. Could be coming sooner than that. You really don't know. At least LCD doesn't burn in.

Hahahahahaha that's a good one. Every single iPhone I have used is impossible to use without a case. The back is so damn slippery that when I wear loose clothes and keep it in my pocket it gets ejected the moment I open the car door and sit inside. In hand using a case is the only way to have it generate some friction and not drop it.
Absolutely malarkey. That s8 is much more slippery than every iPhone.

For a company who just generated the highest profit on the planet I am sure the board is toasting each other as we speak and no one even remembers that irrelevant loss you are grasping on to.

In any case Samsung thanks Apple for compensating them for the Note 7 loss.
Great that you're playing fast and loose with Samsungs losses in the mobile division. Their profits have nothing to do with the division that took a drubbing due to the note 7 fiasco. Can't just erase $8b. (I guess one can if it's not their money)
 

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Need a case on the s8 to handle comfortably, not so on the iPhone 7(+). Imo.
You have a S8? I can handle the S8 easier than the regular iPhone 7, I got both. With dry hands the iPhone moves like a freakin soap in my hand, glass gives more friction.
 

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The internet seems to indicate that touchwiz lag is generally worse than what is seen on iOS.
Nothing but a meme circulated to be the cool guy on the block. Its just like how people make wisecracks about Internet Explorer on Windows despite the newer versions being smoother than chrome



Is that why lg tvs are being returned because of burn in?
Is that why every iPhone needs 5 exchanges before settling on one without yellow tint?


According to reputable posters that "software update" doesn't solve the problem.
If it wasnt fixed than I see it nothing more than a fixable iPhone yellow tint variant issue

1) Samsung has acknowledged this issue and released a software fix. they also encouraged people to return their devices if the fix doesn't help to mitigate it. 2) all mentioned above display anomalies are due to QA during OLED manufacturing process and automatic factory calibration that doesn't adjust to such anomalies.

However some of my acquaintances no longer have that tint


I don't know not an issue for me.
Its an issue for people with small hands which Samsung solved with the S8

How's NFC for streaming music to wireless headphones? Our deflecting, airdrop is not a battery drainer as you claim.
I use wired headphones with the highest sound quality and no lag. Airdrop enables bluetooth which drains battery.

Are you seriosuly trying to get me to explain how bluetooth uses battery?I mean itsb een that way since my Sony days in 2005


Or not. Could be coming sooner than that. You really don't know. At least LCD doesn't burn in.
LCD suffers from perpetual yellow tint for generations on end and dead pixels and backlight bleed. MicroLED will come with its own fair share of issues


Absolutely malarkey. That s8 is much more slippery than every iPhone.
No its not. The reason Apple invented Jet Black was BECAUSE the iPhone was handling like a bar of soap when naked. The Jet Black can be a match for the S8 in the slipperiness department but loses when it comes to "handability" and durability


Great that you're playing fast and loose with Samsungs losses in the mobile division. Their profits have nothing to do with the division that took a drubbing due to the note 7 fiasco. Can't just erase $8b. (I guess one can if it's not their money)

If I lose 40 bucks on the highway, will I lose sleep over it? That is the equivalent of Samsung's position here
 
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