Samsung Galaxy Note 5 Design Flaw

[sartrekid]

Also, please stop the whole "children or handicapped people can easily re-insert this incorrectly and so it's Samsung's fault for not addressing this" argument. Not only is this a false example, it's also a sinister use of children and handicapped people just to claim Samsung's designs are poor and/or flawed.

What? This has to be a joke...

"Using" a group of people to slam Samsung? Really? Wow.

The length at which some people go to somehow turn the mentioning of a design oversight into some absurdly bizarre anti-Samsung agenda is quite scary and fairly ludicrous. How can anyone even come to such a conclusion like above? Not everyone on here is a teenage fanboy/girl who blindly worships. This is getting beyond stupid.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

Are ****tards not entitled to own a device in your world?

They can own anything they want, but to suggest that every manufacturer must be responsible for every idiotic think someone does with their product is a bit far fetched.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Who is using the handicap sinisterly again?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

What? This has to be a joke...

"Using" a group of people to slam Samsung? Really? Wow.

The length at which some people go to somehow turn the mentioning of a design oversight into some absurdly bizarre anti-Samsung agenda is quite scary and fairly ludicrous. How can anyone even come to such a conclusion like above? Not everyone on here is a teenage fanboy/girl who blindly worships. This is getting beyond stupid.

The actual example about disabled users was put across very eloquently and highlighted that guided access is an element that manufacturers consider when designing these devices. Nothing was cheap or sinister in the example. I'm sure many of us have close friends or family members who have special needs but may also enjoy living normal lives and enjoying technology.

Now it seems the original point has been lost and the example about disabled users is being demonised in order to make it sound like a cheap angle instead of a legitimate point. Shame on those posters I say.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

You accidentally drop the phone in water, too bad, it happens, but it was the users fault, the phone isn't promoted as being waterproof.

It's a design flaw Samsung didn't make it float.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Only the mods can save us from this ********* now. There is no going back. Lock this thing and erase it from everyones memory. Please!!

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

Jesus, someone brought up Jerry's kids? WTF?

 

[sartrekid]

Has everything to do with it. Some Z models had/have heat issues even when used litely or just for pics, which then caused the glue to weaken and rear glass to lift, making them no longer water resistant.

Unless I misunderstand what you're actually trying to say, I don't see how this is relevant to anything we've been discussing here. What's the relevance to the discussion of user error when some Z models are advertised as being water resistant and turn out not to be? I've never experienced these issues with my Xperia models, but if true, then what you describe is as far from user error as it can be, we're talking about either defective devices or false advertisements, not user errors.

 

[I7guy]

This just out....don't drive the wrong way down a one way street and don't drive backwards down any street. The results of doing so will be called user error.

These aren't really proper use cases of example of user error as it relates to this example. It's all to easy to forget and insert the pen the wrong way; there is nothing stopping you. Compare that to driving my down a one way street and ignoring the signage. Not the same thing.

 

[Tsepz]

Unless I misunderstand what you're actually trying to say, I don't see how this is relevant to anything we've been discussing here. What's the relevance to the discussion of user error when some Z models are advertised as being water resistant and turn out not to be? I've never experienced these issues with my Xperia models, but if true, then what you describe is as far from user error as it can be, we're talking about either defective devices or false advertisements, not user errors.

I was pointing out a true design flaw, that the manufacturer wasn't prepared to fix.

 

[gotluck]

lol

 

[pdqgp]

These aren't really proper use cases of example of user error as it relates to this example. It's all to easy to forget and insert the pen the wrong way; there is nothing stopping you. Compare that to driving my down a one way street and ignoring the signage. Not the same thing.

Sure they are. There's only one correct way to drive down a street, facing forward and not driving into traffic. Just about every day we hear about people going the wrong way down freeway entrance ramps. I drive in Boston, NY, DC a lot and see it all the time there too. Usually rental cars and tourists. Besides, my point was loaded with sarcasm.

The fact is we were discussing a stylus that could have had the most minimal effort put into its final conception by adding a taper or notch to stop it being forced backwards into a device. The paths this discussion has taken is bizarre in the extreme.

and in return we're talking about even less effort needed by the user at simply not putting a stylus away pointy side out. Again, who does that and thinks it's correct?

It's a design flaw Samsung didn't make it float.

^^ Best comment in 17 pages. LOL.

Only the mods can save us from this ********* now. There is no going back. Lock this thing and erase it from everyones memory. Please!!

No going back and no deleting of posts. Design flaws for sure.

 

[sartrekid]

I was pointing out a true design flaw, that the manufacturer wasn't prepared to fix.

My Xperia was advertised as water resistant and is water resistant, but that's one meager experience and has little weight. If all Xperia models are advertised as being water resistant and it turns out that "some" are indeed not water resistant, then that's abhorrently bad design, not even a flaw because a design flaw would affect ALL devices, not just "some".

With the Note 5 it's a completely different story. The Note 5's pen was designed to go in one way. What some of us are saying is that it is an oversight in an otherwise premium built device when a design breaks if you accidentally insert a pen the wrong way without applying pressure or brute force and thus is extremely fragile in THAT regard, and that regard only, compared to the previous Note models.

I'm pretty convinced it is an oversight as some early users (as can be seen on Youtube) received the Note 5 where the manual doesn't even state that the pen feature can break. So, it's clear to me that Samsung didn't intend for the pen feature to be this fragile and added that note of caution to the manual at a later time.

I'm sure they'll change it, make the pen insertion mechanics more robust in their next version.

 

[Surf Donkey]

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lol

according to some here, this is exactly what the engineers wanted to happen. bonuses for everyone!

 

[I7guy]

Sure they are. There's only one correct way to drive down a street, facing forward and not driving into traffic. Just about every day we hear about people going the wrong way down freeway entrance ramps. I drive in Boston, NY, DC a lot and see it all the time there too. Usually rental cars and tourists. Besides, my point was loaded with sarcasm.



and in return we're talking about even less effort needed by the user at simply not putting a stylus away pointy side out. Again, who does that and thinks it's correct?



^^ Best comment in 17 pages. LOL.



No going back and no deleting of posts. Design flaws for sure.

You're comparing an incompetent driver ignoring signage with someone easily inserting the pen upside down and calling them user error? They both are, but one should have their drivers license revoked and the other should send their engineers to design class 101. In any event in the latter the user is the beneficiary of sloppy engineering. This argument is a red-herring and no matter what
Lipstick on a pig won't change anything.

 

[Tsepz]

My Xperia was advertised as water resistant and is water resistant, but that's one meager experience and has little weight. If all Xperia models are advertised as being water resistant and it turns out that "some" are indeed not water resistant, then that's abhorrently bad design, not even a flaw because a design flaw would affect ALL devices, not just "some".

With the Note 5 it's a completely different story. The Note 5's pen was designed to go in one way. What some of us are saying is that it is an oversight in an otherwise premium built device when a design breaks if you accidentally insert a pen the wrong way without applying pressure or brute force and thus is extremely fragile in THAT regard, and that regard only, compared to the previous Note models.

I'm pretty convinced it is an oversight as some early users (as can be seen on Youtube) received the Note 5 where the manual doesn't even state that the pen feature can break. So, it's clear to me that Samsung didn't intend for the pen feature to be this fragile and added that note of caution to the manual at a later time.

I'm sure they'll change it, make the pen insertion mechanics more robust in their next version.

It doesn't take much force to put the Note 4 pen backwards, its actually easy TBH. But again, one can see how its meant to go in.

Btw, how many Note 5 users have done this by mistake and broken their Note5? Would be interesting to get some numbers.

 

[pdqgp]

according to some here, this is exactly what the engineers wanted to happen. bonuses for everyone!

Believe what you want but in the grand scheme it' not really a big deal. IMO the Vast Majority of people who see this will LOL at it and snicker at people who actually stuck their stylus in backwards and got it stuck. I know if I saw a co-worker do it, my first question would be "why would you stick it in backwards?"

 

[Surf Donkey]

It doesn't take much force to put the Note 4 pen backwards, its actually easy TBH. But again, one can see how its meant to go in.

Btw, how many Note 5 users have done this by mistake and broken their Note5? Would be interesting to get some numbers.

Doesn't break functionality on the Note 4. That is good engineering. If something like that can easily go in backwards, it shouldn't break anything.

You'll get those when Apple release the number of bending phones returned. And this isn't something that will happen in the first week. Mistakes can happen at any time during the life of the phone. So we never really will know the numbers.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

and in return we're talking about even less effort needed by the user at simply not putting a stylus away pointy side out. Again, who does that and thinks it's correct?

Nobody. Absolutely nobody in this thread has said by doing so is anything other than 'user error'. The whole point of this discussion has been about preventing a simple, silly mistake through improving design. I find it astounding we are this far into this thread and people like you are suggesting something like this. It makes me wonder if any of the points made have actually be read and digested? It makes sense now why I've read so many silly counter examples like driving a car through your own house! lol. The flamin interwebs, my goodness.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Believe what you want but in the grand scheme it' not really a big deal. IMO the Vast Majority of people who see this will LOL at it and snicker at people who actually stuck their stylus in backwards and got it stuck. I know if I saw a co-worker do it, my first question would be "why would you stick it in backwards?"

You guys are truly more intelligent than everyone else. Must be awesome to never put a pen cap on wrong, look for your glasses when they are on your head or drop a drink. Good for you!

I guess the rest of us are god's little flaws....er.... user errors.

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

You guys are truly more intelligent than everyone else.

I'd say it's burden but it really isn't.

 

[pdqgp]

You're comparing an incompetent driver ignoring signage with someone easily inserting the pen upside down and calling them user error? They both are, but one should have their drivers license revoked and the other should simply return their phone and buy a Galaxy 6+

FIIFY

 

[pdqgp]

Must be awesome to never put a pen cap on wrong

I mess up a lot of things but I gotta admit, I've never messed up a pen cap.

 

[pdqgp]

Doesn't break functionality on the Note 4. That is good engineering. If something like that can easily go in backwards, it shouldn't break anything.

So you've tested this?

 

[Surf Donkey]

So you've tested this?

Nope, plenty of evidence out there. Just google it.