Samsung Galaxy Note 5 Design Flaw

[jamezr]

I'm not gonna go crazy with comparisons here but doesn't the note 5 issue mean that it breaks the spen detection? All the reviewers and YouTube videos referenced make mention of this. That's a hardware issue to me, even allowing the stylus to be inserted backward.

The apple pencil isn't the most elegant thing I've seen but you cannot insert it backwards in an iPad pro. It's not a slot loading piece, it's a separate accessory. The insertion of it to charge doesn't break anything either. And it's not meant to stay there long hence the 15 seconds=30 min charge. The pencil even has its own dongle.

And.......if people will put a pen in backwards......they same people will insert the pencil into their ipad pro and sit down and break the pencil off into the lightning port.

 

[jamezr]

very desperate attempt to show how one can misuse a product purposefully vs making a basic mistake and inserting the pen backwards and potentially breaking the parts. I would have hoped you would have been discussing that distinction; but oh well.

Agree with you that it is a mistake and user error to insert the s-pen in backwards. But inserting the pencil into the lightning port is designed usage. This is a design flaw and very obvious to everyone. This is an accident waiting to happen.

 

[I7guy]

And.......if people will put a pen in backwards......they same people will insert the pen into their ipad pro and sit down and break the pencil off into the lightning port.

My guess is Apple did some useability testing as opposed to Samsung who obviously didn't.

 

[jamezr]

The assumption is that it's easier to make a MISTAKE putting the pen in backwards as there is no indication then for the 15 seconds the pen is in the charging port the iPad pro will not be dropped on its side as has been suggested by purposefully misusing the product.

the same people who will mistakenly misuse use the s-pen and put it in backwards.......will no doubt leave the pencil in longer than 15 seconds.

 

[apolloa]

Then according to your thinking Samsung devices that support 4k recording are flawed because they shut down due to overheating according to youtube videos. Basically according to your thinking everything is flawed because there is a finite limit on this world; Samsung devices run out of battery, cars run out of gas, etc. smh.

I not aware of any new Samsung devices using the exynos processor shutting down when recording in 4k. Care to post a video to back that claim up?
Also you've completely taken out of context what I said.

 

[jamezr]

My guess is Apple did some useability testing as opposed to Samsung who obviously didn't.

Care to share that evidence of all this testing you speak of? Your opinion is not the same. Reasonable people will look at this picture and see that it is a flawed design and an accident waiting to happen through misuse of the product.

 

[apolloa]

My guess is Apple did some useability testing as opposed to Samsung who obviously didn't.

Wow, so now you are claiming to have inside knowledge of both Apples and Samsung's R&D and testing teams.

 

[I7guy]

the same people who will mistakenly misuse use the s-pen and put it in backwards.......will no doubt leave the pencil in longer than 15 seconds.

Much of this thread is based on the slippery slope. What started out as a fact, turned into everything else in the world. The iPad pro charging port is on the same slippery slope.

 

[apolloa]

Much of this thread is based on the slippery slope. What started out as a fact, turned into everything else in the world. The iPad pro charging port is on the same slippery slope.

So now you are backtracking, making bogus flawed unproven claims and changing the topic every time someone challenges you on it. Is your aim to get this thread closed?

 

[jamezr]

So now you are backtracking, making bogus flawed unproven claims and changing the topic every time someone challenges you on it. Is your aim to get this thread closed?

That is what he does a LOT of the time when proven wrong. He tries to derail the thread.

 

[I7guy]

Care to share that evidence of all this testing you speak of? Your opinion is not the same. Reasonable people will look at this picture and see that it is a flawed design and an accident waiting to happen through misuse of the product.

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I did say guess; and no reasonable people will be a bit more savvy than you claim to intentionally not do as the picture shows. Could it happen accidentally, sure. Could it fall one your foot and break your toe while the pen is breaking? Sure? Slippery slope again.

Much different than making a basic mistake.

 

[jamezr]

I did say guess; and no reasonable people will be a bit more savvy than you claim to intentionally not do as the picture shows. Could it happen accidentally, sure. Could it fall one your foot and break your toe while the pen is breaking? Sure? Slippery slope again.

Much different than making a basic mistake.

Almost the same. Except inserting the s pen in backwards is user error. Inserting the pencil in the lightening port of the iPad pro is designed use.

 

[I7guy]

So now you are backtracking, making bogus flawed unproven claims and changing the topic every time someone challenges you on it. Is your aim to get this thread closed?

Because you can't distinguish a slippery slope argument you label it as backtracking? Interesting.

 

[I7guy]

Almost the same. Except inserting the s pen in backwards is user error. Inserting the pencil in the lightening port of the iPad pro is designed use.

But you assume, which is a slippery slope, there is a chain of events leading to some damage..when in fact there may not be any. And yes it's designed for a 15 second charge to work as illustrated.

 

[jamezr]

But you assume, which is a slippery slope, there is a chain of events leading to some damage..when in fact there may not be any. And yes it's designed for a 15 second charge to work as illustrated.

And you and everyone else in this thread assume wrongly that people will insert the spen in backwards. See how that works both ways. You seem to be changing your tune now. Not such a hard stance on the spen issue. While totally giving apple a pass in poor design of the pencil being inserted into the iPad.

 

[apolloa]

Because you can't distinguish a slippery slope argument you label it as backtracking? Interesting.

No it's because you are deliberately accusing Samsung users as stupid and that they will insert the S Pen in backwards, yet according to you Apple users will not break the Apple Pencil because they are more 'savy'.
You are deliberately stereotyping people based entirely on the make of phone they use. In a way claiming Note 5 users are stupid and iPad Pro users are intelligent savy people.

The ultimate Apple Apologist. The reason that phrase was invented.

 

[I7guy]

And you and everyone else in this thread assume wrongly that people will insert the spen in backwards. See how that works both ways. You seem to be changing your tune now. Not such a hard stance on the spen issue. While totally giving apple a pass in poor design of the pencil being inserted into the iPad.

No sir. Let me try to summarize:
- the jist of the thread is Samsung gaffed on the design of the spen of the note 5 as it can be inserted backwards without any resistance and potentially damaging the phone if not removed properly.

Unfortunately you and others have taken the opportunity to start a bunch of other red-herring and sometimes silly arguments, which would be a fail in debate class.

 

[I7guy]

No it's because you are deliberately accusing Samsung users as stupid and that they will insert the S Pen in backwards, yet according to you Apple users will not break the Apple Pencil because they are more 'savy'.
You are deliberately stereotyping people based entirely on the make of phone they use. In a way claiming Note 5 users are stupid and iPad Pro users are intelligent savy people.

The ultimate Apple Apologist. The reason that phrase was invented.

Edit: not worth it.

 

[jamezr]

No sir. Let me try to summarize:
- the jist of the thread is Samsung gaffed on the design of the spen of the note 5 as it can be inserted backwards without any resistance and potentially damaging the phone if not removed properly.

Unfortunately you and others have taken the opportunity to start a bunch of other red-herring and sometimes silly arguments, which would be a fail in debate class.

lol...really thats your stance?
The spen if used as designed works correctly. User errors can happen and if inserted backwards can break software detection on the Note 5.

The pencil is DESIGNED to be charged by inserting it into the lightning port on the ipad pro.
Oh I can't wait for all the youtube videos of the pencil break off into the ipad pro. It will be quite entertaining.....
Yeah.......this looks like great design to me. If people can mistakenly insert a spen in backwards all the while feeling the SHARP end of the pen letting them know it is not correct..........just think how many people will follow apple's directions like in the picture below and get the pencil snapped off.

 

[g0df4th3r]

No sir. Let me try to summarize:
- the jist of the thread is Samsung gaffed on the design of the spen of the note 5 as it can be inserted backwards without any resistance and potentially damaging the phone if not removed properly.

Unfortunately you and others have taken the opportunity to start a bunch of other red-herring and sometimes silly arguments, which would be a fail in debate class.

You are the one that can't backed up your stupid arguments. You've been caught many times flip flopping in this subforum.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

That's a flawed analogy as with the camcorder you can just fit another SD card, not so with the iPhone and your not going to upload 4K video to the cloud on cellular.

It is a flaw because it severely limits the use of the features of the device, advertised to sell the device, by design.
Take games, I can think of several multi gigabyte top selling games, so you can have 3 of those and what 10 mins of 4K video recording.
To say the user should should be knowledgeable is to apologise for Apples flaws.
The IPhone 6 can just about get away with 16gb as it doesn't have 12mpx photos with sound and 4k videos. If you then start adding more storage hungry features and by design keep the storage the same in my mind it is a flaw.

I'm not apologising for Apple's flaws, I already said it was a specification flaw as opposed to a design flaw. If 16GB isn't enough, buy either of the alternative storage options. I would imagine when you choose an iPhone it's the storage that is the only real consideration anyway as the phone is essentially the same in every other way.

I buy the 64GB so couldn't care either way to be honest.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The fanboyism of this guy is to the roof. When it comes to the iPad Pro you assume that people will be very careful and accident won't happen for the 15sec charge. Yet when it comes to the Note 5 you assume that people will definitely put it backwards. Unf***ngbelievable.

You are the one that can't backed up your stupid arguments. You've been caught many times flip flopping in this subforum.

In fairness to him though he stands by his points and remains civil while others belittle and insult him. Whether you agree with him or not you have to admire his maturity in many of these discussions when confronted by the alternative clique.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Then according to your thinking Samsung devices that support 4k recording are flawed because they shut down due to overheating according to youtube videos.

I tried a ton of possible search combinations to find a Youtube video as you mention. Found nothing.

So do you have a source for your claim?

 

[apolloa]

I'm not apologising for Apple's flaws, I already said it was a specification flaw as opposed to a design flaw. If 16GB isn't enough, buy either of the alternative storage options. I would imagine when you choose an iPhone it's the storage that is the only real consideration anyway as the phone is essentially the same in every other way.

I buy the 64GB so couldn't care either way to be honest.

I will still call it a design flaw. I would agree in just buy the higher storage model, but this is 2015 and a 16gb phone costing £539 just doesn't cut it anymore, its a device designed by bean counters and marketing.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I will still call it a design flaw. I would agree in just buy the higher storage model, but this is 2015 and a 16gb phone costing £539 just doesn't cut it a anymore, its a device designed by bean counters and marketing.

Call it a design flaw then, we are picking over small details here.

I would call it Apples arrogance in trying to give away as little as possible for the same amount of money. I couldn't get by on 16GB so I don't buy it.