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Samsung Galaxy Note 5 Design Flaw
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Nobody here is claiming users are not responsible for their actions, only that Samsung clearly had it within their means to prevent the behavior and didn't. If in your scenario it was incredibly easy for the car manufacturer to implement a system that could recognize the stop sign and not allow you to go through it without stopping, and they choose to omit it or ignore it, then yes, they could be accused of a poor design.
Yes, the behavior is user error. Let Samsung actively accuse their customer's of being morons and see how well they do with their mobile sales going forward. It was a poor design decision on their part that could come back to bite them where it counts.
And everyone comparing this to open flames, brake pedals, light bulbs, engines, etc are the same?? You guys are really confusing.
No matter how shortsighted the implementation, if you don't use it as intended, it is your fault. User error. That is what everyone is saying, right?
I was thinking the same thing. I think it's only the engineers among us that recognise design can be improved for the better through constructive critique. If Samsung put a prototype unit in a room with some of these guys, it would come back covered in drool and be pushed to market without being properly tested.
The difference between this and bendgate is that with bendgate you had people who DID NOT put their phones in their back pockets find it bent, people didn't have to do much for it to bend. It was a design flawBut it's not too dissimilar to bendgate in the way that bending your phone is also user error. I've never bent mine. The phone isn't designed to be bent but if you put it in your back pocket (which is stupid) and sit on it, it may well bend. Then again accidents happen and manufacturers react accordingly. More people didn't bend their phones than did, yet Apple changed the design, why? They didn't have to. If Samsung issue a fix for this, what will we call that?
Unfortunately for some this has nothing to do with discussing design and oversights but more to do with judging the opinions of others based on what phone they own. If you own an iPhone (like me), then your are frowned upon by the Samsung protection brigade for offering an opinion on this. It'll be very interesting when the next iPhone is out what some here will say about it. I have a feeling hypocrisy and contradiction is going to be pretty obvious.
With the Note 5 you have to forcefully put the pen in backwards.
Not the same or anywhere near being similar.
BTW, do we have anyone here, or at XDA, AndroidCentral, AndroidForums, or HoFo who put their Pen in backwards by mistake and broke their Note5?
They have the technology to prevent collisions in cars right now. Subaru as an auto braking feature to prevent collisions. It is technology that will send a signal out and brake the car for you. There is software law enforcement agencies use to can scan parked cars and find expired plates. It is EXTREMELY accurate. They could have this technology in cars to have them stop at stop signs by reading the sign.
The technology is here....they have cars that drive themselves right now.
How do you know people didn't put it in their back pockets? Because they said they didn't on a forum? I agree it was a weak point in the design and Apple reacted. They didn't have to though because not many units bent. I didn't bend mine. A design flaw yes though.
To be honest I don't need to be convinced of this. I know it's a design flaw in both cases.
Poor correlation. A better one would be if the auto manufacturer designed-out the lock-out that prevents you from shifting from Drive to Reverse when in motion. And moved them right next to each other rather than separated by Neutral. Now, if you accidentally bump the shift stalk, it drops your transmission on the road. User Error!
I'm on MS Exchange and the co. has my iPad set to wipe after so many incorrect PIN entries. So if my 9yr old tries to get in repeatably and wipes my iPad who is to blame? Apple, my company, me, my daughter?
You can still downshift an auto tranny too far in inclement weather and spin into a 360, especially if you're in a RWD or Biased vehicle. Design flaw or user error when it happens?
BTW if you actually put your vehicle in reverse while rolling down the road, all you would hear would be a horrible buzzing sound as the teeth of the gears break off / wear down, no drive train components will actually engage while the vehicle is moving. They only do so from F to R while stopped. Same thing if you actually throw the car in park. Only there you'll shear off the parking pin too. Nothing will fall off the car and your car won't spin violently out of control.
Ironically there's a lawsuit out right now against a number of manufacturers using keyless/pushbutton start because people are exiting their vehicles, forgetting to shut them off and leaving them run in their garage. Really? People are dumb and the world gets mad when manufacturers can't fix stupid.
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This is why I like my examples of inserting in batteries, or ink cartridges, etc. Those are more apt examples, but everyone is ignoring them.
Let me give you all an even better one: SIM card trays. Please read:
They are part of the main device, but can detach to serve a purpose. And they can only be re-inserted back in one way. It can sometimes be confusing to tell which way is which. If someone inserts it in the wrong way, it can get stuck (this is true of at least the Nexus 5. Look it up. The sim tray gets jammed if you put it in flipped the wrong way).
Who's fault is this? The design's fault who could have prevented the sim tray from being latched when inserting it the wrong way, or is it the user's fault? Is this user error, or should Google/LG be blamed for a "design flaw"?
Let me give you all an even better one: SIM card trays. Please read:
They are part of the main device, but can detach to serve a purpose. And they can only be re-inserted back in one way. It can sometimes be confusing to tell which way is which. If someone inserts it in the wrong way, it can get stuck (this is true of at least the Nexus 5. Look it up. The sim tray gets jammed if you put it in flipped the wrong way).
Who's fault is this? The design's fault who could have prevented the sim tray from being latched when inserting it the wrong way, or is it the user's fault? Is this user error, or should Google/LG be blamed for a "design flaw"?
There is a big difference between the front and the back of the pen, if you are putting it in backward you will know, and if you continue to put it in you are then doing it on purpose.
A mixture of both I would say. It's an annoyance of mine every time I get a phone that it's not labeled in the metal which side down the chip is supposed to go. I jammed one in my iPhone 5 once. My fault but the design could be improved. Good example I wish I had considered that one. Thumbs up.
I know because I have a ex colleague who was living with a slightly bent 6 Plus. He always puts phones in his normal side pocket, none bent until he got the 6 Plus.
Thanks for simply assuming I read it in a forum.
Exactly. The moment this became about "blunt side" vs "pointy side," the argument was (or should have been) done.
Anything else beyond your own carelessness or handing it to a child or using it in the dark... all that describes precisely user error.
The S Pen was designed to be inserted one way, and one way only. Follow directions. Otherwise, you're simply not ready for the responsibilities of owning a device with a stylus. Like I said before, if this is the one "gate" the Note 5 has, I'll take it. It's so easily preventable.
Now without pushing a button you can't, and on anything built recently, software will prevent the car from actually shifting even if you try to put it in the wrong gear at the wrong time.
Again, the point is, what downside would there be to Samsung having made this preventable? There is none so far as I can see, it just looks like plain oversight.
Please don't miss this post: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/samsung-galaxy-note-5-design-flaw.1910318/page-7#post-21751935
Could this have been preventable? Well, sure, I suppose. Who knows why that latch is there. Samsung has yet to release a statement about why that latch exist. Maybe it exists to prevent the S Pen from dropping out when one inserts it in correctly. Do we know why that latch is there? I don't think Samsung decided to randomly add a latch just for giggles.
But anyway, please read my example about SIM card trays in the above link.
I know one end has a POINT at the end of it one end is flat. You could even do it without looking at it in complete darkness.
Seriously. Blunt end vs pointy end.
You even pull it out blunt end first! You have to physically touch and click the blunt end to pull it out. So you should be fully aware which way the blunt end is facing. Why would you put it in any other way than the way it came out? This has user error written ALL over it (be it ignorance or carelessness or whatever; doesn't matter).
And everyone comparing this to open flames, brake pedals, light bulbs, engines, etc are the same?? You guys are really confusing.
Please let me know your thoughts: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/samsung-galaxy-note-5-design-flaw.1910318/page-7#post-21751935
Exactly.
Today is the 1st day I have ever tried putting my Note 4's S Pen in backwards, and that was on purpose, otherwise even when using it in bed in the dark, I know the difference between the back and the front.
BTW, I just tried again to put my Note 4 S Pen in backward, and before I could go very far the phone vibrated twice and made the detachment sound before I went further, as if to tell me its wrong. Very interesting.
You would have to purposely put this thing in backward.
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