Samsung Galaxy Note 5 Design Flaw

[KillaMac]

I don't know? But I read on here that on the Note 4 it only goes in one way?

Oh no, it goes in both ways. I just did it carefully but only stuck it in about 1/4 way.

 

[KillaMac]

Please provide the same information about the pen going in backwards breaks a N5. It doesn't..... The pen can be pulled back out and the phone works as designed.

It does. Read this.

http://9to5google.com/2015/08/25/ex...e-note-5s-s-pen-is-put-in-backwards-teardown/

 

[jamezr]

It does. Read this.

http://9to5google.com/2015/08/25/ex...e-note-5s-s-pen-is-put-in-backwards-teardown/

I have read it.....does it break the Note 5? No it does not. The phone will work as designed after the user error of inserting the stylus in backward. The stylus can be removed and the only thing that will not work afterward is the stylus notification. the rest of the phone works as designed.
From the article you posted

Anyway, if you happen to tug hard enough (which isn’t very hard at all) on the S Pen once you’re past Lever 2, because it’s a thin little piece of plastic it will probably break as it did in the case of the Note 5 in the image above. Once that little lever is broken, there’s no restoring the S Pen detection functionality. In fact, fiddling around inside of the hole with any tools could further damage this lever if you hadn’t already during the backwards S Pen removal process.

Only thing broken is a little plastic lever that detects when the s-pen is removed to trigger software. Otherwise the phones works as designed.

Now back on topic...inserting the pencil into the iPad Pro lightning port can break it off in there. Now how do you charge your ipad? Now you have a broken ipad and $100 pencil. Not a very good design IMHO.
There is a chance of breaking both devices.....

 

[bobob]

I have read it.....does it break the Note 5? No it does not. The phone will work as designed after the user error of inserting the stylus in backward.

Heh! That is a hilariously myopic definition of unbroken.

Now back on topic ...inserting the pencil into the iPad Pro lightning port can break it off in there. Now how do you charge your ipad? Now you have a broken ipad and $100 pencil. Not a very good design IMHO.
There is a chance of breaking both devices.....

Better have another look at this thread's title.

 

[jamezr]

Heh! That is a hilariously myopic definition of not broken.





Better have another look at the thread title.

So what was broken on the Note 5?
The replies to my post were about the iPad Pro and Pencil designed to be inserted into the iPad Pro lightning port to charge it. That is a huge accident waiting to happen.
Furthermore.....it is DESIGNED to be used this way....

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

So what was broken on the Note 5?

The S-Pen detection breaks on the Note 5 if you put it in backwards and force it out. That's most likely a phone replacement, or just gotta live without the S-Pen detection.

 

[jamezr]

The S-Pen detection breaks on the Note 5 if you put it in backwards and force it out. That's most likely a phone replacement, or just gotta live without the S-Pen detection.

Agreed...... But the phone is not broken and will function practically as normal except for the s-pen notifications.

 

[Will22]

I wonder what it's like for Samsung supporters to be working out here in the backcountry of a Mac forum?

It would be so easy to choose to support their chosen Korean manufacturer on one of the big technology blogs' comments section, or even on one of the main Android forums where they can be amongst others with the same sympathies. But I suppose it's like back in the days of the missionaries travelling to darkest Africa - - somebody has to get the word out to the heathens about the one true corporation. Samsung be praised!


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Edit: Check out who responded to this post below.

Do you not think that most of the people in this part of the website have apple products of some kind and that is why they registered here. Myself I have an iPhone 6 and Air 2 but I also have an interest in all the other operating systems.

 

[I7guy]

So what was broken on the Note 5?
The replies to my post were about the iPad Pro and Pencil designed to be inserted into the iPad Pro lightning port to charge it. That is a huge accident waiting to happen.
Furthermore.....it is DESIGNED to be used this way....

A huge accident waiting to happen is that your best guess? How do you know the mechanism wasnt designed to be accident proof? Or are you thinking people will just jam the stylus end into the charging end? Or for the 15 seconds it's in for a rapid charge there is the potential to break the thing?

 

[bobob]

Do you not think that most of the people in this part of the website have apple products of some kind and that is why they registered here.

I wish it were true, however having been a member here for almost 8 years, I have witnessed the striking influx of trolls and shills. There are indeed many here who will legitimately and rationally argue the merits of competing systems and products, but they are sadly in the minority nowadays.

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Edit: It didn't take long for someone to out themselves as part of the influx, as can be seen in the reply quoting this post below.

 

[Will22]

I wish it were true, however having been a member here for almost 8 years, I have witnessed the striking influx of trolls and shills. There are indeed many here who will legitimately and rationally argue the merits of competing systems and products, but they are sadly in the minority nowadays.

I wish I favoured just one operating system, it would be a lot cheaper that's for sure. I'm the last one to back up Samsung but they make the best camera out of all the phone brands but I do hope that changes on the 25th when I get my 6s

I don't see the point of blindly standing up for any of brands, they all have there bad, good and great points and none of them are perfect. I hated my first S6 edge that was on 5.0.2 but loved my second one that was on 5.1.1 but I still sold it last weekend because I just wasn't using it much compared to my iP6 but I have that jailbroken so it has a certain amount of androidness to it.

 

[mi7chy]

I wish it were true, however having been a member here for almost 8 years, I have witnessed the striking influx of trolls and shills. There are indeed many here who will legitimately and rationally argue the merits of competing systems and products, but they are sadly in the minority nowadays.

You're an Apple noob. I've owned Apple since Apple IIe unenhanced.

 

[KillaMac]

I have read it.....does it break the Note 5? No it does not. The phone will work as designed after the user error of inserting the stylus in backward. The stylus can be removed and the only thing that will not work afterward is the stylus notification. the rest of the phone works as designed.
From the article you posted


Only thing broken is a little plastic lever that detects when the s-pen is removed to trigger software. Otherwise the phones works as designed.

Now back on topic...inserting the pencil into the iPad Pro lightning port can break it off in there. Now how do you charge your ipad? Now you have a broken ipad and $100 pencil. Not a very good design IMHO.
There is a chance of breaking both devices.....

Wow really? The Note 5 does break when you insert and pull it out. On the other hand, the ipad pencil DOES NOT BREAK. If it broke off inside the slot, you can dig it out without damaging the ipad itself and just get a new pencil.

 

[jamezr]

Wow really? The Note 5 does break when you insert and pull it out. On the other hand, the ipad pencil DOES NOT BREAK. If it broke off inside the slot, you can dig it out without damaging the ipad itself and just get a new pencil.

Wow really? So what breaks on the Note 5 when you put the stylus in backward? Please tell how the phone is broken after that? Because apparently you know more than the reviewers and countless youtube videos. So please do explain. It doesn;t break it. The phone will work as normal except for the spen notifications.

But Hey.....this looks like great design to me.......... It doesn't look like it will break at all!
Sitting on the sofa with this thing hanging out of a 12 inch tablet looks so natural.
It looks so safe........even with kids or the dog running around. This is great design! That will not put any pressure at all on the pencil or the lightning port at all. Your right it will never break off that way! what was I thinking! /s

 

[apolloa]

Which carriers advertise unlimited with stellar coast to coast coverage? Which carriers don't have unlimited with stellar coast to coast.

this line of thinking is no different than saying an expensive car will be totaled when smashed against a brick wall; it's a design flaw.

But good try, let's see how many 6s apple really sells.

Oh here we go, when an Apple fan is in a corner they pull out the old sales numbers. As if it has ANYTHING to do with the discussion. Oh and the IPhone 6s will sell bellow the 6, the Apple Gods KGI stated so.
Oh and I have limited data, I'm not in a city where I can use any provider so I have to have a provider with a limited data plan.

It's still not a design flaw, that statement is false in this sense. As somebody has said, it is down to the consumer to buy the right sized storage option if they wish to use endless data on 4K recording. If anything this is a specification flaw on Apples part. A 16GB iPhone will still perform and do the same as a 64GB, to a point but that is at the discretion of the user. It won't break the phone like a removable part on other devices. If they are educated enough to identify the need for 4K recording, one would hope they know it needs enough space to back it up. Perhaps Apple could offer advice on this if confusion is apparent?

If you go to a wedding with your camcorder and only take an 8GB Sandisk SD card while expecting to shoot the entire day, what is at fault? The card for being too small on space or your choice? It's self explanatory.

That's a flawed analogy as with the camcorder you can just fit another SD card, not so with the iPhone and your not going to upload 4K video to the cloud on cellular.

It is a flaw because it severely limits the use of the features of the device, advertised to sell the device, by design.
Take games, I can think of several multi gigabyte top selling games, so you can have 3 of those and what 10 mins of 4K video recording.
To say the user should should be knowledgeable is to apologise for Apples flaws.
The IPhone 6 can just about get away with 16gb as it doesn't have 12mpx photos with sound and 4k videos. If you then start adding more storage hungry features and by design keep the storage the same in my mind it is a flaw.

 

[apolloa]

Wow really? The Note 5 does break when you insert and pull it out. On the other hand, the ipad pencil DOES NOT BREAK. If it broke off inside the slot, you can dig it out without damaging the ipad itself and just get a new pencil.

So you've tested breaking the Apple pencil first hand, read reports about it?

 

[jamezr]

A huge accident waiting to happen is that your best guess? How do you know the mechanism wasnt designed to be accident proof? Or are you thinking people will just jam the stylus end into the charging end? Or for the 15 seconds it's in for a rapid charge there is the potential to break the thing?

OMG........you are like leading a horse dying of thirst to water and they are kicking and screaming and fighting the whole way.
If putting a stylus in backwards in the note 5....even though you have to push on the POINTED SHARP end to do so is an accident and bad design.......

Then this is even worse design and more of an accident waiting to happen when used as DESIGNED!

 

[Truefan31]

Wow really? So what breaks on the Note 5 when you put the stylus in backward? Please tell how the phone is broken after that? Because apparently you know more than the reviewers and countless youtube videos. So please do explain. It doesn;t break it. The phone will work as normal except for the spen notifications.

But Hey.....this looks like great design to me.......... It doesn't look like it will break at all!
Sitting on the sofa with this thing hanging out of a 12 inch tablet looks so natural.
It looks so safe........even with kids or the dog running around. This is great design! That will not put any pressure at all on the pencil or the lightning port at all. Your right it will never break off that way! what was I thinking! /s

I'm not gonna go crazy with comparisons here but doesn't the note 5 issue mean that it breaks the spen detection? All the reviewers and YouTube videos referenced make mention of this. That's a hardware issue to me, even allowing the stylus to be inserted backward.

The apple pencil isn't the most elegant thing I've seen but you cannot insert it backwards in an iPad pro. It's not a slot loading piece, it's a separate accessory. The insertion of it to charge doesn't break anything either. And it's not meant to stay there long hence the 15 seconds=30 min charge. The pencil even has its own dongle.

 

[Truefan31]

Oh here we go, when an Apple fan is in a corner they pull out the old sales numbers. As if it has ANYTHING to do with the discussion. Oh and the IPhone 6s will sell bellow the 6, the Apple Gods KGI stated so.
Oh and I have limited data, I'm not in a city where I can use any provider so I have to have a provider with a limited data plan.



That's a flawed analogy as with the camcorder you can just fit another SD card, not so with the iPhone and your not going to upload 4K video to the cloud on cellular.

It is a flaw because it severely limits the use of the features of the device, advertised to sell the device, by design.
Take games, I can think of several multi gigabyte top selling games, so you can have 3 of those and what 10 mins of 4K video recording.
To say the user should should be knowledgeable is to apologise for Apples flaws.
The IPhone 6 can just about get away with 16gb as it doesn't have 12mpx photos with sound and 4k videos. If you then start adding more storage hungry features and by design keep the storage the same in my mind it is a flaw.

If you want to view it as a design flaw so be it. But it's not a hardware flaw that breaks part of the phone. 16gb can be limiting but it doesn't break anything. You can still utilize everything on the phone.

 

[sc4rf4c3]

A huge accident waiting to happen is that your best guess? How do you know the mechanism wasnt designed to be accident proof? Or are you thinking people will just jam the stylus end into the charging end? Or for the 15 seconds it's in for a rapid charge there is the potential to break the thing?

The fanboyism of this guy is to the roof. When it comes to the iPad Pro you assume that people will be very careful and accident won't happen for the 15sec charge. Yet when it comes to the Note 5 you assume that people will definitely put it backwards. Unf***ngbelievable.

 

[I7guy]

OMG........you are like leading a horse dying of thirst to water and they are kicking and screaming and fighting the whole way.
If putting a stylus in backwards in the note 5....even though you have to push on the POINTED SHARP end to do so is an accident and bad design.......

Then this is even worse design and more of an accident waiting to happen when used as DESIGNED!

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very desperate attempt to show how one can misuse a product purposefully vs making a basic mistake and inserting the pen backwards and potentially breaking the parts. I would have hoped you would have been discussing that distinction; but oh well.

 

[apolloa]

If you want to view it as a design flaw so be it. But it's not a hardware flaw that breaks part of the phone. 16gb can be limiting but it doesn't break anything. You can still utilize everything on the phone.

It doesn't physically break the device, then again neither does the pen until you put it in the wrong way, you can take the pen back out using a piece of paper, slide it into the hole and ease the pen out. According to videos.
Apple should of removed the 4k recording from the 16gb model.

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The Apple Pencil solution to stick it out of the iPad Pro has to be the most un Apple design idea I've ever seen! It is crap, plain and simple and NOT what you expect from a device costing that much or designed by Apple. That pen better come with a cable you can plug in instead.

 

[I7guy]

Oh here we go, when an Apple fan is in a corner they pull out the old sales numbers. As if it has ANYTHING to do with the discussion. Oh and the IPhone 6s will sell bellow the 6, the Apple Gods KGI stated so.
Oh and I have limited data, I'm not in a city where I can use any provider so I have to have a provider with a limited data plan.



That's a flawed analogy as with the camcorder you can just fit another SD card, not so with the iPhone and your not going to upload 4K video to the cloud on cellular.

It is a flaw because it severely limits the use of the features of the device, advertised to sell the device, by design.
Take games, I can think of several multi gigabyte top selling games, so you can have 3 of those and what 10 mins of 4K video recording.
To say the user should should be knowledgeable is to apologise for Apples flaws.
The IPhone 6 can just about get away with 16gb as it doesn't have 12mpx photos with sound and 4k videos. If you then start adding more storage hungry features and by design keep the storage the same in my mind it is a flaw.

Then according to your thinking Samsung devices that support 4k recording are flawed because they shut down due to overheating according to youtube videos. Basically according to your thinking everything is flawed because there is a finite limit on this world; Samsung devices run out of battery, cars run out of gas, etc. smh.

 

[mclld]

facepalm at this thread and the time wasted on the arguments. Come on people, time to step away from the keyboards!

 

[I7guy]

The fanboyism of this guy is to the roof. When it comes to the iPad Pro you assume that people will be very careful and accident won't happen for the 15sec charge. Yet when it comes to the Note 5 you assume that people will definitely put it backwards. Unf***ngbelievable.

The assumption is that it's easier to make a MISTAKE putting the pen in backwards as there is no indication then for the 15 seconds the pen is in the charging port the iPad pro will not be dropped on its side as has been suggested by purposefully misusing the product.