Samsung Galaxy Note 5 Design Flaw

[Sevanw]

Oh man, how is this thread even still going?

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well if this thread has taught us one thing it's that every single one of us is right. I know I am.

One thing has struck me though. We have a few here who claim to own a Note 5 yet not once was a simple demo or photo offered in its defence to this flaw. We are all idiots after all

 

[Surf Donkey]

Sarcasm. Poking back a bit.



more poking.

Directed trolling at me you mean? I am not even an iphone guy? What is the point here?

 

[Surf Donkey]

This is why I like my examples of inserting in batteries, or ink cartridges, etc. Those are more apt examples, but everyone is ignoring them.

Let me give you all an even better one: SIM card trays. Please read:

They are part of the main device, but can detach to serve a purpose. And they can only be re-inserted back in one way. It can sometimes be confusing to tell which way is which. If someone inserts it in the wrong way, it can get stuck (this is true of at least the Nexus 5. Look it up. The sim tray gets jammed if you put it in flipped the wrong way).

Who's fault is this? The design's fault who could have prevented the sim tray from being latched when inserting it the wrong way, or is it the user's fault? Is this user error, or should Google/LG be blamed for a "design flaw"?

Poor design. And there are one minute fixes. Without breaking your phone functionality.

 

[pdqgp]

Again, the point is, what downside would there be to Samsung having made this preventable? There is none so far as I can see, it just looks like plain oversight.

likely costs or simply by choice. in the end I don't honestly think it was an oversight. They like me and just about everyone else probably assumed that users wouldn't push on the pointed tip and continue doing so before they realized....OOOPS! It's in backwards!

I can stick a #2 pencil into my power sharpener by accident and get it jammed up too but guess what......I actually need to pay attention when using it. Besides, who would have thought I'd sharpen the eraser! Damn them...such a design flaw!! Off to post a YouTube Video.

Same thing with my desktop scanner....if I put a paperclip through it by accident, I could potentially ruin the imaging guide with a nice scratch/gouge.

Common sense comes into play here folks.

 

[epicrayban]

Poor design. And there are one minute fixes. Without breaking your phone functionality.

So every device has poorly designed SIM card trays... I never knew. So is this true of all things that insert only one way?

 

[Surf Donkey]

So every device has poorly designed SIM card trays... I never knew. So is this true of all things that insert only one way?

Well it could be designed BETTER yes. But again, not an issue, since it doesn't break the phone.

EDIT: And SIM trays are used what? Once or twice by the normal user. Probably not too much effort went into the engineering of it. The spen is THE FEATURE OF THE PHONE.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

So every device has poorly designed SIM card trays... I never knew. So is this true of all things that insert only one way?

It's certainly something manufacturers overlook as unimportant, probably because it's a component that isn't seen. I thought you did know, hence why you used it as an example?

 

[epicrayban]

Well it could be designed BETTER yes. But again, not an issue, since it doesn't break the phone.

The consequences of the Note 5 S Pen being inserted incorrectly is a shame, but that doesn't change the fact that it's user error that's causing the issue. You can only break your Note 5 via the S Pen by putting it in the wrong way.

Just like you can only get your sim card tray to get stuck by putting it in the wrong way. Just like you can only get ink cartridges stuck by putting in incorrectly (which renders the printer un-usable, too).

Samsung designed the S-Pen to go in one way; the correct way. If you put it in any other way; aka the wrong way, how does that mean it's a design flaw? It was designed to only go in one way, just like the sim card or ink cartridges or how ever many other various examples we can find of things attaching in only one way.

The S-Pen doesn't have to be an issue either. Put it in the correct way.

EDIT: And SIM trays are used what? Once or twice by the normal user. Probably not too much effort went into the engineering of it. The spen is THE FEATURE OF THE PHONE.

It doesn't matter how many times it's used. You're supposed to put something back the correct way whether it's once or twice or 80 times. How often do you install ink cartridges? Only when you run out of ink. Whenever that happens, and you're installing ink cartridges, you're still supposed to install it the right way. How many times do you pump gas? Once a week? Once every two weeks? Doesn't matter; you're supposed to close your gas tank the same way each time; the correct way. How often do use your keys to unlock your house door? Numerous times a day? At least once a day. Doesn't matter; you're supposed to insert the key the correct way.

None of this relates to design flaws.

 

[epicrayban]

It's certainly something manufacturers overlook as unimportant, probably because it's a component that isn't seen. I thought you did know, hence why you used it as an example?

Is it a design flaw though? Isn't that what we're talking about? Design flaws?

The SIM tray was designed to go in one way. As was the S Pen.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Is it a design flaw though? Isn't that what we're talking about? Design flaws?

It's a design oversight IMO just like a designer not considering the accidental inserting of the stylus the wrong way round. As I said very early on, it's not a big deal, but an oversight. The big deal has come in the form of this thread. It has become rather boring now though and I'm probably going to quit while ahead.

 

[epicrayban]

It's a design oversight IMO just like a designer not considering the accidental inserting of the stylus the wrong way round. As I said very early on, it's not a big deal, but an oversight. The big deal has come in the form of this thread. It has become rather boring now though and I'm probably going to quit while ahead.

Oversight? Maybe. Like I said, we don't know why that extra latch is there. Is it there to prevent the S-Pen from sliding out when it's inserted in the correct way? I don't know.

But it's not a design flaw. It was designed to go in one way.

 

[epicrayban]

Listen:

The only way you can break your Note 5 with the S-Pen is if you put it in the wrong way.

That ought to be the end of the conversation. For some reason, it's not.

 

[tbayrgs]

Exactly.

Today is the 1st day I have ever tried putting my Note 4's S Pen in backwards, and that was on purpose, otherwise even when using it in bed in the dark, I know the difference between the back and the front.

BTW, I just tried again to put my Note 4 S Pen in backward, and before I could go very far the phone vibrated twice and made the detachment sound before I went further, as if to tell me its wrong. Very interesting.

You would have to purposely put this thing in backward.

That's EXACTLY the point that we've been making for the past 175+ posts...Samsung included either a software and/or hardware mechanism on previous versions of the Note to prevent this user error. Why not include it on the Note 5?

For the umpteenth time, nobody here is claiming this isn't user error. But is it a good design? I'm not sure how anyone here can believe it is. Samsung created this drama all by themselves---was completely in their own control to prevent it.

 

[Tsepz]

That's EXACTLY the point that we've been making for the past 175+ posts...Samsung included either a software and/or hardware mechanism on previous versions of the Note to prevent this user error. Why not include it on the Note 5?

For the umpteenth time, nobody here is claiming this isn't user error. But is it a good design? I'm not sure how anyone here can believe it is. Samsung created this drama all by themselves---was completely in their own control to prevent it.

Yes, it's a good design, it does what it is supposed to, hold the S Pen and does not fail at it even if put in the wrong way, it holds it.

Is it idiot proof? No. Like loads of other things. E.g. most phones are not waterproof and do not claim to be, but if you drop it in water it is not the manufacturers fault, same with the S Pen, you put it in the opposite way it can break, its not the manufacturers fault.

 

[gotluck]

Yes, it's a good design, it does what it is supposed to, hold the S Pen and does not fail at it even if put in the wrong way, it holds it.

Is it idiot proof? No. Like loads of other things. E.g. most phones are not waterproof and do not claim to be, but if you drop it in water it is not the manufacturers fault, same with the S Pen, you put it in the opposite way it can break, its not the manufacturers fault.

I really hope you arent saying that you enjoy the ability to break functionality by inserting the pen the wrong way in the note 5, that was not possible prior.

 

[Tsepz]

I really hope you arent saying that you enjoy the ability to break functionality by inserting the pen the wrong way in the note 5, that was not possible prior.

Please be logical. Why would anyone say that? Where in the world did you even come up with that

Please, do not bother to respond if you are going to so desperately try clutch at straws.

 

[tbayrgs]

Yes, it's a good design, it does what it is supposed to, hold the S Pen and does not fail at it even if put in the wrong way, it holds it.

Is it idiot proof? No. Like loads of other things. E.g. most phones are not waterproof and do not claim to be, but if you drop it in water it is not the manufacturers fault, same with the S Pen, you put it in the opposite way it can break, its not the manufacturers fault.

But they could have made it idiot proof. Nobody would be having this discussion if they had.

 

[epicrayban]

That's EXACTLY the point that we've been making for the past 175+ posts...Samsung included either a software and/or hardware mechanism on previous versions of the Note to prevent this user error. Why not include it on the Note 5?

For the umpteenth time, nobody here is claiming this isn't user error. But is it a good design? I'm not sure how anyone here can believe it is. Samsung created this drama all by themselves---was completely in their own control to prevent it.

The Galaxy S5 had waterproofing. Samsung took it away in the redesign for the S6. If someone who owns the S6 drops their phone in the water and is damaged, is this Samsung's fault for not including this feature anymore to prevent user error? Or is it the uninformed/carelessness of the S6 user? Are we going to say, "Samsung could have prevented this by keeping this same feature..." ? I don't think that's fair to Samsung, and most importantly to the topic here, it can't be called a design flaw. Like I said, then many things could be called a design flaw. So many things are supposed to only go in one way.

Is it good design? The Note 5 was completely redesigned. A lot of changes were made, and probably one that included the inability to prevent the S Pen from going in backwards and getting stuck. Don't forget the S-Pen itself was redesigned too. Whether that constitutes good design or not, I don't know, but it isn't a flaw which is what is being discussed. It was designed to go in one way -- doing that is not a flaw.

 

[gotluck]

Please be logical. Why would anyone say that? Where in the world did you even come up with that

Please, do not bother to respond if you are going to so desperately try clutch at straws.

I thought this sentence:
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Yes, it's a good design, it does what it is supposed to, hold the S Pen and does not fail at it even if put in the wrong way, it holds it.
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could be referring to the note 5, but it seems you meant the note 4. I'm glad I misunderstood

After this thread I have no idea what to expect what people think

 

[tbayrgs]

Please be logical. Why would anyone say that? Where in the world did you even come up with that

Please, do not bother to respond if you are going to so desperately try clutch at straws.

You asking him to use logic is hysterical---coming from the poster who believes what is logically the inferior design is actually best.

 

[Tsepz]

I thought this sentence:
___
Yes, it's a good design, it does what it is supposed to, hold the S Pen and does not fail at it even if put in the wrong way, it holds it.
___
could be referring to the note 5, but it seems you meant the note 4. I'm glad I misunderstood

After this thread I have no idea what to expect what people think

I meant the Note 5...

 

[gotluck]

I meant the Note 5...

LOL my mind is blown

 

[tbayrgs]

The Galaxy S5 had waterproofing. Samsung took it away in the redesign for the S6. If someone who owns the S6 drops their phone in the water and is damaged, is this Samsung's fault for not including this feature anymore to prevent user error? Or is it the uninformed/carelessness of the S6 user? Are we going to say, "Samsung could have prevented this by keeping this same feature..." ? I don't think that's fair to Samsung, and most importantly to the topic here, it can't be called a design flaw. Like I said, then many things could be called a design flaw. So many things are supposed to only go in one way.

Is it good design? The Note 5 was completely redesigned. A lot of changes were made, and probably one that included the inability to prevent the S Pen from going in backwards and getting stuck. Don't forget the S-Pen itself was redesigned too. Whether that constitutes good design or not, I don't know, but it isn't a flaw which is what is being discussed. It was designed to go in one way -- doing that is not a flaw.

But here's where you're simply incorrect. If it was designed to only go in one way, a user couldn't put it in backwards. They can, with no resistance whatsoever. It's intended to be inserted in one direction but not designed to only be inserted in one way. That's why it's a poor design.

 

[Tsepz]

But they could have made it idiot proof. Nobody would be having this discussion if they had.

True, in the same way every day things could be idiot proof e.g. every phone being waterproof to prevent water damage.

We should make an entire thread of how loads of things could be made idiot proof.