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You don't think there are consumers everywhere replacing light switches and wall switches? It's actually one of the most basic simple and easy home fixes. Switches are like $.50 to $2ea too. Think again. Car batteries are pretty easy too. .

Funny you should mention that. I just replaced all my outlets with tamper proof ones this weekend. Yes, it was very easy and cheap to do (though I still will maintain MOST people call electricians for this work). Changing oil is easy in a car too, but hardly anyone does that themselves.

Anyways, I wired one of the outlets wrong. It was a dumb mistake. It is clearly marked how it should be wired. My wife was talking to me and I was distracted. Guess what happened when I threw my breaker. Nothing. The breaker flipped right back off. The house didn't break. My wiring didn't break. There are stops to prevent easy and stupid mistakes from causing damage. So I still don't see where your analogy holds up in relation to the stylus.
 
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Speaking of tamper proof outlets, perhaps that is ridiculous too right? Stupid babies trying to put things in outlets. They should know better!
 

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. The breaker flipped right back off. The house didn't break. My wiring didn't break. There are stops to prevent easy and stupid mistakes from causing damage. So I still don't see where your analogy holds up in relation to the stylus.

The breaker blue thanks to the device. Had it been a simple lamp it would not have. The metal base woukd stay "hot" and the lamp would function but through moment you touch the metal around the bilberry you'd receive a jolt. The breaker still likely wouldn't blow. You got lucky.
 

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The breaker blue thanks to the device. Had it been a simple lamp it would not have. The metal base woukd stay "hot" and the lamp would function but through moment you touch the metal around the bilberry you'd receive a jolt. The breaker still likely wouldn't blow. You got lucky.

Cool. To my point, most people don't know typical wiring. Awesome that you do, that doesn't make everyone else idiots though. And I am now ordering a tester to find how many more I messed up but don't know :) See how much better it is when we share knowledge and make things safer?

Still nothing to do with a stylus design.
 
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Cool. To my point, most people don't know typical wiring. Awesome that you do, that doesn't make everyone else idiots though.

I think most home owners, especially guys, feel comfortable replacing a simple switch. Most everyone I know does. We can debate that all day long. Never said not knowing it makes people idiots.

And I am now ordering a tester to find how many more I messed up but don't know :) See how much better it is when we share knowledge and make things safer?

They should have them at just about any hardware store. They are a simple three prong plug that you put into an outlet and it has three lights:

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Still nothing to do with a stylus design.

It has nothing to do with being related to a stylus. My point and many, many examples is that there are plenty of everyday actions and events that don't have a fool-proof mechanism in them. They are all solid examples and being related to a stylus or phone has nothing to do with it.

Everyone acts like OMG how could a company do this... Put down the drama-lama act and realize that there are plenty of things in life that require a bit of common sense. This is one of them.

Ironically I can put the stylus on my Lenovo laptop in backwards pretty easily too. I'll leave it at this though...I never have, never will nor have I even come close to doing it by accident. Same with my Stylus and I use it on my Note 3 just about every day.
 

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Yup, just bought that from Amazon. Thanks. Happy something can be learned from this mess of a thread.
 

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Ignoring light bulbs, accelerating through your house, putting diesel in your petrol tank and pushing poop back up ones backside; Are we now more tolerant with oversights from these tech giants, or will it always depend on which company it is?

I think that is the stand out question of this rather bizarre thread. Will the people here highlighting the issue excuse Apple if the 6S has similar design issues? And will the apologists here be regretting this thread when the temptation to swoop in on published fault makes the headlines on the next iPhone?

I think despite this discussion taking some strange turns, eventually it'll throw up some gems. :)
 
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Are we now more tolerant with oversights from these tech giants, or will it always depend on which company it is?

I will only speak for myself since I've been so vocal in this thread. I'm not tolerant; I do think the design could be better, but I don't "fault" Samsung either as to me it's a pretty simple design and concept that the pen only goes in one way. How anyone could really fubar that up is beyond me. I just don't see it happening day in and day out nor do we have evidence that it's even a problem in the marketplace.

I think that is the stand out question of this rather bizarre thread. Will the people here highlighting the issue excuse Apple if the 6S has similar design issues? And will the apologists here be regretting this thread when the temptation to swoop in on published fault makes the headlines on the next iPhone?

Not sure what issue Apple has had that is simliar. This IMO is more of a user screw up vs say Apple Maps which was clearly a programming issue. iOS 8 early on, not user error based.
 
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I will only speak for myself since I've been so vocal in this thread. I'm not tolerant; I do think the design could be better, but I don't "fault" Samsung either as to me it's a pretty simple design and concept that the pen only goes in one way. How anyone could really fubar that up is beyond me. I just don't see it happening day in and day out nor do we have evidence that it's even a problem in the marketplace.



Not sure what issue Apple has had that is simliar. This IMO is more of a user screw up vs say Apple Maps which was clearly a programming issue. iOS 8 early on, not user error based.
This is the part that can't be fully agreed on though. You refer to it as a user based error which it is for the majority, but you don't agree the design could be better, or you would have referred to that part in equal measure. This is why this discussion is so circular. One party suggests it's user error encouraged by design that could be improved and the other (people like yourself) lay all the blame on the user. It can't reach an end because of this. They might as well close the thread.

I must admit I can't think of what Apple have done that is similar either? Antenna gate, Maps, scuff gate, bend gate, were all things I poked fun at before and after I was an Apple user. They were unnecessary gaffs they could have avoided with better testing and design. Owning an iPhone doesn't suddenly make you immune from seeing faults. I don't owe Apple anything after all. Anyway.

Do this thread a favour mods please. :)
 

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I will only speak for myself since I've been so vocal in this thread. I'm not tolerant; I do think the design could be better, but I don't "fault" Samsung either as to me it's a pretty simple design and concept that the pen only goes in one way. How anyone could really fubar that up is beyond me. I just don't see it happening day in and day out nor do we have evidence that it's even a problem in the marketplace.
I agree with your train of thought here. I think the design could be better as well. But it still comes down to user error.
 

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I wonder what it's like for Samsung supporters to be working out here in the backcountry of a Mac forum?

It would be so easy to choose to support their chosen Korean manufacturer on one of the big technology blogs' comments section, or even on one of the main Android forums where they can be amongst others with the same sympathies. But I suppose it's like back in the days of the missionaries travelling to darkest Africa - - somebody has to get the word out to the heathens about the one true corporation. Samsung be praised!


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Edit: Check out who responded to this post below. ;)
 
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This is the part that can't be fully agreed on though. You refer to it as a user based error which it is for the majority, but you don't agree the design could be better, or you would have referred to that part in equal measure.

I've done so several times in this thread, but in the end, I'm not going to blame a company for not entirely fool-proofing a design when in fact the issue is truly a user problem. No different than milk jugs are now plastic but they still burst when dropped at the grocery store. Better than glass but not fool-proof. People still have to exercise some level of accountability. In both cases....pay attention.
 

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I've done so several times in this thread, but in the end, I'm not going to blame a company for not entirely fool-proofing a design when in fact the issue is truly a user problem. No different than milk jugs are now plastic but they still burst when dropped at the grocery store. Better than glass but not fool-proof. People still have to exercise some level of accountability. In both cases....pay attention.
Well I think you are wrong and respectfully disagree.

In the words of Duncan Bannatyne though, 'I'm oot' :)
 
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I wonder what it's like for Samsung supporters to be working out here in the backcountry of a Mac forum?

It would be so easy to choose to support their chosen Korean manufacturer on one of the big technology blogs' comments section, or even on one of the main Android forums where they can be amongst others with the same sympathies. But I suppose it's like back in the days of the missionaries travelling to darkest Africa - - somebody has to get the word out to the heathens about the one true corporation. Samsung be praised!

I think it's funny to assume anyone discussing the matter is automatically a Samsung Supporter. For me the manufacturer has zero to do with my reasoning. No F's given to who makes it.
 
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While we are on the subject of bad design. Has anyone seen the new iPad Pro 12.9 inch tablet with an optional Apple Pencil?

Have you seen how Apple has designed the Pencil be charged?
They advise people to plug it into the charging port on the iPad Pro. So now you have an 6 inch pencil sticking out of you 12 inch tablet. Its going to get broken off in there!

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Pencil is definitely a design flaw since people will be snapping it or breaking the iPad Pro lightning port. Also, it's going to be mistaken for a tampon. But at $99 a pop it's profit$ for Apple.
 

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If you put the poop back in and develop health problems is it your body's fault or your fault?
Pencil is definitely a design flaw since people will be snapping it or breaking the iPad Pro lightning port. Also, it's going to be mistaken for a tampon. But at $99 a pop it's profit$ for Apple.
I dread to think how you test the new devices you buy!

I suppose in Apples defence the lightning connector is only on one end so there is no danger of putting it in backwards. I have no advice for what you might want to do with it though.
 
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Since there's no silo for it expect to see a $50 Apple pocket protector accessory but don't look down as you might poke your eye out with how long it is. Can you say design flaws? In comparison, Note 5 is much much smaller even more so than iPhone 6 Plus and yet it has a pen silo.
 
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